Show ELATES ELA TES INSIDE E TORY OF POLITICS nel Roosevelt Testifies f y Defending Libel Suit Suil rat hat 4 at Murphy Democrats' Democrats id d Barnes Republicans' Republicans Joined Forces It HIS DEALINGS I WITH SENATOR PLATT I cj clares res Proudly He Would now ow No Man to Dictate ITs irs Appointments Throws Appointments Throws light ht on Opposition of oft t I to Governor Hughes I F NIES HOLDING MALICE t I N N. Y V. April Apt 21 Theo Theodore dore Roosevelt spent five fi hours the witness stand in the he supreme today in the telling telling- of what said id he hc believed to be tie the the inside of machine politics and boss rule tew w York state f y i so doing the former President Presidente e ed to convey coney to the jury which is ng the suit William Villiam Barnes ight against him for alleged libel impression that 1 he was entirely In criticizing Mr 1 Barnes as lid did e wore swore that ho had been r reliably ed that the Murphy urphy Democrats the Barnes Republicans tho the lat lat- under tinder the leadership Jea of at Mr Barnes Darnes ed d d on more than one occasion to at atthe t. t the plans pans of or Independent men of or In the State elate legislature Mr Ir Irlea lea ses told William WilHam Loeb Jr the thc wit wit- declared that he had agreement with Charles F. F f ph phy of or Tammany hall hail to allow the thc ther theer er r a free hand to select a United es senator Mr I Loeb was private tary to Colonel Roosevelt when he and Ja later tor was collector h lie he c port of o New York l' l I. I Would r Xo No Dictation 16 e witness told In lit great S detail of oC s leal In us with the late Senator Platt Piatt mait man he hc hall hail described as the S CD easy r ri Platt the colonel asserted l at at- to dictate the man he as asO gov- gov O Ir r of or the State of New C York should tint Iut to be superintendent o of public its ks But said Colonel Roosevelt 1 Ii n n. considerable display of or pride i 1 he told Wr Mr Barnes of oC the tho conation con con- atlon he ho Jed ad-Jed that he lie didn't Intend 1 ma man should say whom ho he should Dint to office Mr Mt Barnes however 4 il d' with Mr Platt saying that theer tho the ir cr er of or the organization should have ve control of or It the witness rj r P Action he lie colonel gave ave what he ho represented 36 Je e the details of his hla conversations con I Mr Barnes and what ho he had been the actions of ot Mr Ir Mrnes Mrnes nes nes in regard to direct primaries station race track legislation on the part of or the Ii n i machine to Governor Hughes He Ira ted too Information form former r Gayer Gover- Sulzer and his Investigator In John gave him re regarding nr corLOn cor- cor LOn In state departments And Andis nJ as Ito ite that he held c malice toward Mr Barnes and ad- ad that he considered he was cham- cham the cause of or good s government l st bipartisan an boss rule when hen hesed hesed he ho hoed sed ed the publication of oC the offending ement Argue With Uh n l. l f Colonel Roosevelt Joose will Ill mit to examination cross-examination at thedE the tho els ds of ot William M. M chief of or the theTies thees thenes Ties nes es counsel who has hRS a reputation ew York legal circles as ns a ape epe- it 1st 1 In that line Une his stay star on tile the stand today f colonel JOnel seemed to be even more iC f Continued on Page Pago 2 q 3 J I L. L ROOSEVELT RELATES INSIDE STORY 1 IS S DIRECT EXAMINATION ases ses Dealings With Sena- Sena Platt PIatt and Tells TeUs of Talks r With th Barnes R H Continued From Page Se 1 ease easo than n ho was 1 yesterday He Hed Hed d d' d with Mr Barnes's Barness attorneys Interrupted him with Ho llo pounded upon tho the I bench with his fist He brought alms of his hands to together ether with Ending slaps instant the expression on his as 1 wag solemn arid and the next It was wasT ii T Ho IIo tried his best to get Into records cords things ho wanted to get getlid nd lid he made suggestions to his Bel d ci as ae to where this letter or that might be bo found Once ho smil- smil nga aged ed in a discussion with Jus- Jus ind presiding In Fresh After Strenuous Day d. d while the opposing la lawyers w ers h themselves engaged In ar arguing points points with 1 Justice Andrews tho the jel el ci patient and amI calm cairn tl toyed ca with gold Iohl stretched o his che chest t drummed with the thc if t f hi his fingers upon the tho bench be- be and looked from Jury Jur box boJ to ers from tram lawyers lawers to spectators from spectators to the presiding Ice e. e When tho arguments were he Invariably would turn to Jus- Jus Andrews smile broadly and after atter him as Judge jude ask her he might proceed en he stepped stopped from tho the stand at fend end nd of oC the da days day's s proceedings he hered hered red to be fresh tresh as he was when in court toda today Given Gln CloAe Attention j Darnes V Barnes paid particular attention is i ls opponent during this session of ot otI I t l. l L' L lIe He listened to to eVer every word the thel ri l i said and occasionally turned to table occupied b by his counsel to toa too o 0 a note upon a pad of paper rat ral times during the day ho loft left seat Beat and walked to tho the other end ho he table to whisper to Mr oIl Ivins oll illy Ily these whispered conferences In the tho attorney Jumping to f ot ct and offering an objection Mr 1011 fought all day to keep the colonel II n m getting setting Into the tho records things for tor the tho plaintiff apparently f cd to keep out With but a few however the court ruled in lanner which permitted the colonel tell the better belter part of ot the stor story ho hoi i trying to relate jg I l Do HONK Bori Rule Rille hen Then the examination of oC Colonel f evelt was resumed this morning Bowers questioned tho the witness 1 ld conversations con with Mr Darn Barnes s arding the gubernatorial election In InI I These took place in Y Washington possibly In Oyster Oster Bay too olond Roosevelt was shown two ers rs tho the of which ho said h had d discussed with Mr Barnes jow ow what were the conversations ed d Mr tIr Bowers r Is I Ivins counsel for Mr Ir Barnes ebed obed ob- ob bed ed to this question but wan over- over d and tho the witness continued Fhe rho conversations con I had were vere In rod ro- ro d d. d to Mr Barn Barnes's Barness s 's domination of the thet t ty Now Judge tho they were contin- contin conversations J 1 talked over a J letI let let- t- t I wrote In 1900 to Senator Platt Piatt I e referred tc tt the domination the party parly by Senator Platt and Mr nes fles I discussed s d tho the righteousness ss rule rulo Laughter b by o Id lid Mr Barnes Barncs that prior to my being beling be- be ling ing governor o Mr 11 Platt Piatt had asked to p come to sec him in New cw York It the time I was Bel selected Uhe he time I assumed office Plait Methods r toM Mr 11 Barnes Darnes that several pers per- per s eat at th conference were taking up question of Mr ir Ivins In- In with an nn objection which was Colonel Roosevelt contin- contin Mr 11 Barnes that that I told Mr tr tt tt rather rather I expressed eel t committees were being appointed MI 11 the speaker er o 0 oC the had been chosen chOHen I also told Mr 11 Barnes Platt Piatt me tue no speaker would chosen hosen until a n. man who was satis- satis l tory ry to the or organization was found replied that Mr Platt was lit ev even n after I said such govern govern- nt lit was bound to lead to rottenness L t told Mr Ir Barnes Senator Platt had ha 1 told mC me he had decided upon a superintendent super sor- of or public works who wa was satisfactory sat sat- and that S Senator Sanater Platt Piatt had congratulated me rue upon getting setting such sueh a good man Mr Ivins objected because no name was being given shen for tor tho the superintendent of ot public worl Well ell said tho the colonel tho the man was Francis hendricks of ot Syracuse I told Mr Ir Barnes I didn't intend an any man should say whom I should l appoint Pound lound Judges Judge's DeachA Rend Deach A An A the colonel said this his Jaw squared and ho pounded upon the Judges Judge's bench hench Ho lIo continued Mr Barnes said In reply that Senator Senator Senator Sena Sena- tor Platt was right and that the leader of an or organization must have complete completo control of oC it It was as in ISO 1905 that I told Mr Barnes m my views of the tho matters worn wern the same as a's the they always alwa's were 1 told Mr Barnes he had m my sympathy but that Governor Hughes must be Independent I 1 referred to m my talks talk and letters to Senator Platt Mr Barnes arne said tho the organization organization organization tion had h to lo bo be dominant and that Governor Gov Go Hughes had tried to break down the or organization and that he would woul op oppose oppose op- op pose pOP Go Governor Hughess Hughes's Upon the tho motion moLlon of ot Mr Ivins that part of Colonel Roosevelt's referring to Mr Hughes was stricken from the record In 1908 did you yit OU discuss legislation at Albany with Mr asked Mr tir Bowers I Yes replied the witness Mr 11 Barnes with me generally on the tho subject of or legislation Ho lie said Governor Governor Gov Gov- Hughes was favoring legislation les against tho the Interests of ot the or organization tion and that the tho Democratic or organization tion wa was backing up tho the Republicans In defeating legislation fostered b by Governor Hughes Mr ir Barnes sail said he and his friends had control of oC tho the part party Ho He didn't SIl say he himself was personally In control con con- He did say that Mr Hughes Hushes could not take the control away from those in whom It was wai Invested Criticized d Go Governor Hughe A letter from Crom Mr 11 Barnes Barns to Mr Ir Roosevelt was offered in evidence It wa was dated from the Albany Journal of office of- of Ice flee and In part read Ever E since he has been heen governor Mr Hughes 1 has endeavored through his speeches and his lila attitude to arouse resentment in ever every locality against themen the themen men who have been doing the tho political work of oC tho the Republican party part Some of those men are arc tho the best and most unselfish unselfish un un- un- un selfish of ot men Some of them are tho the meanest and most selfish sh of or men It was a a. gage of ot battle thrown down which it was my dut duty to resist because if It I am to remain In the leadership leadership leadership lead lead- of this county count that leadership must be satisfactory to the Republican people of or the county I cannot be exploited ex ox- as a a. made machine politician or a a. patronage broker without resistIng resisting resist resist- ing the thA charge to the best of or m my strength I never could subscribe to tho the doctrine doctrine doc doe trine advanced by the tho governor which was this Disagreement with himm him m meant that a n man was a rascal What I am mo most t deeply Interested in I is this subject of or direct nominations which if It ever er adopted by this state will will lead leal to untold evils in public lifA and place therein the thc cheapest kind of citizen citi citi- zen zens s. s Opposed Direct Nomination In Tn the letter Mr tr Barnes said ald The Themen Themen men nien with whom I 1 have been COoperating co cooperating co- co relinquish their operating will m never ne fight against the Principle of ot direct nominations and declared declarer that the so- so called sentiment for tor direct primaries Is purely pro Hughes sentiment and has haa nothing to do with the merits of oC the proposal Defended Bo floss Do Rule The letter continues Direct nominations are an Invitation Invitation invitation tion to party dl discord cord but hut their evil could bo be minimized bv by the holding or ot unofficial primaries and unofficial conventions con con- which would be 11 ably done The idea of or getting rid of or boss bosses S is absurd so long as you have o party part govera gov- gov ov- ov era r men t. t Sr ll 1 sincerely sincere hope and trust that you ou will not become committed In such a awa away away wa way that it will force an Issue at tho the Saratoga convention con on this question We Ye should have a primary plank oCth of oC th the strongest possible kind to protect voters and give them ever every opportunity to express themselves in conventions When hen nominations are arc made the they should be bc final If It the people do not like them thc they can heat beat them at the polls but the members of or a party should have a chance prior to the tho primaries primaries maries manes and conventions to exercise their jU Judgment and to express 5 their will vill Race Unee L Despite the early earh ruling ruling- of the court I Justice Andrews allowed Colonel conversations con with I Roosevelt to tell of or Senators Hinman Davenport New New- combo combe and others about race track and other legislation Some Home of oC these men told lold him that Mr tir Barnes at first had I Ino no opposition to race track legislation but that opposition had developed It was wc at that time I learned that Senator Grattan had expressed his op opposition opposition opposition op- op position of the tho legislation but that he changed chang Inn hiR mind after talking with Mr all Barnes Barncs continued Mr Ir Rosovelt Mr lr Grattan pleaded with Mr ir Barnes to allow him to vote as s ho wanted but butI I 1 was told Mr B Barnes ordered him to vote ote oppositely and ho he was forced to todo todo todo do so 60 Senator Grattan's one ono vote defeated de de- de- de the bill hill Senator Grattan represented rep rep- resented Mr th Barness Barnes's district Colonel Roosevelt elt told toM the stor story of his conversation with Senators Hinman an anDa and Da Davenport Con Conferred With Vitia Senators I was told that on one occasion when tho the question of or direct primaries came caine up In the state senate the Republican Republican lican l leader ader asked ed for an adjournment IJa ro asked tho the Republican senators to go Into a 3 nearby room for a 11 conference The Tho Democratic leader then told the Democratic senators to meet In an adJoining ad- ad Joining room Senator Davenport said he looked In the tho room occupied b by the tho Republicans and saw Mr Ir Barnes there thero therein theron in n conference with the tho senators although although al although al- al though he lie was not a a. member of oC the leg les Later the Democrats and and ami Republicans Re Re- publicans crime came out and went Into tho the senate Renate chamber Fourteen Democrats and ami fourteen Republicans voted for the measure and It went through The measure had been bern opposed by Governor Go Hughes Vere Were all the Republican senators In that room asked Mr On Ou no replied the witness Mr Ir Davenport only saw the Barnes Barne Republican Republican lican senators as he termed them Did Old you OU talk to Senator Davenport about Senator Jotham p P. P Allds J Yes replied the witness All Allds s resigned front from the senate to after he be had been ben charged with accepting bribes Says Sayi 1 Co Mr Newcomb or Mr Davenport said Colonel Roosevelt told me that Senator Allds had been selected for president pro tempore temporo of or the senate by bythe bythe bytho the tho machine Republicans There was opposition a against Allds by Republicans Republicans Re Re- publicans so the machine n Republicans were unable to control a sufficient vote to elect lids Then Senator Newcomb told me the machine Democrats cooperated op co-op- crated with the tho machine Republicans In order to elect Allds And In the thc po position Allds was as elected to by the Tammany Democrats he was the tho official leader of ot the Republican I party In tills uns state I Th spectators Jurors and lawyers roared with laughter when Colonel Roosevelt said Tammany men had helped elect the official Republican loader After order was restored a recess re- re cess was taken At the tho afternoon session of ot court Mr Ir |