Show CALLING CALLIN G OF GRAND GRAND' JURY IS DEBATED District Attorney E. E 0 O Leatherwoo Leatherwood Leatherwood Leath Leath- erwood Tells City Commissioners Commissioners Commissioners Commis Commis- Hearing Charges Against Police What Sort p. p of Evidence Is Required HEARD NOTHING YET VET TO I WARRANT SUCH ACTION r i Former City Detectives on onI I Stand t d Indulge Ind ge in in or OT personal Regard for One Another Withhold Facts for Possible Grand JuryWOMAN Jury JuryWOMAN I WOMAN WOMA J ACCUSES OFFICERS I ii FOR OR R a few minutes yesterday aft aff- L it looked if the time as fiS city commission was going goin to postpone the investigation into the police 11 ment an until it was as determined whether E. E 0 O. district attorney would recommend to the five judges of the tire district court that thata a nr h ho n t ar A in tn n rn rain neit-rain j oJ 5 v u uthe the charges which have ha been rumored throughout Salt Lake accor according ing to the testimony of witnesses for the past three years Commissioner Heber He He- ber her M. M r. r Wells closely questioned Mr 1 Leatherwood as to the requirements for allin of a grand jury jury and Mr Ir Lc Leatherwood therwood stated that i jl it tho commission or any responsible citiZen citizen citi citi- i zen laid before him facts which show a condition to exist that demands the tire attention on of an on inquisitorial body he hc will wiIl make recommendations to the district judges asking that a grand jury be Tho The testimony of Mrs tIn H. H M. M Burton 3 AV W. p. Second South who claimed that she he was being persecuted u d b by Patrolmen Patrol- Patrol men Aien S. S N. N Glenn and V W. S. S rown In their earch for tor contraband ng In imi a restaurant which sh she sho conducts and the statements made on toe st stand nd b by C. C C. C Carstensen and corge eorge iS- iS E. E Cleveland former elt city de detectives do- do t that tIme thc they had been told by bp bookmakers els el's and race track touts that and Leichter had taken graft for or protecting bookmaking and toutIn toutIn toutin tout- tout In were features feature of or the hearing Jh iii Cleveland cland and Mr Carstensen both bohr refused to give she the tho names of their Informants to the city commission and Mr oh Cleveland intimated that the testimony tes teS- timon of ot Mr tr Ir Zee o and ancl Mr Ir L Leichter In Jhc th the Willard Hanson disbarment nt hearing several e ra days days ago would bo be matter for or action Mr r. r Cleveland refused to answer I questions propounded as to whether or not he and anti Bert had not gone to the tIle home homes of or and Leichter and arid taken away certain furniture which had been taken b by them In the arrest of ot a Chinaman He lIe said that the matter matter mat moat ter had hind been satisfactorily explained to Chief Chic o of Police Grant and that ho had nothing further to do clo with It Tile The propounding of tho the question Do you ou know of oC any officer who has lias mas committed a felony created a sensation sensa tion In Iii the commission room and there thero Continued on Page Pase 3 i ALLING OF GRAND JURY IS DEBATED AT POLICE HEARING I ATTORNEY SAYS FACTS REQUIRED I as s Not No as s Yet Heard Evidence t f Sufficient to Warrant f iI Such Suc Action I J t I Continued from Pa Page e 1 1 I as as a shuffling of or feet teet among the and thc the witnesses who I o ht to get et near enough h to hear Mr Ir testimony It was then he made i his reference to the Hanson case ana nl rl ted stated it was a matter ot of common ge On the tn othi oth other r hand Herbert Leichter I I ook tile lIe stand tand before the thc commission I i Cleveland had finished Dur- Dur i ner let Mr Ir 4 1 1 his testimony y he made constant n JT to convicts ex testifying I. I I and asserted that he had I Against g mc me 2 1 heard lots o of rumors while on the if force that Carstensen and Cleveland t r had taken graft but that he did not believe the rumors Hugh Glenn was wasL waston L ton on the stand again yesterday esterday esterd as was 1 James Mathews who wrote a a. letter to the Telegram I stating that he had been I j. j forced to resign from the tho police pollee deI deI de- de I because he he did his L duty and nd that some rooming Keepers were protected because the they belonged LJ to o the same lodge as Chief Grant He lie Hefe liei fe i refused to an answer the question Did If l f vOU ou ou write this letter hoping that the the Would be he able to dig upi up j i but the commission took I the thc stand that he had to answer it t thereupon he lie answered it L District Attorney Horne The examination of oC Mr Ill nood was as more In the form of or a statement hy iby by the district attorney than an exI ex- ex I b by question and answer Mr 11 Leatherwood sal said l Mr Dinin- Dinin l n ny I 1 have ha been informed that you ou know where two opium Joints exist Inthe in tho the city ciU What have ha you ou to say 1 f Where did lid you ou get that Information tion I 1 refuse to answer Joshed Mr Ill Dininny i On the ground round that you ou might In Incriminate Incriminate Incriminate In- In criminate yourself queried Mr Leath- Leath T erwood I have no such Information It is not my dut duty to look hook for opium t Joints or an any other kind lind of Joints Alt All AllI I do 10 is to prosecute the cases which arc are originated by hy the officers and the county attorney 1 There has been some evidence e hero here concerning the failure to prosecute ap- ap f peals The district attorneys attorney's office has haa hast t been criticized by some of ot the witnesses witnesses wit wit- Jf nesses who have o testified Two of or the famous cases which they the have ha referred p to have o benc henc the Lou re Louvre case and the tho Maxim case I was satisfied that no conviction could be he had in those cases because the complaints were dra drawn dran n I wrong anu ana nero mere was as no evidence C to 10 support the allegations made Two I I Juries sat at in those cases and after wo we had presented all the facts said the themen themen themen men were not guilty guilt There There- was as evidence evidence evi l dence to convict the ups higher-ups of oC the cafes but no complaint wa was e ever er r lodged against them When hen these two 2 cases were dismissed it was done without without without with with- out m my knowledge I 1 Instructed Mr Farnsworth to drop the deadwood from the calendar and these two cases were dropped Some people raised a and the cases were reinstated the result the defendants wore were found foun not guilty One or two people have e busied themselves them them- selves In making statements to the tho impress press and forget there is such a thing thing- as as evidence e I 1 want to brand the statement as false that the officers have been hampered hampered hampered ham- ham In fn their work worl b by the district at attorneys attorney's attorneys at- at torney's tornes office r Pull all to Get ct To Together I at-I Another thing I want to refer to find ml that is 15 the Austee Anstee opium case Grant was quoted in the Telegram Tele- Tele gram grain as saying certain things concerning con con- that case I took the tho trouble to go o to his office arid and ask him if It he lie made mado the statements which appeared in In 11 the Telegram He lie said he had not f f and that no one representing the Telegram Telegram Tele Tele- I gram bram had called cane on him that da day I I invited him to go o to the Telegram of office ot- ot flee fice with me and someone called his hla attention to some work on his desk destt I y I weilt went t to the Telegram office oIce and law aw I Eol IA A A. A VantIe I asked him concerning concerning- th the Interview ind md ho he salt said the chief had given it to him over the telephone I then asked him to accomPany accompany pany me inc to the police station and make th the stat statement ment in front of oC the chief but he said he ho was too busy US with other matters and ho he would not go Milt have Fact I 1 have heard and read a lot during luring this Investigation atlon concerning the calling call call- In ing of or a a. grand jury jur If Ie an any reputable citizen or this commission desires a grand Jury investigation In all I ask is 13 I that they la lay the facts before me and andI I will request a grand Jury jur if It the evi deuce dence warrants I will ask the district district dis dis- Judges but I will Insist and the Ju Judges will Insist th that t those persons who want the Investigation In must bring bring- evidence and not hearsay or rumor Wo Yo want facts and If fl wo we do not get g-ct facts there will silI bo be no no grand Jury recommended men mended d ed I 11 1 have ht heard ard these rumors and the these o charges I have ha gone to man many I of these IH people ople and asked them what I they know knew rhe They knew nothing I Iwas IWas Iwas was was informed that Bernstein knew enough to call a grand jury Juno I went to a friend ot 01 his and found th t he ho wo would refuse to 10 tell teU what hat ho he knows knos Samuel Dowse came to me and said suld saida a gambling man had bought a large tract of or property from froin the tue firm for which ho works He lie Curt further her said that the police wore were taking mone money for protecting protecting pro pro- this gambling mans man's Interests I asked him the tim name of ot the man and he refused to give he It to meAs me As far tur na as R I have ha jurl Jurisdiction I am willing to go as far tar as I am able I 1 ha had occasion to criticise I and Leichter at the recent investigation I tion in the Hanson disbarment hear hear- I In ing I told after he had given his testimony on th the stand that the l 4 Vi h n rl V. V il him I m hi Vila 11 a rl I J m I n 1 I t from th the i force c and d pot not pi pip p permit t him to I I resign I T further told te that I would tell an any jur Jury before belore which he ho appeared that I 1 would not ask for a conviction on his uncorroborated m mon mony o ii Mr Leatherwood Leather you ou have havo heard rd the testimony n nf of a 0 number of oC th the the- witnesses witnesses witnesses wit wit- nesses here and arid you ou have ha read the tho testimony In tho n newspapers w tapers said Commissioner eUs Do you ou think that there has been sufficient evidence brought out here to warrant the tue callIng callIng callIng call- call Ing of a grand jur jury to Wan nut ItI ItI It I i do So not r recall an any rny nr testimony re rep reported ro- ro I p ported b by tho the newspapers nor has any witness whom I have havo heard given gl such a a. statement of oC facts as all would warrant the calling of oC a l grand Irand Jury Jun Inthis in inthis inthis this Investigation Rumors Humors aro arc not facts 1 If IC there is an any one ono who has facts I would be pleaded to have havo them thorn Do you OU think there is an any further use tise of or this commission sitting here or ordo ordo ordo do you ou think we should petition the judges for tor a grand rand jur jury A grand jur Jury might get et more evi l dence deuce If IC you believe O that an any of oC tho the evidence given here Is of or sufficient strength to warrant the calling of or a grand JUl Jury with the names dates and places I would be glad to consider it What hat I 1 want l Is who can put me in touch with persons who have ha di direct direct direct di- di evidence of or their own knowledge Do you ou think you ou could attend hearings an and decide lot tor us I am bus busy in criminal court at this time but If IC I can get Mr Farnsworth through a case tomorrow I will send him here hero to listen to the testimony I have criticised officers Individually for the I in which vl t they the l I havo manner Ip If i I collected cu evidence C a I tILL cuni L mat oL and Leichter were on the border borderline borderline line Une of ot a prosecution for perjury perJur and andI I will give gl that consideration when the time comes come Air Mr Glenn has testified that a real estate combine exists in the tho city where whereby b there is a combination to permit permit per per- mit the carrying on of ot vice IB Is that sufficient grounds brounds for tor tho the calling oCa of oC ofa a a. grand jury jur I I I think that Is a worthy subject of ot investigation In if it the facts are aro given gl Mr Dininny then called upon Hugh I. I L. L Glenn to take the witness stand Glenn Promise Information Mr Ir Glenn you havo have testified that you ou have evidence which will prove provo that a r real al estate combine exists for tor forthe forthe the purpose of oC maintaining vice and you ou havo have further stated that you have ha havethe havethe the names of employees of oC the city who know facts on which a grand jur jury would return an indictment against certain members of tho the com corn mission Now will you ou give ghe th these facts and names to Mr lr Leatherwood I will furnish him with all the In Information Information In- In formation I have ha I believe belle the men will testify to what I have havo said and to what they told me mc said lr Morris wo woI I Mr 11 Glenn Mr ask you ou as os a commission that you ou do dot t thin h IR Mr Ill Glenn and Mr Leatherwood left let the building together but will not meet on the matter until later In the tho week I Jo IJ P. P a bartender at tho Chesapeake cafe and formerly employed at the bar was called as a witness Never r Said It Il Mr said Mr DIr did you ou ever er tell C l Evans ivans vans of oC the Pembroke Pembroke Pem Pem- broke company compan that you ou saw an and LeIchter Lechter dividing spoils with criminals over the end of oC the tho bar I r certainly did lil not Anyone 4 An one who says ea's api I did I is a liar Do DC you ou know of or any re reflection on the police department Nothing except what whal I have hae read In the tho newspapers C. C Evans of tho the Pembroke company compan Was then call called Did Mr Hollenbock Hollenbeck ever tell teU you OU that ho he so saw and dividing monc money and J property with criminals over the of oC the bar H Hp lif never told me anything of oC that kind I want to say Mr Evans E that the he questions which I asked aske were submit ted to me anonymously In th this s ri mornIngs mornIng's morn morn- i Ings Ing's mall I do not know where re they came from nor who sent them Woman r Persecution Mrs Mis M. M II H II Burton Buron of oC W. W Second South voluntarily app area before the as a witness complaining that two members of tho the police department department depart depart- ment mont had persecuted her She Sho appeared to be bo nervous on the stand and at was Vas on the Ver verge vergo l of oC tears She testified that she was rG earA rold and fwd was born horn and reared In Salt Lake as was her husband husban I I want to tell the elt city commissioners about S S. N. N Glenn and W. W S. S Brown two t policemen who have persecuted mo me un until til I J am nm a nervous wreck said Raid Mrs 1 Burton Burtn I I run a a. little restaurant at W. W Second South with m my husband We V have o t two o sleeping rooms a kitchen and a a. dining room with six tables On On Sunday Sunda 1 May 24 Glenn and Brown came i In and asked for beer heel I told them wo we I Idid did not have hn an any beer but that we ha had This drink Is made only onh In Inthe Inthe inthe the summer Rummer time and la last t summer we laid In fn twenty-one twenty cases I gave ga them the and the they swore out a complaint complaint com corn plaint for tor me and I was arrested We e waited ten days das for tor trial In the ell city court and we brought broucht In the I before ici e J Judge d o no Rogers eis and he dismissed s ls-s-cl the case We were out our time an anthe and the cost of oC an attorney ll Allege Itt n a Threat Half Hal an hour after the case was as dismissed dis dis- missed d the they came Into the tho restaurant and veiled yelled at mo me Yell get got you yet On June 6 a stool pigeon who nho Is working orkin for Cor thorn |