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Show I TESTIMONY OF I 1 1 j H I The- Tribune of last Sunday was I H iteJ the first installment o thc tesll- Itr of Joseph P. Smith. president of the Kb of Jesus Clirlst of IUcrMja-V c-hta beforo tho Committee on Privileges e& Elections of tho United States Scn- i In tho matter of tho protest against tL richt of Hon. Reed bmoot, a Senator J tho State of Utah, to hold his seat. Slntcndod that tho remainder of Mr. 'Ltfh's testimony should bo printed in i Sedition of The Tribune, but It would ' $ rj&ne twenty pages of The Tribune, so rh. two issues wilt bo necessary to carry t if Tbe first Installment printed last Sun-'ca' Sun-'ca' concluded as follows: iff Tayler Mr. Smith, havo you road what -Zjzts to bo a copy of your testimony nnd itfer you havo from n. remark you mndo Lrtr la our Inquiry appearing In tho hcar-un hcar-un of tho Commlttco on Territories of tho ; rStfJ Stales Senate In relation to a bill rT'Ve local government of Utah, In ISM? vi" Smith- Yes, lr wr Toyler Or rather, I should say. Quo-ititJJM Quo-ititJJM trom testimony clvcn by you beforo ivfnilth Before n muster In chancery. l Sj' Tnylcr. Before a master In chancery? I 5r Emlth Yes, sir. v Vr Toyler That Is a correct translation of Tr ttrtlmony In that case. Is It? "jr Edith. I Jo not know. 1 havo not ''vr Tayler. You have not seen It? ' vr' Smith. No, Rlr. I presume- It Is, but I ' not fecn It. I could not say that It Is. TIr. Worthlngton May I nsk what printed ryieatlsn that Is? rT Tayer It Is tho roport of tho commlt-1 commlt-1 think It Is what you have. I want fl!atlfy It. Mr Ittchnrdu was hero and Z li to himself, nnd I do not want an '4al difficulties In tho way unlcsa It Is , ' )TXm tbat they should bo mado. v' i j Van Cott. Wo can examine It tonight I tjy ju. Tiefetcnd Installment of tho testimony "fyrffaylcr Tou havo a copy of It, have hypaaot? Mr. Van Cott, Lot me see It. Mr Taylor I did not want to loso It. I His testimony appears In two different ! 'tlrfvorthlngton. It does not appear to tea public document. ',- Mr. Tayler. Oh, yes; It la a public doc- tlnator Foraker. This committee will ftftiVs nolle of It. myhow. W Jlr Tayler- Of course. I want to gather riczc-iher things that are pertinent In this "ltqulry, and not have to refer to other I documents. Mr, Van Cott. What page did you refer la In this' ' Mr Tayler It Is the cross-examination I' ti Joseph F. Smith, at page 79. Mr. Van Cott- And what Is tho other ' VStl it ' Mr Tayler Pages 60 nnd CI. t The Chairman. I understand counsel to ' 'cyihey will examlno that tonight. Wo i r-iftl not wait now. 1 : Mr Tayler. I think that Is all we desire 1 U Inquire of this witness. , i Mr Smith. I do not understand your JcUon In regard to It. Mr. Taylor. il Mr Tayler. I understood you could not rtetlfy It. so I was taking stops to got It I ''Jj -otherwise We will have no troublo 'tout that, I think. Mr Smith I beg your pardon. That Is right. I' 'i Cannon-Enmlin. Affair, fl Tho Chairman. Mr. Smith, I want to ask i question. To go back a little, you were ijfcqalred of In relation to an occasion Uvhen you were In Los Angelc3 and went iloit to an Island I ;t Mr. Smith. Yes, sir. . ;, The Chairman. Wlint I want to Inquire ;;tf you Is whether there was any ccrc-nosy ccrc-nosy of any kind performed by you? I ;5 Mr. Smith No, sir. Thi Chairman None whatever? ; Mr, Smith. None whatever. it The Chairman. Now, ono other question. ; Tou have said that you know of no ln- itinceof plural marriages since 1SS0? . Mr Smith, Yes. '' Tho Chairman. Performod In the Stato J ; cf Utah' i; Mr. "Worthlngton. By tho church, of ! - Mr Smith. Yes. I Etnator Foraker. Or with their ap-j ap-j noval. t Tta Chairman. I so understood you. I Mr. Smith. Yes. sir. P Chtlrman- Will you stato whether Jfjhave performed any plural marriages osyide the State of Utah? I.Mf Smith. No, Blr; I never havo. ; The Chairman. Either In Mexico or Smith. Nowhere on earth, elr. ' Chairman. Do you know of any r ; ;Hf Smith. No. sir; I do not. , ,' e Chairman That Is all. .! " Denies Plural Marriages. , Mr. Smith I wish to say again, Mr. Ltairman, that there havo been no plural triages solemnized by and with the JWMnl or by tho knowledge of the iLi . u of Jesus Christ of Latter-day , MJais by any man, I do not care who ho J,h6 Chairman. I understood that. I i. r "orthlncton. SInco the manifesto? I . J'. Smith. I mqan that, of course. 1 I -?:ffstand ut this Investigation comes . .' B Iter tho manifesto. - ' prni?ur Dub0's- If aposUo of tho I '.'5r;?n had performed such a ceremony SI1,"1". J without tho Jurisdiction of the ; fc.il a p!38 vrould you consider that vS? o l,h th0 authority of :-our church? I ir7 H.ralfl' any uiioatle- or any other claiming authority should do any t SmJ? lns 33 that- ho would not only bo i: I nfcri?1 10 Proaccutlon and heavy fine and ' I'Si vnmtent ln th0 Stato under tho Stato I If fli,i?,ut ho would also bo subjected to I II-' rti,,pu and excommunication from tho i 1-thuJch tho propcr irtbunala of tho l'nl0r,Forftker- Ah for tho oxcommu-'b-vJi?1! from church, that would be rtS. P0" 1,lm "o matter whcUier It I ' r out5fdo'med ln8lde lno UnltKl States jln'-SrolUi. T do not know any different. BnnlraJy 10 tho rus of lno church. tioS ?r foraker. That was tho ques-i ques-i " rcrmM jou-whether or not, If per-r'ten?W.w,lho!It per-r'ten?W.w,lho!It Ul United States, these Mr cs w.ou,d be Imposed. i s.mltli. Well. It would be all the toh" it,! anj complaint was mudo of any "i tear, .M lh!lt an(l Proof had. tho 1 to n.K l would not only bo subject 3 "Vcpli vCcuUon "ndcr the law. but ho f'urch BubJcctcd to discipline lit tho 1 foJi vn(?J f.orer. Tho point I wish to 3 f Wthnruattntlon to 1 tht. if performed I trc "ie United States, ho could not be 1 loftc; orakcr. It would not bo an 1 I llr B?.atn8t tno law-s 01 "Utah? i W-tiStfrK. Foraker. But would tho fi .eiVn'mnfv?ftnc1c3s. lmposo Its penalty 1 1 31? cocmiP"nicutlon? I Wmm,5 11 woultl. Mr. Senator, If 1 jitTorgnnplalnt o tnat lil'id was made nnd ermis3ioa Given. Smoot I Kliven r?3,11,17111"' You Bay permission was SBk rll Senator Smoot. I understand, to lft5?ii?.al0 for thc Senate? 'Jm' ?mJth. yes. IB beea rt i n"an Suppose permission had JBiPOjid,.ca,ed b' llo prosldcnL and tho hlB'lnrfM associates, und he was com-.'fflBiPtntoiii11?1 com-.'fflBiPtntoiii11?1 b a candidate and ho had iW Wn wnTn hQhlG a candidate, what ac- ',ill'cnrt.?,it0; associates would have nlll Tbft rnf ,h,m out of harmony with them. Oil!' Sir rP11"' 0ut of harmony? ;JJ -r-brnUh, Yea; out of harmony. The Cnnlrman. And when they found It was not ln. harmony, then whntV Mr. Smith. I do not know that anv action ac-tion would follow that, except tha't he would not be In good fellowship with lila associates, Tho Chairman. Would ho still continue as an apostle? , Mr. Smith, Unless he committed somo overt act of un-Chrlstlanllke conduct, or rebellion, I may say or at least I use the word rebellion against tho church. Accepted Authorities of Church. Senator Hoar. Mr. Smith, I would. like to ask you if I understand vOu. I understand under-stand that early In the hearing, I think It was said by you, or if not, perhaps by some of tho counsol, that the accepted books containing your rules of faith and practice- wero said to be the Bible, thc Book of Mormon, tho Book of Doctrine nnd Covenants, and tho Pearl of Great 1 rice. Now, lt seems to me each member mem-ber of the committee ought Ho have a copy of each of thos-3 books. If there arc enough of them here to be supplied to the committee by tho parties, on either side. I v.leh they would do lt If not. 1 wish vou would give us thc name of some place whero wo cnu apply for them and have them furnished. Mr. Taylor. I supposed the committee would furnish its own Bibles. Senator Hoar. I supposed tho Mormon Blblo was what you wero speaking of. Mr. Tayler. Oh, no; It Is ' tho King Jnmes transHllon of the Bible. Senator Hoar. I beg your pardon. That Is true. Are theiv any other books which you publish by authority and disseminate, except these four? Mr. Smith. These four books are thc accepted standards of the church; and I would llko to say to tho Senator that I will tako great pleasure myself ln sending send-ing for copies of the Book of Mormon, the Doetrlno and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price, nnd the Blblo also. If tho Senators desire lt, and havo them brought here and distributed to tho corrmilttee. Senator Hoar. Are thero any other books that you send out when you wish to have persons who are Inquiring know as to what you believe and accept, and which you send to them by yojir agents, or otherwise? Number Lesser Works. Mr. Smith. Ye3; wo have a number of lesser works exponent-Senator exponent-Senator Hoar. Do they rank with these? Mr. Smith. Oh. no; they are not reckoned reck-oned as standards or accepted as standard stand-ard works of tho church. Thoy are merely mere-ly accepted as doctrinal works of thc church. Sortator Hoar. If a person should come to Worcester, Mass., where I live, and assemble as-semble an audience, and there was no dir-llculty dir-llculty In tho way, and desired to cnll them to Mornionlsm, these are tho books 'which would bo presented to them jis what constituted Mormonlsm? Mr. Smith. The standard works of Mormonlsm; Mor-monlsm; yes, sir. Senator Hoar. What I wish to know Is this: Is lt or not true, then, that tho persons per-sons who disseminate your faith, dlH.scmi-nnto dlH.scmi-nnto a book as your standard authority, which enjoins polygamy, and that they disseminate no other book with lt which contradicts that or makes any change ln that attitude? Mr. bmiin. t ncy, of course, havo tneso standard works, and they are offered to any one who desires to obtain them. Senator Hoar. Tho standard work-Mr. work-Mr. Smith. The Doctrine and Covenants. Cove-nants. Injunction to Take Plural "Wives. Senator Hoar. Contains an Injunction to take plural wives, does It not, as a divine di-vine authority In the old revelation? Mr. Smith. Yes, sir. Senator Hoar. Then Is It true or not that In commending Mormonlsm to the outer world you send them works which onjoln that as a divine uuthorlty without accompanying It with any work of equal authority which qualifies or chnnges that? Mr. Smith. The pamphlet and prlnclplo enunciated by President Woodruff In relation rela-tion to the estoppel of tho practice of polygamy po-lygamy Is universally circulated and universally uni-versally known as broad and wldo as the Book of Doctrine and Covenants Is. Senator Hoar. That Is what I wanted to know. Mr. Smith. And there Is not, Mr. Senator, Sen-ator, an elder of the Mormon church who gees out as a missionary to the world who either has not that pamphlet with him or Is not thoroughly conversant with lt and Is under strict Injunction to observe Its rule. Mr. Worthlngton. What pamphlet do vou refer to? Mr. Smith. That Is the manifesto. Senator Hoar. I do not know that I have seen that. Will you let u3 havo ono of thoso also iwhen you lot us havo tho others, or now? Mr. Smith. Thero lt Is. You have lt here In theso other papers. Senator Foraker Then, ns a matter of fact. In practice this manifesto Is circulated circu-lated along with tho standard works? Mr. Smith. Exactly. Senator Hear. As 1 understand you, then, Mr. Smith, you will at some llmo convenient to you, furnish each member of tho committee with a copy of tho Book of Mormon, a copy of the Book of Doetrlno Doe-trlno and Covenant.", tho Pearl'of Great Price, and this. Mr. Smith. Also of that; yes, sir. Mr. Van Cott- And Talmagc? Mr. Smith. Yos. Senator Overman. Havo you any work containing tho obligations and duties of tho twolvo apostles and tho first presidency? presi-dency? Mr. Smith. Thero nro revelations ln tho Book of Doetrlno and Covenants which prcccrlbo their duties. Doctrine and Covenants. Senator Potttis. Will you plcaso examine exam-ine tho book now sent down to you nnd let us know Jf that Is ono of tho standard works you speak of? Mr Worthlngton. Will you not read tho caption and tltlo-page, so tho stenogra-nher stenogra-nher can Identify it? Mr Smith. This book is "Tho Doctrine and Covenants of tho Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints, containing tho revelations given to Joseph Smith. Jr.. tho prophet, for tho building up pr the klncdom of God In thc last days; divided -no verses, with references by Orson Pratt. Sr. Snlt Lake City. Dcscret Nows company, prlnlers and publishers. ISSfl. ' This Is all right, sir This Is tho Book of Dnctrlno nnd Covennnls. Senator Petlus. That Is one of tho 3tMrdaSmlth. That Is ono of tho standards stand-ards That Is tho Book of Doctrine and Genator8pettus. And published by authority au-thority of tho church? Mr. Smith. Yos. sir. Heady References. Senator Hoar, I have hero a book, which Is entitled "Ready References; A Ccmnllatlon of Scripture Texts, arranged hi subJectlvo order, with numerous nota-t'ens nota-t'ens from eminent writers, designed cspc-r'"iiv cspc-r'"iiv for the uso of mlsnlonarlcs and scr pturo students. Salt Lake City. Utnh, tho Desorct New.s Publishing company, prlnterfl and publishers, Do you know that book? m Smith. I know of It: yes. sir. Senator Hoar. Is that also a book published pub-lished for missionaries? Mr Smith. Well, lt was published, in tho l'lrnt place, for missionaries, but it Is in dbsuso greatly now. That Is tho eamo hook that waa presented hero by Mr. Tay- ,0BeS8oVK0,Ob, Yes; when I wail out. Tho Chairman. Have you anything further fur-ther with this witness. Mr. Tayler? No Chango in Mnrriago Service. Mr. Taylor. I wanted to nsk a question or two. Do you make any distinction, when you speak of marriage nnd inarrlago ceremony, batwen marriage nnd scaling or sealing In marriage? Mr. Smith. No difference, sir. Mr. Tayler. Tho church now performs the ordinary mnrriago ceremonies, of course. Mr. Smith? Mr, Smith. Yes, sir. Mr. Tayler. And they aro in form as they wero when plural .marriages wero celebrated, are they? Mr Smith. The same form exactly. Mr. Tayler And do you have as many different kinds of mnrriago now as formerly? for-merly? Mr. Smith. Wo havo as many different kinds of marriage now ns formerly. Mr. Tayler. Let mo cnll your attention to what 1 mean, becauso lt will save time: Scaling for time only, scaling for tlmo nnd eternity, and sealing for eternity only. Mr. Smith. Yes. sir. Mr. Tayler. Do you havo those 7 Mr. Smith. Yes, sir. Sir. Taylor. All threo of them? Mr. Smith. All threo of thorn. Mr. Tayler. In all respecjs. except as to tho solemnization of plural marriages, the practlco nnd form of tho church aro thc same ns formerly? Mr. Smith. The same as formerly. Records Kept of Marriages. Jlr. Tayler. Do you keep records of all marrlaces? Jlr. Smith. We keep records of all marriages, mar-riages, I believe, as far as I know. Mr. Tayler. Who la thc custodian of thoso records? Mr. Smith. Well, there aro different persons. Mr. Tayler. Do you mean they aro at different places? Mr. Smith. At different places; yes, sir. Mr. Tayler. At what different places aro they? Mr. Smith. They aro distributed at all the temples. Mr. Tayler. How many temples nro thero ln Utah, for Instances? Mr. Smith. There aro four. Mr. Taylei'. Where?. Mr. Smith. At Logan, at Salt Lake City, at Mantl. In Sanpeto county, and at St. George. Washington county. Mr. Tayler. Where In ITtah may marriages mar-riages be solemnized? Mr Smith. At theso temples. Jlr Tayler. And only at thoso temples? Mr. Smith. No, no; any elder of tho church can perform mnrriago ceremonies. Mr. Tayler. Any elder of the church? Mr. Smith. Any elder of tho church. Mr. Tayler. That Is to say. practically hny adult male lnhnbltnnt In the Mormon church In "Utah-Mr. "Utah-Mr. Smith. No. Jlr. TnyJer. Can perform the marriage ceremony? Mr. Smith. No;. you aro quite wrong. Tayler Asks for Facts. Mr. Tayler. 'I do not want to misinterpret. misinter-pret. I understood you to say a while ago that almost all thc male members of tho church wero elders Mr. Smith. It Is generally ofllclal elders. llr. Tavler. I want to know tho fact; that Is all. I am seeking. Mr. Smith. Mr. Smith. It is ofllclal elders that I mean. Mr. Tayler. Official elders? Mr Smith Yes. Mr. Tayler. What Is the distinction between be-tween an ofllclal and a non-ofllclal elder? Mr. Smith. A bishop Is an elder. Mr. Tayler. Ho Is also -a bishop? Jlr. Smith. Yes, sir; and generally the bishop performs legal marriages when parties apply to him for marriage. Jlr. Tayler. How many bishops aro there ln Utah? That Is. Is tho number large? Jlr. Smith. Very large. Jlr. Taylor. Is lt sevoral thousands? Jlr. Smith. No. sir; lt Is several hundred, hun-dred, though. Jlr. Taylor. Is anybody lower down ln tho ecclesiastical court than a bishop authorized au-thorized to perform marriage ceremonies? Jlr. Smith. No. Jlr Tnvler. Then It .must bo a bishop or somebody higher than a bishop? Jlr. Smith. Yes. Mr. Tayler. Any apostle can perform tho marriage ceremony, of course? Jlr. Smith. Yes. Jlr. Tayler. Was my understanding not correct ln believing that you stated that no elder, unless ho was a bishop, could perform tho mnrriago ceremony? Jlr. Smith. I did not wish to convey that Idea, but It Is not usual. Jlr. Tayler. Not -usual? Jlr. Smith. No, sir. Jlr. Tayler. It may occur? Jlr. Smith. It might occur. Mr Tavler. Are there any others, then, who might not perform the marriage cer-cmnnv cer-cmnnv lawfully? Mr. Smith Oh, yes. sir; a great many. Official Elders and Others. Jlr TaIer What Is the distinction, then, between tho official older and those who have no right to perform thc ceremony? cere-mony? , , ., , ... Jlr. Smith. Tho distinction Is that an official eldor Is authorized to officiate and a nonofllclal elder Is not authorized to of-llchtte. of-llchtte. . ... Jlr Tayler. Thon thero Is some written authority going out from some person authorized? au-thorized? , L .... Jlr Smith. No; no written authority that I know of. lt la simply a general understanding un-derstanding of tho church. Jl, Tavler. Very well. What I was netting at was somo method of determining determin-ing who It Is that may admlnlstor tho marriage rite. Jlr Smith. Generally a man or woman de'slrlng to be married by an officer of tho church applies to tho presiding bishop that is. to the bishop of tho ward ln which ho lives or to the president of tho stako In which he lives, and these ofltcinls of the church generally perform the mnrriago ceremony, alwnyp on the authority of a license signed by tho courts. Mr Tavler. Thnt Is to say, under tho prevailing Statu law requiring licenses? Jlr. Smith. That Is right. Senator Hoar, Is thero no State law which provides who may solemnize marriages? mar-riages? ,T . Jlr. Smith. Yes. sir. Senator Hoar. What Is that, if you know? "Who Can Officiate. Jlr Smith. Any minister, of any church can solemnize- marriages ln Utah, as I understand It. Senator Hoar. That Includes your church with others'' Jlr Smith. Certainly- Senator Hoar. Is thero any Stato law for recording them? Jlr. Smith. Recording marriages? les, "'senator Hoar. What is that? Jlr. Smith. It. Is, that no person is eligible eli-gible to marrhigo without they aro of a certain age Senator Hoar. No, about recording l'jlr. Smith. That they must apply to tho court for a licensu to marry, and a ccrtl-llcato ccrtl-llcato of marriage that must be signed by tho person ofllclating Is handed to tho person, to the woman Kcnerally, who Is married, and tho certificate, or llcun.se, rather. Is returned to tho court. Senator Hoar- You do not answer, still, the ono point I havo ln mind, which Ib tho recording of tho marrhigo Itself. What Is tho Stato law whon A B has bcon married mar-ried lawfully, however that may bo, to C D? Is thero any law whero that record shall be preserved? Jlr. Smith. In tho 'courts. Senator Hoar. In thc courts? Jlr. Smith. Yes. sir. License Is Necessary. Senator Hoar. Suppose, for Instance, a person being a member of your communion commu-nion applies to tho proper authority, an elder or apostla. or nnynody, and gets married, ho has got first to get tho license from the civil authority you apeak of? Mr. Smith. Ho has; yes. Senator Hoar. And then after the mar-rlngo mar-rlngo Is solemnized, am I correct in understanding un-derstanding you that thc cortlllcato that has been solemnized by tho ofllclating person Jlr. Smith. Jllnlster. Senator Hoar. Tho minister, or whoever who-ever It is. Is also recorded with tho civil authority? Jlr. Smith. It Is returned to tho court, or to the clerk of the court, and is recorded. re-corded. Senator Hoar. Tho court which issues tho license? Jlr. Smith. Yes. sir. Senator Hoar. Is it true, thon, that all Jlormon marriages In recent years I will not go back Into old times, but today aro recorded by tho civil tribunals of Utah? Jlr Smith. Yes, sir. Senator Hoar. That Is what I wanted to know. Jlr. Van Cott. Jlr. Tayler, might I ask a question Just on that lino referred to by Senator Hoar, to Just clear this? Would you pardon lt? Jlr. Tayler. That Is all right. Witness Somewhat Rattled. Senator Hoar. Let mo understand ono thing. Would your church recognize as valid, or would your social llfcrccognizo ns a lawfully married woman, , a person whoso marrlago was not so authorized and recorded? Jlr. Smith. Yes. sir. Senator Hoar. You would? Jlr. Smith. Yes. sir. Jtr. Van CotL Did you understand the question? Jlr. Smith. I do not know whether I did. Senator Hoar. I want you to understand under-stand this carefully. I want to know whether, In case- a person did not comply with this civil law Jlr. Smith. Oh, I beg your pardon. Senator Hoar. I do not mean ln the caso of some accidental omission, but In the caso of a person who Is not married according to that civil law; do you Jtor-mons Jtor-mons recognize that person, whether a member of. your communion or not, as lawfully married? Jlr. Smith No, air. Jlr. Van Cott. Tho question I want to ask you along the lino of Sonator Hoar's questions. Is this: Aro any marriages performed per-formed by elders or ln the temples unless they bring along this certlllcnto from the clerk? Jlr. Smith. No. Senator Hoar Of course, tho point of my question Is, to know whether tho Jlor-mons, Jlor-mons, as a practice, aro ln tho habit of performing secret marriages, or marriages -unknown to the world outside? Jlr. Smith No. sir; thoy do not do lt. Recorded in Temple. The Chairman If parties wero married In tho temple, for Instance, upon a license, would that marflago bo recorded ln the temple? Jlr. Smith. Yes, sir. The Chairman. It would bo recorded ln tho temple? , , , Jlr. Smith. It would bo recorded In tho templo. . Tho Chalrmun. Would lt also bo recorded re-corded ln the civil courts? Jlr Smith. Yes, sir. Senator Dubois. Is any outsider or Gen-.llo Gen-.llo ever admitted to any of theso four temples you speak of? Jlr. Smith. No, nor a great many Jlor-mons, Jlor-mons, either. Jlr Tayler. Do you suppose thero Is any record of Abraham Cannon's marriage mar-riage to Lillian Hamlin? No Records of Plural Marriages Now. Jlr. Smith. I do not know anything about lt. sir. , , ,, Jlr Tavler. Of course thero naturally would not bo records of plural marriages now, would thero? Mr. Smith. No, sir. Well, thero Is no such thing. , , ... Jlr. Taylor. I sny If anybody should happen to do that? , ,,. . Jlr. Smith. If they do I do nut think they would daro to keep any record of It Jlr. Tayler. Do you perform celestial marriage ceremonies now? Jlr. Smith. That Is simply a marrlago for tlmo and eternity. Jlr. Tavler. Tlmo and oternlty7 Jlr Smith. Thnt Is what lt means, nothing moro and nothing less. Jlr Tayler. That, according to tho civil or municipal law, Is an ordinary marriage, ISMr.nSmlth. Those that are married In that way outside of tho temples. It is slmplv a civil contract for time, but whero thev have obtained these licenses nnd go to tho temples to bo married they aro scaled for tlmo and eternity. Jlr Tayler. Aro thero seallnga still going go-ing on for eternity alono. not for time? Mr. Smith. Not that 1 know of, unless the parties nro dead. Senator Foraker. Do you marry people for eternity and not for time? Jlr. Smith. When they aro dead; yes, S's'enator Foraker. You marry them after they arc dead? Married After Death. Mr. Smith. Alter they aro dead; and, Jlr. Senator, wo do not havo to have a license li-cense from the court to do that Senator Foraker. That Is simply a church marrlago? ..... . Jlr Smith. That Is Just simply a prlnclplo prln-clplo that wo believe In. that men and women wo-men nro Immortal beings. Senntor Foraker. Aro both tho parties to that marriage dead at tho tlmo It Is solemnized . Jlr. Smith. Yes, sir; they are often dead and they aro represented by their heirs, cither their sons or daughters, or somo of their kinsmen. Jlr Tavler. Living persons have been united for eternity, have they not? Jlr. Smith. I think thero havo been coino few cases of that kind. Jlr. Van Cott. To what tlmo. Jlr. Tayler. Tay-ler. do vou limit your question? Jlr Tayler. 1 was going to ask him. How recently havo you known that kind or a marriage? Mr. Smith. Not very recently. Jlr. Tayler. Do you mean live years or twenty-five years? Mr. Smith. Oh. twenty years or more. Fallen Into Disuse. Mr Tavler 1 thero any rule of tho church prohibiting that kind of marriage? Jlr. Smith. Not that I know of. Mr Tayler. It has merely fallen into disuse; Is that all? Jlr. Smith. It has merely fallen Into d'suso: that Is all. I do not know that lt could be said to have fallen absolutely Into In-to dlSUHC. Mr Tayler. Oh rather, that tho principle princi-ple which still adheres has not been Invoked In-voked or (ixcrclsed so often? Jlr. Smith. No, sir; lt has not been Invoked. In-voked. , , . Thc Chairman. Jtr. Tayler, havo you anything more? Jlr. Tayler That Is all. Tho Chairman. Do tho counsel on tho oilier sldo dcslro to ask Jlr. Smith any questions? Jlr Worthlngton. Yos, Jir, Chairman. Tho Chairman. Thon tho cominlttw will .adjourn at thin tlmo until half-past 10 tomorrow morning. Books Incorporated in Examination. Jlr. Worthlngton. It wnu directed, Jlr Chairman, ns 1 understood tho other dny, that beforo tho close ot tho direct examination, exami-nation, or at Its close, counsel should Incorporate In-corporate ln tho record for our benellt such portions of these books as they rely vpon. I nsk that counsel bo requested to do that, so that they will appear In the record. Jlr. Tayler. Of course, I am going to offer all of these books, Jlr Worthlngton. Wo cannot havo them all In. Jlr. Tayler. Wo will put In tho record what tho commlttco desires, but wc cannot can-not undertake to confine tho commlttco to any particular portion of theso books, all of which are standard. I very readily understand un-derstand that wo do not need to print them all, but tho books must bo In" evidence evi-dence here. Tho Chairman. I understand, Jlr. fmith, that you will undertake to supply the commlttco with copies Jlr. Smith. As soon as I can possibly get them. Jlr. Worthlngton. It was directed tho other day. Jlr. Chairman, that tho portions por-tions of theso books to which counsol Intend In-tend particularly to call tho attention of tho committor should bo called to our attention at-tention so that wo should know what they nro. Senator Foraker. Our attention has been called to what lt Is you rely upon, or at least that which you havo most In mind. I lo not want to havo to read all these books as they arc. Mr. Tayler I said originally that I should orfcr them all In evidence, but I would call attention to thoso parts which we emphasize, and all that wo cared anything any-thing about Senator Foraker. That Is what the committee com-mittee understood. Jlr. Worthlngton. I understood that was to bo dono beforo the cross-examination would go on. Jlr. Tayler. I do rot recall any special arrangement about lt, but of course, I want to accommodate counsel. The Chairman Jlr. Tayler, when do you wnnt to offer tho extracts from thoso books? Offered in Evidence. Jlr. Tayler. I will now offer all of theso books which have been identified, and as to tho Doctrine and Covenants, 1 will call tho attention of counsel now to tho parts upon which we rely. Jlr. Worthlngton. I think as to all tho books, our attention and that of the com-ir.ltteo com-ir.ltteo should be called to those parts upon up-on which they rely It may bo that after this witness has gone home and tho evidence evi-dence Is cljscd, somo part of these several hundred pages that they think we hnve nothing to do with hero will bo of Importance, Im-portance, and I might want to ask tho witness to explain about them. Counsel have had thoso books for weeks and months, and they certainly know tho parts of them they want. The Chairman. Tho chair understands that all theso books to which reference has been made nro offered ln evidence, and that Jlr, Tayler desires to call attention atten-tion to somo particular portion of thoso books, and I think that ought to bo done. Jlr. Tayler. I vIIl do so beforo I leave the room, so that you may know what lt Is we rely on. Jlr. Worthlngton. I will mnko a noto of lt, and then we will havo them put ln the record. Jlr. Smith. May I bo relieved, Jlr. Ciialrman? Tho Chairman. Yes; that Is. for today. You will bo here tomorrow at half-past 10. Jlr. Smith. Yes, I understand. Tho committee (at 4 o'clock and 20 minutes min-utes p. m.) adjourned until Friday, March 4. 1001, at 10 30 o'clock a. m. Washington, D. C, March 4. l&CM. The committee met at 10:30 o'clock a. m. Present: Senators Burrows (chairman), Hoar, JlcComas, Foraker, Bcvcrldgo. Dillingham, Dil-lingham, Hopkins, Pettus, Dubois, Balloy and Overman; also Senntor Smoot; also Robert W Taylor, counsel for tho pro-tC3tant6; pro-tC3tant6; A. S Worthlngton and Wnldc-mnr Wnldc-mnr Van Cott, counsel for tho respondent; respond-ent; nnd Franklin S. Richards, counsel ior Jcseph F. Smith and other witnesses. Senator Hoar. I should llko to ask Mr. Smith ono question. Tho Chairman. Jlr. Smith, may I ask you lo resume tho chair? Senator Hoar has a question he would llko to propound. Joseph F. Smith, having previously nf-llrmed, nf-llrmed, was examined nnd testltled as foU lows. , Questioned hy Hoar. Senator Hoar. Jlr. Smith, I should llko to ask ono question. I am not suro that lt has a direct bearing on this Inquiry, and that Is whether. In your church, In eccle-shistlcal eccle-shistlcal or religious matters, women are recognized as ln all respocts tho equals of men ln rights and privileges? Jlr. "Smith. As voters, they aro recognized recog-nized as equal with men. In the matter of tho holding of priestly authority, thoy aro not regnrded as on tho sumo plane that men are. Senator Hoar. Aro they admitted to hold what you call priestly authority? Jlr. Smith Sir? Senator Hoar Aro they admitted to held what you call priestly authority? Jlr. Smith. I Just remarked that ln that re:mcct they aro not regarded aa equal with mon. Senator Hoar. But that doca not quite answer my question, you will sec Jlr. Smith. I beg pardon. Senator Hoar. It may be, whllo not being be-ing regarded as tho oquals of men, they might hold somo authority. Mr. Smith. They do hold authority ln all matters pertaining to Lhelr sex. Women Not Eligible. Sonator Hoar. Aro thoy ollglblo to any of tho church offices of which you havo given us a list tho apostles, and tho first pic3ldency. and the counselors, etc.? Jlr. Smith. No. sir. Tho offlco of presidency presi-dency and apostles, and counselors, and general authorities of tho church aro con-llncd con-llncd to males. Senator Hoar. What priestly authority, then, is vested In women, and how is it exercised? You say that priestly authority authori-ty in matters affecting their own sex Is vested ln them. Jlr. Smith. Wo havo an organization called tha Woman's Relief society, which exists throughout tho entire- church, and lt Is organized In stako and also In ward c r p nc 111 cs Senator Hoar. Woman's Rollcf society? Jlr. Smith. Yes, sir. Senator Hoar. Does that mean a society so-ciety for the relief of womon who need relief, re-lief, or a society for relief to lx sulmln-Ir.tcred sulmln-Ir.tcred by womon to anybody who neod9 relief? Jlr. Smith. To anybody and everybody. It 13 purely a chnrltablo organization. Senator Hoar. For tho relief of poverty and sickness? Jlr. Smith. Yes, sir; povorty and sickness sick-ness nnd orphans, and tho aged, and all needing assistance. Senator Hoar. Is thoro any other? What makes that a priestly authority? You give that as an e.vamplo of tho priestly authority to which wumen aro admitted? Jlr. Smith. Yes. They recelvo their authority, au-thority, of course, from thc church. Senator Hoar. But there Is nothing prlestlv In tho offlco. Is there, or what you would "term priestly? Jfr. Smith. Yes; ln tho naturo of tho office. of-fice. They hold their meetings-Held meetings-Held to Bo Priestly. Senator Hoar. Do you regard that as a priestly authority tho exercise of charily char-ily to the sick and poor? Jlr. Smith. Yes. sir; I think wo do. Senator Hoar I ought not to delay this hearing by a dlscuuslon of that question. Jlr. Smith. Senator, If you please Senator Flonr. Yes. Jlr Smith. Wo regard this organization organiza-tion as on of tho most essentlarorganlza-tlon.s essentlarorganlza-tlon.s of tho church. It was brought Into cxlstonco In the days of Joseph Smith, end Is ono of tho oldest Institutions of the church. Senator Hoar. But what Is there ln lt In tho nature of authority' Jlr. Smith They have authority to preach the gospel; thoy havo authority to teach correct principles tho principles of our religion and to Inculcate thoso principles princi-ples In their cxamplo as well as In their teaching throughout tho church nnd throughout tho world. Senator Hoar. But do you understand that that preaching pr teaching or setting a good example comes properly within tho definition of tho term ecclesiastical or priestly authority? Jlr. Smith. We. do, when thev receive that authority from those holding tho priesthood Senator Hoar. Is thero any person In your church who In not authorized to set a good oxamplc, whether by tho leavo of tho priesthood or not7 Jlr. Smith. Certainly not; but this organization or-ganization Is especially called to that labor, la-bor, and lt Is Its particular duty. As to "Word "Authority." Senator Hoar Do you not undorstnnd by tho word "authority," control over other persons? Now, what control do tl.tso persons exercise which would be termed priestly authority? Jlr. Smith. If I could hnvo ono of our books here Jlr Tayler Which ono? Jlr. Smith. Doetrlno nnd Covenants. If I may bo permitted. I should llko to read from It. I should llko to glvo you thc authority au-thority Itself. Jlay I read lt, sir? Senator Hoar. Read. Jlr. Smith. This is a revelation through Joseph Smith, recorded ln ono of our accented ac-cented doctrinal works. Senntor Hoar, What work is It? Jlr. Smith. Tho Book of Doetrlno and Covenants. Jlr. Tayler What section? Jlr. Smith. Section 121. Jlr. Van CotL You had better give us the page. Jlr. Smith. It commenced on page -H3i Doctrine and Covenants Cited. "31, Br-hold, thero aro many called, but few aro choacru And why uro they not chosen? "35. Because their hearts aro pet po much upon tho tlilncs of tliLs world, and nnplru to tho honors of men, that they do not lenrn this ono lesson "35. That tho rlchta of the priesthood aro Inseparably connected with the powers of heaven, and that tho powers of hcavon cannot bj controlled nor handled only upon tho principles prin-ciples 6f rlRhtcousnus.1. "37. That they may bo conferred upon us, lt In true; hut when wo undertake to cover our sins, or to tcratlfy our pride, our v.iln ambition, am-bition, or to cxcrclso control, or dominion, or compulsion upon the souls of tho children of mon. In any dcfrrco of unrighteousness, behold, tho heavenn withdraw themselves; tho Spirit of tho Lord Is nrloved; and whon It Is withdrawn. with-drawn. Amen to tho priesthood, or the authority author-ity of that man. "3S. Behold' oro ho Is aworo, he Is left unto un-to himself, to kick against tho pricks; to persecute per-secute tho saints, und to Unlit aualnHt God. "33. "Wo havo learned by sad experlenco, thnt lt lo tho nature and disposition of almost all mon, o.i noon iih they net a little authority, us thoy suppose, they will Immediately begin to cxerclso unrighteous dominion. "NO Ilcncu many aro called, but few aro chosen. "U. No power of Influence can or oucht to be maintained by vlrtuo of tho priesthood, only by persuasion, by long' sufft-rlnff, by rrcn-tleness rrcn-tleness und meekness, and by love uufulRiied; "12. By kindness, and piiro knowledge, which shall greatly enlarge tho soul without hypocrisy, and without irullc, "43. lleprovInK betimes with sharpness, when m6ved upon by tho Holy Ghost, and then vhowlnc forth afterward an Increase- of lovo toward him whom thou hast reproved, lest ho esteem thco lo bo hla enemy; "i That ho may know that thy faithfulness faithful-ness Is stroneor thnn thc cords of death." This, Mr. Senator, Is tho rule of tho priesthood priest-hood of tho Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-,day Latter-,day Sulnl.v, absolutely covorlnc their wholo rcslmo of tho presidency of cxcrclso of authority au-thority nnd power over the souls or bodies or Bplrltu of men by lovo unfelgnod, long-suffcr-lncr. and charily, bv Domuaslon and not bv force. j Repeats the Question. Senator Hoar. Jlr. Reporter, will you kindly read tho question to which wo havo Just heard thc answer? Tho reporter rend as follows: "Senator Hoar. Do you not understand by tha word 'authority.' control over other persons? per-sons? Now. what control do theso persons per-sons exorcise which would bo termed priestly authority?" Jlr. Smith. This Is the authority they exercise. Senator Hoar. With tho exception of thc authority as you havo defined lt, exorcised ex-orcised by tho charitable organization for the relief of tho poor and slcl do women cxcrclso any other priestly authority In your church? ! Jlr. Smith. Jlay I, If you please, explain ex-plain to you that wo do not ordain women to tho priesthood.' Sonator Hoar. And they do not hold theso offices? Jlr. Smith. Yes; thoy hold offices ln tho church. Senator Hoar. No; I mean they do not hold tho offices of which you havo spoken spo-ken Just now. Jlr. Smith. Wo do not ordain them aa oldcrs and high priests. Sonator Hoar. Or as presldonta and councilors? Mr. Smith. Thoy aro presidents over their various organizations. Senator Hoar. Do I undoratand they voto? Jlr. Smith They vote, Just tho same as men do. Senator Hoar. In nil places of assembly assem-bly 13 that a proper uso of thc word? Jlr. Worthlngton. At conferences. Senator Hoar. They voto equally with men? Women Vote in Conference. Jlr. Smith. In all our conferences. Thero Is not a woman ln tho church whoso vote on the acceptance or on tho rejection of any officer of tho church Is not equal to my own. Sonator Hoar. That Is what I wanted to know. Jlr. Smith. Yes sir. Senator Hoar. I am not nwaro that tho question Is very npproprlato to our Investigation, In-vestigation, and perhaps I ought not to havo taken tho tlmo to havo asked It, but it la a very Interesting matter to history, nnd as you wore speaking about it, I wished to satisfy my curiosity by asking tho question. Jlr. Chairman. Proceed, Jlr. Taylor. Where Is Cowley? Jlr Taylor Just a question or two. jfr. Smith. Jr. F. Cowley. I bcllovo you stated, Is one of tho twelvo apostles? Jlr. Smith. Yes. sir. Jlr. Tayler. Where Is his region of work now? Jlr. Smith. I do not know whether I Hinted It. ,. . Jir. Tayler, I think you did. Jlr. Smith, I think I did, but I will restate re-state lt. Jlr. Taylor. Please. Jlr. Smith. Our apostles havo charge Jlr. Tayler. I do not. enro about that, unloxs you want to glvo lt. Is ho In tho South somo phico ln chargo of work. Jlr. Smith. Ho 'was eomo two or three UH i weeks ago making a tour of our North- u ) western States missions. 'i Mr. Tayler. 1 recall that Ho wan in (! thc South, was ho not, a year or two i ycara or throe years ago I merely want to get tho Identity of- the person. You remember his book Cowley's Talks on Doctrine? Jlr. Smith. Yes. sir. Jlr. Tayler. You aro familiar with that ! j work? ; 1, Jlr. Smith. I know of tho 'work. L Jlr. Tayler. How long has ho been an ' i apostle many years? ! Jlr. Smith. Quite a number of years, I . Jlr. Taylor (exhibiting book to witness),. ' You recognize that that Is his work? ) IH Jlr. Smith. That is the work of his. ! ' Jlr. Worthlngton. Give us tho title page. Jlr. Smith. Cowley's Senator Dubois. Jlr. Tayler, excuse me I i IH a moment. Jlr. Worthlngton. Let 'us get tho tltlo )j I page. Mr. Smith Cowley's Talks on Doctrine. That Is tho title. L j Jlr. Worthlngton. Glvo tho date. 1 Jlr. Smith, it was published 'In 1902. It was published ln tho Southern States by 1 Elder Ben E. Rich. Jlr. Worthlngton. Senator Dubois wishes to ask you a question. Jlr. Smith. Excuso me. ' 1 Whon Cowley Became Apostl. j Senator Dubois. You any qulto a num- ! ber of years. How many years has Jlr. i jH Cowley been an apostle? 1 IH Mr. Smith. Now. Senator, I can not re- IH member; but If it Is necessary I will find - Senator Dubois. I will nsk you this j question: Has ho not been made an apos- i , tlo since 16? Jlr. Smith. I could not tell from mem-ory. mem-ory. Really I do not recall. Senator Dubois. Perhaps some of theso J i gentlemen hero can recall. That Is my j I recollection of 1L I IH Jlr. Van Cott. Wait Just a moment, i Senator Dubois. Some of the men IH present may be able to answer thc qucs- 1 IH i i IH Jlr. Smith. I really do not remember. Senator Dubois. I think It was about 1 j97 or 1S03. 1 am not positive, however. i Jlr. Tayler. I have a memorandum here, "October. ISO" " - 1 Jlr. Smith, I think that Is likely It. , JM Mr. Tayler. October, 1S97, Is the memo- IH landum I havo of his succession. I IH Tho Chairman. Can you answer the i IH question, Jlr. Smith? IH Jlr. Smith. About Jir. Cowloy? IH The Chairman. Yes Jlr. Smith. I can not do It from actual jH remembrance, but I believe that Is about tho time. What Is the date? Jlr. Tayler. Eighteen hundred nnd j ninety-seven. ( Jlr Smith. Yos, 1S07. Perhaps some of ill tho gentlemen here can tell. A pause. lH I am Informed It was ln 1SS7. , IH Jlr. Tayler. No question 19 now beforo , IH tho witness? 1 H Tho Chairman. No, sir. You may pro- ; cced. ' 'H Weber Stake Reunion. i WM jrr. Tayler, You wero at the Weber i ilH Stako reunion last summer some time? , JH Jir. Smith. Tho Weber Stako reunion? I can not recall lt Just at tho present ' , time. i Jlr. Tayler. Do you remember making j a speech down there last summer at Og- den? 1 1 Jlr. Smith. I could not cay It was last b JJH summer, but I recollect being at Ogden M at a reunion there and making somo re- i jH marks at that reunion. 'J Jlr. Tayler. 1 perhaps can Identify tho f occasion, not thnt tho circumstance la n Important, but It Interested me. as you i'( .B can Imagine. It was when Jlrs. Bath- sheba Smith mado somo remarks ln a pV remlnlpcent way. ...... Mr. Smith Yes, sir; that Is rlGht. Jlr. Tavler. Jlr. Smoot was thpro? ( Jlr. Smith. I do not remember that he was. He may havo been there. Jlr. Tayler Do you remember saying j in your speech, made to your peoplu there, this ... - Tho Chairman. On what date? Jlr. Tayler. Juno 12. 1M3. Senator Hoar. What paper Is that? Mr. Tayler. I was Just going to stak. so that tho witness should know. It seems to havo been Juno 12 when this reunion occurred. The communication Is dntea , from Ogden. June CO. and I llnd what 1 ,( am about to call to his attention printed , ln tho Deseret Nows of Thuradny, Juno j jH 23. 1903. So 1 ask you If you said this ,; IH or ln substance thls-In your remarks: iH Smith on Plural Marriage. j, "A L1V1NO WITNESS. Aunt Bathsheba. ! IH widow of Georco A. Smith, who Is wth us f i today. Is tho last llvlne witneaa, so far ns I i I know, who received her endowments while , r Joseph Smith wns living. Hero Is Aunt Bath- ! sheba. who reived her endowment in Nad-vco Nad-vco uh they arc now Riven in tho temples. Shs i la a living witness, und. If necessary. ho will jH toll us that sho received her endowments Jn I Nauvoo us they uro now slvcn In the tern- ',, biH ules. Sho Is u. llvlne witness, and. It neces- 'H eary. sho will tell um that sh received the- 1 privileges under tho direction of Joseph Smlln. i Opponents say that Brlgham Young estnb- . Hahed tho endowments and nlr-o plural mar-rlagc mar-rlagc but hero Is a witness who knows bolter. BrlEham Young only sought to carry out tho Instruction he recelvod from J0Ph Smith. and Joseph Smith ns he received lt from God. ?o far as tho principle of plural marriage It- ( solC lo concerned, wo are not teaching It nor practicing It. but wo aro taklnc corn of our 1 im wives, and I honor tho men who tao caro ot jH thorn 'and who aro true- to them. uLLB "I woidd not llko to sit in Judgment on any t of my brethren who aro not ; truo to their , families, nnd yet I do not think I would bo more severe upon them lhan tho Great Judge- would be I havo mado no cownants that B wore not mado In good faith, nnd I will keep thorn Vo far aa I cnn. When lt comos to tho pdnclplo Itfrtt I can defend It as a Prlndplo of purity, strictly In accordanco with the Con- ll pel To bo u latter-day Saint ono must ba ' honest with himself, with his neighbors and I with his God. I havo received a testimony of tho truth of tho principles of the OmwL nnd I will try to keep thorn. Joseph Smith IH revealed plural marrlago und tho endowments ' nnd hero is a living witness to those fact?. i So am I. for I received It of thoj-o who re- 1 'H eelved H from Jowph Smith. .Now. am t 'H telling you that-plural marrlago la practiced LH or Is to bo practiced? No; I am only telling ) vou that It Is a prlnclplo revrnlrd by God to ( loseiih Smith iho prophet, and tho Latter-day Saint who ""pies and rejects that truth In his heart mlcht as well reject every other truth 1 connected with hi. mlsilon- Bwiy man and woman will gt hl or nor re -arcl for God Is , Just nnd deals out Juatlcp with mercy. IJJH Now, Just read tho question oo that Jtr. .ipH Smith can understand Its form. ' 'H Tho reporter read as follows: 'H "Mr Tavler. Do you remember saying in your speech mado to your people ' there, this" I'LH Was Correctly Reported. I j Jlr. Smith. Jlr. Chairman, tho ord? I jH "vour people" thero aro misleading. This h occurred In a elcct gathering of a fow persons, a few Individuals, and there wern ' Silly a Vow there of tho leading author - i lies of tho Wober Stake of Zlon, and It was not a public gathering at all. nor were those remarks ln thc light of a pub- ' He address They wore made, and 1 ac- j , "SowfidBO that I mado tein, and I think I H I am correctly reported by tho paper, ns , jjm Mr Tnvler has rend them. The . Chairman. That answers thc ques- t!Mr Tayler. That answers It. I havo 1 no doubt your statement as to tho char- actor of this meeting 1h correct. Let mo read you thc newspaper statement of Its LH character, which, perhaps, will disclose It to all 'of us. It Is this: Who Wore Present. Il oi'tk r.r ; ' 11 I members, alternates, nnd clerk nf the hlRh council, tho patriarchs, tho presidency of the high priest's quorum, tho huporlntendoncles nnd presidents of tho various, nnxlllary or-u-anisatlona (tho Sunday-school, T. ZI. and Y. It. M. I. associations, rollef poclety, ro-llBlon ro-llBlon clnjwcs, nnd primary). an,l lno lRko clerk, with n fnw other loading brcihron, nil with their wives' or husbands, composed tho list of Invited sucsts from "Weber otako, nnd almost overy ono of those Invlfd was In attendance. at-tendance. Of tho vlnltir.c brothrcn nnd ulster uls-ter from Salt LaJcq City thoro wero present rresldont Joseph F. Smith nnd mombora of his family: President Anthon II. Lund. Patriarch Pa-triarch John Smith and wife. Apostles Tludsor Clawr-on. wife, nnd mother. Abraham O. Woodruff nnd wlf, accompanied by Sinter Aenhel TVoodruff. Itcod Smoot nnd wlfo, and HjTum SI. Smith and wlfo; Slater Balhsheba Smllli, William Sponco nnd wife. William Salmon and wlfo. Jocoph r. Smith, Jr., and wlfo. Presldont Charles Kelly nnd Counolor Oleen X Stobl of tho presidency of tho Box Elder stako was aipo In uttendnnro. Mr. Smith. Yes. t)lr; I think that la correct. cor-rect. Mr. Taylor. That correctly describes the character of tho mooting and who the peoplo wore who wero there? Mr. Smith. Yea, sir. Senator Forakor. I understood you to say thoro wero not moro than a dozen peoplo present? Mr. Smith. Thcro wero moro than , that, Senator. Thoro wero probably .flfty. Senator Forakor. I should say eo, if all wero present who aro described Jn that paper. y Not Verbatim Report. Sonator Hoar. I should Ilko to know If you will ask him, or I will If thnt purports pur-ports to bo a verbatim report, published in the paper, of what ho said. H Urn report. H Senator Hoar. I understood you to say H you said It In aubatanco. 1 Mr. Smith. I said that In substance. Senator Hoar. I merely put this qucs-tlon qucs-tlon with a view of shortening the ln-qulry. ln-qulry. -Mr- Smith. Yes. Senator Hoar. It was made to this audience, -whoever thoy wero. and was published In tho Deseret .Vows. Waa it published with your approval? Mr. Smith. I did not know anything about Its being published at all. I was noC consulted about Its being: published. That is simply a newspaper roport of tho meeting. Mr.' Taylor, Nov., Mr. Chairman Senator Dubois. Mr. Taylor, I bee; your pardon for just a moment. Mr. Taylor. Certainly. Senator Dubois. You had no objection to Its being published? Mr. Smith. If I had boon consulted I would have ndvlscd tho nowspajicr re-porter re-porter not to have published It. Senator Dubois. They would not have published it had you advised them not j to publish It? Mr. Smith." I do not think thov would that is, I do not think tho Doscrot News would. 1 Senator Dubois. It would not have 1 boon published without tho sanction of 1 tho authorities of tho church? They would not knowingly and willfully pub-llsh pub-llsh anything without tho sanction of the church? But Do TheyP Mr Smith. Of courso thov would; pub-1 pub-1 llsh everything' that is news. 1 The Chairman. 1 understand Mr. Smith has answered the question. Mr. Taylor. Now, Mr. Chairman. 1 think that, for tho more Intelligent guid-anco guid-anco of the commltteo in gathering those facts together, as well as in Justice to tho other side, who aro about to cross-rxamlpe cross-rxamlpe Mr Smith, we ought to road j those things which we especially rely up- on In the publications of the church to which reference has been made, and which havo been Identified. Tho Chairman. Proceed, Mr. Taylor. Senator Overman. One moment, Whv would you havo objected to publishing thnt speech? j Mr. Smith. Because I havo avoided studiously saying anything in public thnt j eould be construed In the least as ndvo- 1 eating even the rightfulness or truthfuj- j noss of plural marriage. I have avoided it. Therefore I would not have advised lie publication If I had been consulted. Sonator Hoar. I should Uko to ask one rxiestlon. Why. Mr. Smith, would you 1 have avoided ndvoeatlng what I under- 1 "Und was received by your church as a dlvino command? 1 jrr. Smith. Because It had been stopped by a more recent manifesto, I mav say, j of tho president of the church. 1 Teaching' Polygamy Not Stopped. 1 Senator Hoar. If 1 understand you. the obligation to practice plural marriage had been dispensed with, but the dlvino teaching that polygamy was right In it-self it-self had not been rescinded, had It? 1 Mr. Smith No, sir Senator Hoar. Then why would you j abstain from impressing upon tho public tho divine teaching that polygamy thQiigh not to bo practiced nt present, 1 was still of dlWne origin and authority? s"iltn So "3 to avoid' giving- any 1 public oITenso. Senator Hoar. Is it. In your Judgment, a good reason for abstaining to make known to mankind .a commandment of tho Lord, that it may give public offenso the teaching of the Iord? Mr Smith. When It comes to matters BV1 H,af are, nt Il00rtv to proclaim, and 11 that there Is no conjunction upon ue against proclaiming, I think not. But In B thl particular Instance we are under in- junction not to teach It. Sonator Hoar. Not to teach It? Vfl Mi-. Smith. Yes, Glr; not to teach It pub- jhty, or In any other way, for that mat- Senator Beverldgo. Does tho fact that it is against the law of tho land havo anything to do with if Mr. Smith. Yes. sir. MS Senator lloar. I am not qulto through. Senator Beverldgo. Excuse me. Polygamy Taught Privntely. Senator Hoar. I understand you arc under Injunction not to teach It publicly or in any other wuy. but this utterance H of yours was teaching It privately, was It HW Mr. Smith, No. sir. It was simply Hj announclnp; my own belief In it, not- I withstanding it wns stopped, and my principal object, tho main object I had In yiow, was this; Thoro aro a largo num- bor of people who claim that plural mar- rjagta was Introduced by Brlgham Young, HV ana that tho endowments wore intro- SA duced by Brlgham Young, whereas I know HVj that both of theso wero Introduced by Joeoph i Smith and I also know that Eath-HV Eath-HV shoba w. Smith, my aunt, was now about HI tho only living witness of that fact, and I availed myself of tho opportunity of her presence In that assembly to nn- uounco that eho was a living- witness that H It was Joseph Smith who introduced theso principles instead of Brlgham Y'oung. Senator Hoar. As a matter of history? VI rr,1:- ,SmJlV ,a ttcr of hlatoir. That Is all I had In view. Senator Hoar. But what I do not qulto HVI understand is how, If you were undor dlvino commandment not to teach publlc- W ly. or in any other way tho rightfulness HJ of polygamy as a principle, although the practice was suspended for a time, you, to this aesembly of important personages' woro proclaiming your belief in it? ' Mr. Smith. Certainly. Senator Hoar. Ib not that a prettv lm- portant way of teaching a doctrino, If tho V head of tho church states ho belloves in Believes Principle of Polygamy. 1 Mr. Smith. I told tho commlttoc, in an-HVI an-HVI Bwer to that question hero boforc tho committee, If you plcjisc, that I bcllovc in that principle today, aa much as I ever believed in It. But I do not bollcvo In continuing Its practice, because I havo accoptcd in good fajth the proclamation of President woodruff stopping tho prac- tlcc of plural marriao. It does not chnngo my belief ono particle. Senator Hoar, But I wan speaking of your teaching tho rightfulness of it. I undoratood you to say-BBS say-BBS "Mr. Smith. I did not tcach.lt. That was not the intent at all. I was merely expressing ray own belief In lu Tho Chairman. Lot tho stenographer read tho question. Sonator Forakor. What is tho purpose of that? It has been asked and answered ovor and over again. Tho roportor read as follows: "Senator Hoar. But what I do not qulto understand Is how, If you woro un- dor a Dlvino commandment not to leach, publicly or in any other way, tho rlght- J fulnoss of polygamy as a principle, al- J though the practice was suspended for a time, you, to this assembly of important perscriagea, wero proclaiming your bolle Senator Hoar. I do not understand that tho witness has an?werod it over and over again. I think ho has answered It once. Senator Forakor. What I moan is that ho lias over and over again Btatod that ho believed In that principle, but that he had accepted the manifesto In good faith as binding on him, and had ceased to teach It, or to" practice It. or to counten-anco counten-anco It. Ho certainly snld that ovor and over again Ho haa said it llfty times. x Senator Hoar. He said that llfty times. Senator Forakor. Fully that. Senator Hoar's Question. Senator Hoar. My question was how ho reconciled tho Injunction not to teach it with his statement to an Important and influential gathering of tho peoplo of his church that tho head of the church still bolloved in it. That was tho question, which- ho never had answered boforfcr and to that Mr. Smith replied very properly, fully, and frankly that ho did not regard thnt assertion of his continued Individual bollef In tho principle, under the circumstances, circum-stances, us leaching. That was tho last thing ho ald and I thcreforo desisted, considering my question then answered. Now, tho statement that ho has answered an-swered It fifty times seems to Imply a statement that I put tho question llfty times over. Senator Forakor. No, Mr. Chairman-Senator Chairman-Senator Hoar. That Is tho reason I object to It. Sonator Forakcr. Tho Senator may ay that or anything olso ho has a disposition to ray, but cvoryono present In tho room will know that there was no such Intention Inten-tion to bo properly derived from anything any-thing I said.1 I am referring to tho testimony tes-timony as a whole given by tho witness, and tho statement 1 referred to ns hav ing iicen miuic nity limes or more anu tho Sonator himself acknowledged that In the beginning of tho remarks ho has Ju6t now concluded Sonator Hoar. Mr. Chairman, when tho Senator from Ohio disclaims a purpose or an intimation of what ho says, I accept his disclaimer. Senator Forakcr. I do not know what tho Senator from Massachusetts intends by. that. I havo not charged tho Senator from Massachusetts with refusing to ac-copt ac-copt tho disclaimer, or refusing to disclaim dis-claim anything, or of having said anything. any-thing. I merely said, a moment ago that Mr. Smith had statod over and over again tho answer which I understood ho va.s giving. Senator Hoar. It was not an answer to my question. It was something e!ac. Senator .Forakcr. I do not know what tho Senator from Massachusetts refers to. Senator Beverldgo. I deslro to ask Mr. Smith a question or two. Tho Chairman. The Senator .from Indiana. In-diana. Senator Bcvorldgc. Does tho fact that this practice Is against tho law of tlfo, land havo anything to do with your refraining re-fraining from leaching tho principle? Mr. Smith. Most decidedly, Mr. Senator. Sen-ator. Divine and Civil Law. Senator Beverldgo. Is the committee to understand that you and your church regard re-gard tho law of tho land aa more binding upon your actions than your religious beliefs? be-liefs? Mr. Smith. No. sir: not in that sense. I understand that wo aro under injunction injunc-tion by tho manifesto not to practice plural marriage. That is what I mean by that not to continue plural marrying. Under that injunction wo refrain from teaching It, inculcating it. and advocating advocat-ing it, and out of respect both to tho law and to the manifesto of President Woodruff. Wood-ruff. Senator Bevcrldge. What I mean Is this: Your belief may bo one way, which Is nobodv's busiilcss, you, 7iotwlthatand-lng 7iotwlthatand-lng voup'belicf, obey the law of the land? Mr Smith. Yes. Senator Beverldgo. Is that what I am to understand? Mr. Smith. Yes, sir; that Is exactly what I mean Senator Beverldgo. Does that havo anvthlng to do with tho reason why you refrain from teaching the principle tho practice of which Is Inhibited by tho law of the land? Mr. Smith. Yes, sir. Pointed Question by Burrows. The Chairman Mr. Smith, you say you obey tho law of the land? Mr. Smith. Excuse mo. Mr. Chairman, I do not quitp understand your statement. Mr. Chairman. I understood tho Senator Sena-tor from Indiana to put a question, which ,1 will ask tho reporter to read, i Tho reporter read as follows: "Senator Beverldgo. What I mean Is this. Your belief may bo ono way, which is nobody's business. You notwithstanding notwithstand-ing your belief, obey tho law of the land?" "Mr. Smith. Yes." Tho Chairman. You obey the law? Mr. Smith. With respect The Chairman. Do you obey the law in having fivo wives at this time, and haying them bear to you clcvon children slnco the manifesto of 1830? Mr. Smith. Mr. Chairman, I havo not claimed that In that enso I have obeyed tho law of land. Tho Chairman. That is all. Does Not Obey law. Mr. Smith. T do not claim so, and I havo 3aid beforo that I prefer to stand my chances against tho law. Tho Chairman. Certainly. Mr. Smith. Bather than to abandon my children and their mothers. That Is all there is to' it. Senator Beveridgc. That leads necessarily neces-sarily to another quostlon. I understood you yesterdny to say It was you continued contin-ued that, that you were willing to take the chances as an Individual. My question ques-tion was directed to this; That, as head of the church, whatever your beliefs may be. It is your practice and tho practice of the church to obey tho law of tho land, In teaching, notwithstanding what your opinion may be. Is that correct or not? Mr. Smith. That is correct, nnd I wish to assert that tho church has obeyed thd law of the land, and that it has kept Its pledges with this Government; but I havo not, as an individual, and I havo taken that chance myself. Sonator Forakcr. Mr. Chairman, may I ask a question at this point? Tho Chairman. Certainly. Sonator Forakcr. I do not know whether wheth-er it has boon brought out or not perhaps per-haps It has been, but I have not observed It if it has been put Into tho record when and whore and how this Injunction to tako plural wives was given to the church aa a doctrine of tho Mormon church. Mr. Tayler. I was going to read tho revelation In a. moment. Senator Forakcr. I want It to. go In hero beforo wo get away from it. The Chairman. Do you mean tho manifesto? mani-festo? Sonator Forakor. No; I do not mean the manifesto. I moan tho original revelation, revela-tion, if It was a revelation, authorizing plural wives. Mr. Worthlngton. It Is chapter 132. Sonator Forakcr, I wish you would read that particular part of It. Mr. Worthlngton. I havo ho book hero. "Witness, Not Attorney, Questioned. Senator Forakcr What I want to know ,13 whether that was a positive, arbltrary Jnjunctlon laid upon every member of tho church to tako a plural wlfo, or whether It was In tho nature of a privilege which was granted to tho members and recommended. recom-mended. Sonator Dubois. Walt a moment. I believe, be-lieve, Senator Foraker, you directed .your question to tho president of tho church? Senator Forakcr. To tho president of tho church. Senator Dubois. Not to tho attorneys? Mr. Worthlngton. I merely handed him tho book. Senator Forakcr. I asked tho witness on tho stand. Senator Dubois. I should Ilko to have the witness answer IL Senator Forakor. But I have no objection objec-tion to coun3o! assisting him If they want to. I did not observo to what you referred, re-ferred, Senator Dubois. Mr. Worthlngton. X do not- think he needs any asslstanco from anybody to llnd that. Mr. Smith. I think I understand your question. Senator Forakcr. I wish you would givo tho exact languago In which that Is clothed. Mr. Smith. In which It is written? Senator Forakcr. For I havo not heard it yet. although It may have gono into tho I record.. Mr. Tayler. That is what I wa3 rising to read when I was interrupted a moment ago. It is just as wull to come in In this way. ' Senator Hoar. When are wo to have those books? Mr. Smith. I sent for them. Senator Hoar. You have, sent homo for them? Mr. Smith. Yes. sir. Senator Hoar. They will bo hero In a few daya? Mr Smith. Thoy -will como by express as soon as possible. Mr. Tayler. It la pago -163. Mr. Smith Yea; H, Tho Chairman. Mr. Smith, you will now answer tho question. Mr. Smith. Mr Chairman, Is it intended intend-ed that I ohall read a portion of this chapter? Doctrine of Polygamy. Sonator Hopkins. Lot the reporter read tho question propounded by tho Senator from Ohio. Tho reporter read as follows: "Sonator Forakcr. I do not know whether It has been brought out or not. Perhaps it has been, but I ro not observed ob-served It If It has been put Jnto tho record. rec-ord. When and whero and how this Injunction In-junction to take plural wives waa given to the church as a doctrino of tho Mormon Mor-mon church." Tho Chairman. When and whero and how? Mr. Smith. In the first placo, this revelation reve-lation waa written In 1S13 by Josoph Smith. It was taught by him to the members of tho church during his lifetime, life-time, to Brigham Younp, to Hebor. C. Kimball, and to his associates, but owing to tho conditions that existed at that time, fierce opposition and mobocracy Tho Chairman. What opposition? Mr. Smith. Florce opposition and mobocracy, mob-ocracy, which endfd llnally In the martyrdom mar-tyrdom of Joseph Smith, It was not published pub-lished and proclaimed at that time. But this doctrino wns preserved by Brigham Young, carried with him to Salt Lake valley In and In 1SS1. 1 believe It was. there proclaimed at a publlo conference of the church as a revelation from God through Joseph Smith, and at that public conference it was accepted ns a revelation. revela-tion. The Chairman That was In 1S51. Mr. Worthlngton. 1S52. Mr. Smith. Sir' Mr. Worthlngton. 1S52. Mr. Smith. It was In 1552- Senator Hopkins. As I understand you, It was proclaimed at Nauvoo? Mr. Smith- No. sir; It was not published pub-lished and proclaimed at Nauvoo, but It was taught by Joseph Smith to his confidential confi-dential friends and associates. Mr Worthlngton. It was, received at Nauvoo. Senator Hoar. Where was this publication publi-cation of It, If that is the proper term, by Brlgham Young? Mr. Smith. It was in Salt Lake valley in 1S52. Mr. Senator, docs that answer your quostlon? Senator Foraker. Not yet. That answers an-swers as to when and how, but what Is it? Let us havo the revelation Itself in so far as it relates to plural marriages. Mr. Smith it Is very lengthy Senator McComas- What section Is it? Senator Foraker. What I wish to ascertain ascer-tain Is, and all I care to have you road Is enough to show, whether It is a positive command to take plural wives, or a moro recommendation or . mere authority or privilege? The Chairman. Can you not read the portion of It which relates to plural marriages? mar-riages? Mr. Smith. I can read It if you desire mo to. Senator Foraker. Cite the page and all, and then read. Beads Bevelation. Mr. Smith.' Pago -163 The beginning of the revelation Is thus: "1 Verily, thus said tho I.ord unto you. my servant Joseph, that Inasmuch ns you havo Inquired of my hnnd, to know and understand wherein I, tho Lord, Justified my servants Abraham, iwuio 'and Jacob; as also Moses, David and- Solomon, my servants, as touching touch-ing the prlnclplo nnd doctrino of their having hav-ing many wives and concubines "Z Behold! and lo, 1 nm tho Lord thy God, and will answer thee aa touching this matter "3. Therefore, prfparo thy heart to receive and obey tho instructions which I am about to rIvo unto you. for all thoso who have this law revealed unto them must obey tho Bamo;'- Senator Foraker. Mr President. I observe, ob-serve, now that my attention has been called to it, that it Is, as the witness remarked, re-marked, very long. I do not wish to do-lay do-lay tho examination by having it all read. Tho Chairman. I tried to restrict tho witness to that part which Tclatcs particularly par-ticularly to your question. Sonator Foraker. I hao nover read it nnd Mr. Richards. If I may bo permitted a suggestion, I think If tho witness wero to commonco with the sixty-first verso it would answer the question of tho Senator from Ohio. Senator Forakcr. Wo have asked tho witness to exorcise his judgment in that respect, and perhaps your suggestion may aid him. All I want to know is tho character char-acter of tho revelation. Mr. Smith. Of Its binding character? Senator Forakor. Yes. Mr. Smith. It has been accepted by tho church and admitted by all that It is In iLs nature permissive and not absolutely mandatory Senator Foraker. Now, will you read tho language which has been so construed? con-strued? Mr. Richards. Commonco with verso CI. Mr. Tayler. That is right. ' Mr. Smith. I will do so. Bevelation on Polygamy. "51. And again, as pertaining to tho law of tho Priesthood. If any man eupouoo a vlr-Kln, vlr-Kln, nnd deslro to cspouso another, nnd tho first Klvc her consent, anil If ho espOu.o tho second, .and they aro virgins. .nnd havo vowed to no other man, then Is ho justified: he enn not commit adultery, for thoy are given unto him, and to no ono olc." Mr. Richards. Tho word "Justified" is tho word used. Tho Chairman. There Is something a little further on. Mr. Smith. Yes. "C2. And It ho have ten virgins glvon unto him by this law. ho con not commit adultery, for thoy belong to him. and they nro given unto him, thereforo la ho Justified." Senator Forakor. Now, that Is tho pith of that revelation, as I understand It, according ac-cording to your Judgment, with respect to tho taking of plural wives? Mr. Smith. Yes, sir. Says Direction Is Not Arbitrary. Senator Forakcr. And I understand you to say, further, that that has been construed con-strued by the church to be not an arbitrary arbi-trary direction to take plural wives, but a permlsslvo authority to do so? Mr. Smith. Yes, sir If I may bo permitted, in replying to that question. I will say that tho fact that only about 3 per cent of tho entire malo population of tho church havo entered into that principle at all Is evldcnco that ,It Is only permlsslvo and not mandatory. Senator Forakcr I so understood you to stato yesterday, and when you had stated that only about 3 or -1 per cent of the membership of tho church had ever taken plural wives I was at a loss to know whs' questions wero being propoundod which seemed to assume that this was an arbitrary command that all should tako, and that If all did not tako and all did not teach It thoy wero violating the revelation of God. Senator Pcttus. I should Ilko to ask tho witness a question directly on this point, Tho Chairman. Tho Sonator from Alabama. Ala-bama. Asked to Explain. , Senator Pettus. Mr. Smith, will you please read further as to the refusal of the first wife to cqnsent and explain whnt 'Is meant by tho word 'destroyed" In tho same connection? Tho Chairman. It is at tho closo of .your last reading, Senator Pcttus. Yes, sir. Mr. Richards. Pago 472. Mr, Smith. I havo that; but what verse? Mr, Richards. Verso 63, You read 62, Mr, Smith. All right: "C3. But If one or cither of tho ten virgins, after sho Is espoused, shall bo with another man: she has committed adultery, and shall be destroyed." Ia that tho question? Senator Pettus. No, sir; Just a verso or two further on. Mr. Smith. I will read It. "For they nro given unto him to multiply and replenish tho earth, nccordlng to my com-mundment, com-mundment, nnd to fulfill tho promise which was given by my Father beforo tho foundation founda-tion of tho world; nnd for their exaltation in tho eternal world, that they may bear tho souls of man: for herein Is the work of my Father continued, that ho may bo glorified." .Mr. Tayler. Tho next vorso. Mr. Smith All right. "61. And again, vnrlly, verily T eay unto you If any man havo a wlfo, who holds tho kcyn of this power, and ho tenches Unto her j tho law of my priesthood, ns pertaining to theso things, then ehall uho believe, and administer ad-minister unto him, or nho HhalJ bo destroyed, Fnlth tho Lord your God, for I will dostroy hcrj for I will magnify my nuino Upon nil thoso who recelvo and ubldo In my law." What Docs Destroy MeanP Senator Pettus, Now, what Is tho moaning moan-ing of tho word "destroyed," there, an Interpreted by tho church? Mr. Smith, I have no conception of the moaning of It more than the lnnguago Itself conveys, that tho woman who disobeys dis-obeys Is In the hands of tho Lord for Him to deal with ns Jle may deem proper. I tiupposo that Is what It means. Senator Forakcr. Has tho church over construed, that languago to give authority to It us a church to destroy tho woman? Mr. Smith. Never In tlio world. It Is not so stated. It Is that tho Lord Senator Forakor. Tho chiirch construes It, as 1 understand, to mean that sho 1 In tho hands, of tho Lord, to bo destroyed by tho Lord. Mr. Smith. By tho Lord, If there Is any destruction at all. Senator, Pottus. Havo there ever been In th6 past plural marriages without tho consent of the llrst wife? Mr. Smith. I do not know of any. unless un-less It may havo been Joseph Smith himself. him-self. Senator Pettus. Is the languago that you havo road construed to mean that she is bound to consent? Mr. Smith. Tho condition is that if sho does not consent tho Lord will destroy her, but I do not know how He will do it. Husband Exempt from Law. Sonator Ballcy. Is It not true that in fill! X'OI'V nfivt It.irun If ghn r-nTiiDA Viz.. consent her husband Is exempt from the law which requires her consent? Mr. Smith. Yes: ho is exempt from the law which requires her consent. Sonator Balloy. Sho Is commanded to consent, but If she doj?a not. then ho Is exempt from tho requirement? Mr Smith. Then he Is at liberty to proceed pro-ceed without her consent, under tho law. Senator Bovorldgo. In other words, her consent amounts to nothing? Mr. Smith. It amounts to nothing but her consent. Senator Beverldgo So that so far as there Is anything In thcro concerning her consent, It might ns well not ho there? Senator Overman. Passing from this, I should Ilko to ask Mr. Smith a question. Tho Chairman. Certainly. Six Polygamous Apostles. Senator Overman. You frankly said that a.s to polygamous cohabitation you did not obey and were not obeying tho law. You stated on yesterday that some woven of tho twolvo npostlos Mr. Smith. No. sir, six Is the out llmlL Senator Overman Six? Mr. Smith. Yes, sir. Senator Overman. You say six .tio polygamlsrs. Now, are those or any ono of thom dlpobeylng the law of the land In regard to polygamous cohabitation? Mr. Smith. I do not ' know anything about their unlawful cohabitation relations. rela-tions. I only referred in my answer to tho question yesterday to the fact that they were In tho status of polygamlsts; thnt Is, thoy had moro wives than one. Senator Overman. You do not know whether they have had children born to them slnco tho manifesto or noL? Mr. Smith. I am happy to say that I am not a paid spottor or informer. Senator Overman. You might know without being a spottor. Mr. Smith. I do not know. Senator Overman. I lenow peoplo In my town who havo children, and I am not a spotter, either. Mr. Smith. I had no reference at all to this honorable body. Called Down by Overman. Senator Overman. You havo feed that word two or three times. Could you not know whether they had children without being a spotter? Mr. Smith. I do notknow, because I am not familiar Senator Overman. Do you know their gefioral reputation? Mr. Smith. Not whether they have children or noL Senator Ovorman. You do not know whether they have children or not? Mr. Smith. No. sir. Senator Overman. You might havo answered without saying you were not a spotter. Mr. Smith, Excuse me; I beg pardon. "Wants Bevelation Bead. Senator Foraker. If the Senator from North Carolina Is through, I should like to have tho ontlro revelation como In at the placo whero a part of It was quoted, if thorc is no objection. Senator Hopkins. As I understand, counsel Is about to read It. Senator Forakor. But wo have anticipated antici-pated him, and as thcro ha& boon an examination ex-amination about It I should Ilko to havo It go Into the record at that point. Tho Chairman. Let It como In at that point. If Mr. Tayler will Indicate what Is to go In. ' Senator Forakor. I am speaking only of tho ono rovolatlon. If thoro iu anything olso on tho samo subject ho might put it In. Mr Taylor. I suggest that the entire revelation bo Incorporated. When I pro-sent pro-sent It I will read only two or threo sections sec-tions which I think nro instructive, which wero not read by Mr. Smith. That will save the reading of It. Senator Foraker. I will bo glad to have tho ontlro revelation como In at this point, whero Mr, Smith has been testifying In regard to' it. The Bcvelntion is as Follows: ' Verily thus salth the Lord unto you my servant Joseph, that inasmuch ns you havo Inquired of my hand, to know apd understand under-stand wherein I, tho Lord, Justified my servants, ser-vants, Abraham, Isaac nnd Jacob; as also Moses. David nnd Solomon, my servants, ns touching tho prlnclplo and doctrino of their having 'many wIvoh nnd concubines': "2. Behold! nnd lo, I am tho Lord thy God. nnd will answer thee ns touching thl3 matter: mat-ter: "3. Thereforo. proparo thy heart to receive nnd obey tho Instructions which 1 nm about to give unto you. for nil thoso who havo this law rovenlcd unto them must obey tho same. I "i. For beholdl I rovcal unto you a new and ovcrlaotlng Covenant; nnd If yn abldo not that covenant, then aro yc damned; for on oho can reject this covenant, and bo permitted to entr Into my glory. "5. For all who will havo u blessing nt my hands, shall abide tho- law which was up-polntcd up-polntcd for thnt hlcftsliig, and the conditions thereof as wero Instituted from beforo tho foundation of tho world: "G. And na pertaining to the new and everlasting ever-lasting covenant, It was Instituted for thl; fullness of my glory; and ho that recelveth a fullnes thereof must and shall abide tho I law. or ho shall bo damntd, salih tho Lord Cod. "7. And Yr,iy 1 unto 'ou- tnat tho conditions of this law nro theso: All covenants, cove-nants, contracts, bond, obligations, onts. vows, performances, connection, associations or expectations, ex-pectations, that aro not made and entered Into and sealed, by tho Holy Spirit of prom-lee, prom-lee, of him who Is anointed, both as well for tlmo and for nil eternity, and "that too most holy, by revelation and comnmndment through tho medium of mIn,o anointed, whom I havo nppolntcd on tho earth to hold this power (and I havo appointed unto my servant Joseph to hold this power In the last days, nnd there Is never but ono on tho earth at a tlmoT on whom this power mid tho keys of this priesthood priest-hood are conferrod) aro of no efficacy, virtue or force. In nnd after tho resurrection from tho dead-, for all contracts that aro not niiuly unfo 'thl? end havo an ond when men aro dead. Behold! mlno house Is a hous of order, wilth thu Lord God, and not a houso of confusion. con-fusion. "5. "Will I accept of on offering, salth tho Lord, that Is not made In my namo! "10. Or will I receive at your hands that which I have not nipoIntd! "IU And will I appoint unto you, salth tho Lord, oxcept It bo by law, even ns I nnd my Father ordained unto you, beforo thu world was! "12. am the Lord thy God. and I give unto you this commandment, that no man shall como unto tho Father but by me, or by my word, which Is my law. salth tnp Lord; "13, And everything that Is In the world, whether It bo ordained of men. by throncc, or principalities, or powers or things of name, whatsoever they may bo. that aro not by me, or by my word, snlth tho Lord, shnll bg thrown down, and shall not remain. after men are dead, neither In nor after tho resurrection, resurrec-tion, saltu tho Lord your God. ."H. For whataoovr things remain arc- by mo; and whatsoever things nro not by mo, shall be shaken and destroyed. "15. Thorcforc, If a. man marry him n wife In tho world and ho marry her not by me. nor by my word; and h covenant with her so long as he la In tho world, and shq with him, their covenant and marriago aro not of forco when they or dead, and when they Aro put of the world; therefore, they aro not Jrtund by any law when they are out of tho world; "16, Thcreforo, when they aro out of tho world, they neither marry, nor aro given In marring1, but nro appointed angnls in hcaroh, which nngoln are mlnlstTlng angels, .to minister min-ister for thoHo who nro worthy of 'n fir moro and nn exceeding, nnd nn eternal weight of glory; "17. For theso angels did not abldo my law, therefore they cannot be" enlarged, but remain re-main peparatcly nnd singly, without exaltation, exalta-tion, In their iuvel condition, to nil .eternity, nnd from henceforth nro not Gods, but nro nngols of God. for over and over "1R. And ngntn. verily I say unto you, If n mnn marry a wife, nnd mnko a covenant with her for tlmo nnd for nil eternity. If that covenant cove-nant Is not by me, or by my word, which In my law, and Is not senled by tbo Holy Spirit of promise, through liliu whom I hnvo anointed anoint-ed nnd appointed unto this power then It Is not vnlld, neither of force when they are out of tho world, becauso they nre.noi Joined by me, ualth tho Lord, neither by my 'word; when they aro out of the world,. It ennnot be received here, becauso the nngols nnd tho Gods nro appointed thoro. by whom they cannot can-not pnja, thvy cannot, therefore. Inherit my glory, for my houso Is a house of order, faith the Lord God. "19. And ncaln verily I say unto you. If a man marry a wife by iny word, which Is my law. and by tho new and everlasting covenant, cove-nant, nnd It Is scaled unto thrm b' tho Holy Spirit of. promise, by htm who In nnolnted. unto whom I havo appointed this power, nnd tho keys of this priesthood, nnd It shnll 1ms paid unto thom. ye shall conn- forth In the llrst resurrection, nnd If It bo after the first resurrection. resur-rection. In tho next resurrection: and Khali Inherit In-herit thronfH. kingdoms, principalities, und powers, dominions, all heights and depths then shall It be written In the Lnmb'n Hook of Life that ho shall commit no murder whereby where-by to ched Innocent blood, nnd If yo abide In my covenant nnd rommlt no murder whereby lo shod Innocent blood. It shall be done unto them In nil things whntsoover my servant hnth put upon thorn In tlmo nnd throuch nil eter nity, and shall lw of full forco when they nrc out of tho world; and they shall pass by tho angels, nnd tho OoUs. which are net there, to their exaltation nnd glory In nil things, ns hath been scaled upon their heads, which glory shall bo a fullness and a continuation of tho seeds for over nnd tver , "CO. Then shall they be Gods, becauso they havo no end therefore shnll thoy bo from everlasting to overlanting, becauso they con-tlnuo; con-tlnuo; then shall thoy bo nbovo all. becaumo nil things aro subject unto them. Then shall thoy bo Gods. becaiiRo they have all power, and tho npgels nro subject unlo them. "21. Verily, Vorlly I say untn you. except ye abldo my law. yo cannot attuln to this glory "22. For Htmlght Is the gato nnd narrow tho way that If-wWh unto the exaltation arid continuation of tho lives, and few there be that rind It becauso yo recelvo mo not In the world, neither ,do you know me, ."23. But If y? receive mo In the world, then shall ye know me. and shall recelvo your exaltation, ex-altation, that whero I nm ye shall bo also. "21. This Is rtnternnl lives, to know tho only wlso and true God. nnd Jesus Christ, whom hT hnth sent. I am he. Itecelve ye. thereforo, my law. "25. Broad Is tho gate, and wide tho wny that leadeth'to tho deaths, nnd'mttny thero aro that go In thereat: because thoy receive mo not. neither do they nbldo In my law "?C. Verily, verily I say unto you. If n mnn marry a wife nccortllng to my word, and they nro scnled by the Holy Spirit of promise nccordlng nc-cordlng to mine appointment, and ho or nho thall commit any sin or transgression of tho new and overlaHtlng covennnt whatever, and nil manner of binnnhomles. nnd If thoy commit com-mit no murder, wherein they shed Innocent blood yet shull come forth In tho first resurrection resur-rection and enter' Into their exaltation; but they shall be destroyed In tho flesh, and shnll ho delivered unto tho buftetlngs of Satan unlo tho dny of redemption, enlth tho Lord God "27 Tho blasphemy ngalnsl the Holy Ghost, which shall not be forgiven In tho world, nor out of the world. Is In thnt yo commit murder, wherein yo shed Innocent blood, and assent unto my death, after yo havo received my new nnd everlasting covenant, cove-nant, salth the Lord God; and he that nbldeth not this law. can In no wise onler Into my glory, but shall lw dnmned. salth the Lord. "2S. I am tho Lord, thy God. and will glvo unto thee tho law of my holy priesthood, on was ordained by mo and my Father, before tho world was. '2S Abraham received nil things whatsoever whatso-ever ho received, by rovolatlon nnd commnnd-mont, commnnd-mont, by my word, salth the Lord, and hath entered lino his exaltation, and slttcth upon his throne. . "30 Abraham- received promises concerning his seed, nnd of tho fruit of his loins from whoso loins yc- aro namely, my sorvnnt. Jo-soph Jo-soph which woro to continue so long ns they wero In tho world; and as touching Abmham nnd his wed. out of the world they should continue both In the world and out of the world should thoj qpntlnuo aa Innumerable as tho stars; or, If yo woro to count tho sand upon the sea shore, yo could not? number them. "SI This prom'iso Is yours, also, because yo nro of Abraham, and tho promise wns made unto Abraham: and by this law are tho continuation con-tinuation of tho works of my Father, wherein where-in ho glorlcth himself. "12. Go ye. therefore, and do the works of Abraham; enter yo Into rrty law, and yo shnll be saved. "33. But If ye enter not Into my law yo cannot recelvo tho promlHs of my Father, which hn made unto Abraham. "31. God commanded Abraham, and Sarah gavo Hagar to Abraham to wife. And why did sho do It? Because this wan tho law and from Hagar sprung many pepplo. This, therefore, there-fore, wns fulfilling, among other thlhga. tho promises. "33. "Was Abraham, thereforo, under condemnation? con-demnation? Verily I say unto you. Nay; for I, tho Lord, commanded It, ''30. Abraham was commanded to offer his son, Isaac, novcrlholcjw it was written, thou shalt not kill Abraham, however, did not refuse, re-fuse, and It was accounted unto him for rlghteousnesn. "37. Abraham received concubines, and thoy bear him children, and It was accounted unto him for righteousness, becauso they wero given unto hint, nnd ho abodo In iny law, as Isaac- also, and Jacob did nono other things thnn that which they 'wero commanded; and becauso they did nono other things than that which thoy wero commanded, thoy havo entered en-tered Into their exaltation, according to tho promises, and sit upon thrones, and nro not angels, hut uro Gods. "3S. David also rccelvc-d many wives ' and concubines, as also Solomon and Moses my servants, as nlso many others of my servants, from tho beginning of creation until this llino, und In nothing did they sin, sava In theso things which they received not of ma "30. David's wives and concubines woro given unto hi in of n)o, by tho hand of Nathan, my servant, nnd others of tho prophets who had the keys of tills power; and In none of theso thlngB did ho sin against mo, savo in tho caso of Uriah nnd his wife; and thereforo J he hath fallen from his exaltation, and received re-ceived his portion, and ho shnll not inherit them out of tho world; for I gavo thom unto another, ealth tho Lord. "10. I am tho Lord thy God, nnd I gavo unto thoo my servant Josoph, an appoint' mcnt. and restore all things: ask what yo will, and It shall bo given unto you, according accord-ing to my word: "41. And as yo havo asko,l concerning adultery adul-tery verily, verily I eay unto you. If n man recelveth a wlfo Ip th new and everlasting covenant, and If sho bo with another roan and I havo not appointed unto her by tho holy anointing she hath committed adultry, and shall be destroyed. "12. If she bo not In the new and everlasting everlast-ing covenant, nnd eho bo with another man. sho has committed adultery. "13. And. If her husband he with another woman nnd ho wna under a vow, he hnth broken bis vow. nnd hnth committed adultery. "41. And If sho hath not committed adultery, adul-tery, but Is innocent, and hath not broken her .vow, und she knowe.th It., and J roveal It unto you, my servant Joseph, thpn shall you havo power, by the power of my holy priesthood, to talco her and glvo her unto him that hath not committed adultery, but hath been faithful-for faithful-for ho shall be made ruler over many; ' "15. For I havo conferred upon you tho keys and the power of the priesthood, wherein (I restore all things and make known unto you 'all things In due time. MS. And vorlly, verily J ray unto you that whntsoover you ecnl on enrth, shall bo scaled In heaven; nnd whatsoever you bind on earth. In my name, and by my words, faith tho Lord, It shall bo eternally bound In the heavens: and whpsonver Mns you remit on earth shall be romlttcd eternally In tho heavens; heav-ens; end whosesoever sins you retain on earth, shall bo retained In heaven. "17. And again, verily I cay, whomsoever you bless, I will blecs, and whomsoever you curse, I will curse, salth the Lord, for I, tho I 'Lord, am thy God. "IS. And again, vcrtlv I sav untcM'ou, my I servant Joseph, that whatsoever you glvo wi ,'cqrth.. and to yhc-rnsccv"" you glvo any ono on earth, by my word, arid nccordlng to my law. It nhall be visited with blowings, and not cursings, and with my power, salth the Lord, and shall bo with out condemnation on oarth nnd In heaven; , "MP. For I am tho Lord thy God. nnd will bo with thee even unto tho end of the world, and through nil eternity; for verily, I seal .upon you your exaltation, and prenaro n throne for you in tho kingdom of my Father, with Abraham, your- fnthor. "50. Behold, I havo aeon your sacrifices and will forgive all your sins; 1 have sn your secrlfices, In obedlenco to that which 1 hnvo told you. go, therefore, nnd I make a wny for your escape, as I accepted tho offering of Abraham, of his son, Isaac, "CI. Verily I say unto you, a commandment command-ment I give unto mlna handmaid. Emma Smith, your wife, whom I have glvon unto you, that she ntny herself and partake not of that which" I commanded you' to offer unto her; for 1 did It. salth the Lord, to prove you nil, as I did Abrnhnm; and that I might require re-quire an offering at your hand, by covennnt and sacrifice; "52. And lot mlno handmaid, Lmrnn Smith, recelvo alt those that havo been given unto my servant, Joseph, and who aro virtuous aro puro beforo me: and thoji who aro not pure, nnd havo said thoy woro pure, shnll bo destroyed, pnlth tho Lord God; "M. For I nm tho Lord thy God. nnd yo shall obey my volco: und 1 give unto my sen-ant Joseph, thul ho ehnll bo made rulor over many thlnzo, for ho hath been faithful over n few things, and from henccfjrth I . will strengthen him. "W. And I command my handmaid, Lm-ma Lm-ma Smith, to abide and'cleaVe unto iny servant ser-vant Joseph, and to none else. But If sho will not abldo this commandment, r.ho shall be destroyed, salth tho Lord; for I urn tho Lord thy God, ami will destroy her. If sho ubldo not In my law; "53. But If she will not abide this oom-mandmonl oom-mandmonl then ehnll my servant Joseph do all things for her. oven ns ho huth nald; nnd I will bless him and multiply him and glvo unto him an hundred fold In this world. Of fnthern nnd mothers, brothers nnd sisters, house nnd lands, wives nnd children, nnd crownH of eternal Jives In tho eternal worlds. "W. And ngntn, verily I say, let mlno handmaid forgive my sorvnnt Joseph. his trospnsi9ca; nnd then shnll she bo .forgiven her trespasses, wherein she hns trespassed agulnat mo: and f, tho Lord thy God. will bless her, anl multiply her, and mnko her heart to re-Jolco. re-Jolco. "57. And again, I say. lot not niy servant Joseph put his property out of his hands, lost mi enemy come nnd destroy him; for satan sccketh to destroy; for I am tho Lord thy God, nnd ho Ig my servant; and behold! nnd lo I nm with him, an I was with Abraham, thy father, oven unto his exaltation and glory. "53. 'ow. 03 touching tho law of tho priesthood, priest-hood, thcro are many thlngB pertaining thcro-unto. thcro-unto. "59. A'Crlly, If a man lu called of my Father, Fath-er, as wan Aaron, by mlno own voice, nnd by ho volco of him thnt tent me; nnd I havo endowed him with tho keys of the power of this priesthood. If ho do anything In my name, and according lo my Inw, and by my word, ho will not commit sin, and I will Justify him. "CO. Let no one, therefore, sot on my servant, ser-vant, Joseph; for I will Justify him; for he shnll do tho sacrifice which I rcqulro at hi hnnds for his transgressions, salth tl.e Lord your God. "61. And again, an pertaining to tho law of tho priesthood; If any mnn cspouso a virgin, vir-gin, nnd doslro to cspouso nnother, nnd tho first glvo her consent, and if ho cspouso tho si-cond and they aro virgins nnd have vowed to no other man, then Is ho Justified; ho Cannot commit adultery, for they aro given unto him; for ho cannot commit adultery with that that bolongeth unto him and to no ono else; "62. And If he havo ten virgins given unto him by this law ho cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him. vnd they aro given unto him. therefore ho In Justified. "63. But If one or olthrr' of tho ton virgins, vir-gins, after sho in espoused, shall bo with another an-other mnn; ,sho hns committed adultery, and shall be destroyed; for they arc given unto him to multiply and replenish the earth, according ac-cording to my commandment, nnd to fulfill tho promlso which was given by my father beforo tho foundation of tho world: and for their exaltation In tho eternal worlds, thnt thoy may benr their souls of men; for herein here-in Is tho work of my Father continued, that he may be glorified. "04. And again, verily, verily, I say unto you. If any man havo a wife, who holds tho keys of this power, nnd ho tenches unto her tho law of my priesthood, as pertaining to these things, then shall she bollec, and administer ad-minister unto him. or sho r.hali bo destroyed, onlth tho Lord your God, for I will destroy her; for I will magnify my namo upon all thoso who recelvo and abide In my law. "65. Therefore, It shall bo lawful In me. If she recelvo not thin law, for him to receive re-ceive all things, whatsoever I, tho Lord his God. will give unlo him. because sho did not administer unto him according to my word, nnd sho then becomes tho transgressor, and ho Is exempt from the law of Sarah, who administered unto Abraham according to tho law, when 1 commanded Abraham to tako Harar to wife. "CO. And now. ns pertaining to this law. verily, verily, I say unto you, 1 will roveal moro unto you, horeaftor: therefore, let this suffleo for tho present. Behold. I am Alpha and Omega. Amen." Tho Chairman. If it is convenient to you, Mr. Tayler. you may now read tho additional sections or verses. Mr. Tayler. I will do so. I wish first , to ask Mr. Smith Just one question. The Chairman. All right. His Ogden Address Again. . "Mr. Tayler. It Is upon tho subject ot his instructions and Inculcation of polygamy. po-lygamy. I understood you to say, Mr. Smith, that you did not donsldcr the remarks re-marks you made nt Ogden, which I quoted, as Instructing or advising belief In polygamy. Mr. Smith, Oh, no; I did nqt say that. Mr. Tayler. You then made use of this language: "Now, am I telling you that plural marriage mar-riage is practiced or Is to be practiced? No, I am only telling you that It Is a principle prin-ciple revealed by God td Joseph Smith tho prophet, atld tho Latter-aay Saint who denies and rejects that truth In hl3 heart might as woll reject every other truth connected with his mission. Mr. Smith. That Is correct Mr. Tavlcr. That Is correct? !Mr. Smith. YeB. sir. Mr. Tayler And that is not,, in your construction of your language. Instruction .or Inculcation? Mr. Smith. Merely a statement of fact. Mr. Taylor, Merely the statement of a fact exactly Mr. Smith. That Is all. Senator Dubois. May I ask tho president presi-dent a question on tho line on which ho Is now testifying? ,Tho Chairman. Certainly. Number in Polygamy. Senator Dubols. To start out' with, Mr. Smith has now several times stated that only 3 or 1 per cent were In polygamy. That has gone without challenge. My Judgment Is that 3 or 4 per cent wero convicted. con-victed. I think tho prosecution will bo able to show that much moro than 3 or I per cent wero In the polygamous relations. rela-tions. 1 am almost willing to hazard the guess that 3 or l per cent wero actually convicted. Sonator Foraker. In so far as I rmado use of tho term "3 or 4 per cent," I took it from the witness. I have no knowledge on the subject Senator Dubois. I understand, I do not undertake lo givo tho percentage, but It will be given. However, I make my statement In contradiction to that of the president. Mr Worthlngton. Do you refer to 3 or 4 per cent of tho whole membership of tho Mormon church or only the marriageable males? Senator Dubois. Ah, you do not consider con-sider the women in polygamy? Mr. Worthlngton. I did not know Sonator Dubois. You mean that Hit women aro not In polygamy? Mr. 1 orthiugton. I merely wanted to know whether you meant 3 or I per cent of the tUioIo church population or that percentage of the marriageable males. Senator Dubois. I will state at the proper tlmo what I mean Wo will accept your statement. Mr. Smith, that a small percentage are in polygamy. How many presidents of the church from the beginning have boon monogomlsts? Mr. Snilth. How many? Senator Dubois. Yes. All Presidents Polygamists,' Mr. Smith. How many presidents have been monogomlsts? T ihlnk that all of the first presidents of the church down to myself have had plural wives. Senator Dubois. I understood from the testimony hero yesterday that the heir to tho throne Is a polygamlst the heud of tho quorum of apostles now, who under un-der the rulo and precedents, should ho survive you, will bo the president of the church. I understood that ho Is also a polygamlst. Mr. Smith. I should like to correct the Sonator by saying that we have no hlr to the throno. . Senator Dubois. Ho in the head of the quorum of apostles, and there has been a lino "of unbroken precedents that the hend of tho quorum of the apostles succeeds suc-ceeds to tho offlco of president. Mr. Smith-. That Is correct. Senator Dubois. If tho term "heir to the throne" is offensive, T withdraw it. Mr. Smith. If you please. Senator Dubois. But apparently, following fol-lowing tho precedents Of the church. .he -will succeed to the office of president. Now, of course, you could not state, but has It not been a fact that the great majority ma-jority of the high ecclesiastical positions Jn tho chu?ch have been filled by polygamlsts? po-lygamlsts? Leaders Had Plural "Wives. Mr. "Smith I could not state that from positive knowledge, but I will say this frankly, that a largo number of them have been oolygamlsts. Tho fact of the ' matter Is, that the most prominent men, thp most Influential men, the men who have stood highest In business and in social circles In L'tah among tho Mormon i people, have been men who had moro tlran one wife. Senator Dubois. That Is a satisfactory answer to me. I simply wanted to'sJaow Ib that this very Bmall percentage aro very $? Influential. Senator Hoar. I should Uko to ask a 'mt question merely to understand what I did fM.' not got at heretofore. I undoratood the Pli question to bo put whether this rovela- K Hon lo Joseph Smith, promulgated and !; mud public by Brlgham Young, ln regard -fc'i to polygamy, wns permissive or obllga- fft tory. I understood and I am not Bum ,W 1 understood you aright that It wa3 nor- i1 mlrslve, but did you mean to say that or 5 do you mean to say It is obligatory o f far as a general prlnclplo of conduct hi concerned, but not mandatory under thn circumstances? w ffi Now I will Illustrate what I mean bv 5 tho injunction of our scripture what -wi ,5 cull the New Testnment. 1 jfri Mr. Smith. Which Is our ocrlpturo also M Senator Hoar. Which 13 your HcrlDturi WS also? v Mr. Smith. Yes. sir. fljir Bishop Must Bo Sober. TO Senator Hoai". The apostlo says that a flit hlshop must be sober and must be th0 IlC) husband of one wife. T Mr. Smith. At least (te Senator Hoar. Wo do not say that w? (Laughter.) Tho bishop must be sober IW and mii3t be tho husband of one wife ri I supposo that Is generally construed to 'I 3 enjoin upon bishops tho marriage relation I ' But I have known several bishops, two In my own Stato, of irrcat distinction, who l' wore bachelors. I suppose they would Bay 1 it' If you asked thom, that that was an obi j W ligation to sustain by their example the f'i! marriage relation, but that It did not ' 0 apply under all circumstances and upon al) occasions, and that tho ordinary ele mont of human illness and poverty, or any ' JL other special reason, exempted Uiem from it. 5j, I gather from your gonoral answer that , It that 13 what you mean by your answer "A whether It 13 permlsslvo or mandatory i 1 V that the prlnclplo Is mandatory, but that It Is not of universal application under nil circumstances. Mr. Smith. I think, Sonator, I can ac- i1 cept of your statement without any crit- i $L lclsm at all. I Senator Hoar. That Is what I wanted to know S Mr. Smith. I should like to bo permitted ' rl to call tho attention of the honorable Sen. &i abor to the fact that this injunction waa '-it, made to the church In Judea, ln tho midst 1 & of a polygamous people, and that all of the people believed ln the practice of poly- ;' V gamy ft that tlmo. i 6 Senator Hoar. You mean the ancients' -' l Mr. Smith. Yes. sir, tho Jews at that X time But It waa mado obligatory upon ; a the bishop that he should have ono wife, . f- because tho duties of a bishop require an . m experienced man. ; As to Polygamy Revelations. e Senator McComas. You said that th 5l rovolntlon of polygamy promulgated Jv ' rf: Brlgham Young was pcrmlsalvo and Mat J w mandatory. -it Mr. Smith. Begging pardon. I said thnt it It Is so construed by our peoplo. Sonator McComas. So construed, and -'? your church so construes It? ,- Mr Smith. It Is so construed bv our j J people. " ' ' i Senator McComas. To bo permissive ' I and not mandatory? , jjf Mr Smith. In tho sonso of saying that ' as a prlnclplo it was a vital prlnclplo at i r 1 the time, but It was not mandatory, from ' 5 the very fact that only a very small pr- ' :. I contago engaged In It, and, with all defer- ! ,' "Jf once to tho Sonator who has expressed w himself. I still maintain that the estimate 5 ,1 of 3 per cent of tho Mormon people who 'S entered Into polygamy is based upon fig- i ures that were produced at the lime tho X announcement was mnde. , " Sonator McComas. I will not require you ' to repeat tho statomcnt.you have madt., it at although you have repeated part of it. ;Mr. Smith. Thank you. n Senator McComas. You said. If I un :p derstand you. that tho manifesto of Pres, Idcnt WoodrulT was construed by you and i by your church as mandatory. V Mr. Smith. Yes. sir. Senator McComas. As mandators'. ; If Mr. Smith. Yos, sir. " 1 ,3 Sonator McComas. Apart from your per- ; a sonal belief as a man, ln your offlco a ! ' J president of the church, havo vou often 1 si or ever or repeatedly robuked thoso who , X have, after President Woodruffs mnnlfes- : h to. urged tho practice of plural marriage, ' ' ns when thoy did so In your presence or to ' P your knowledge or when it has been ' brought to your attention? ' : . Mr Smith. I should say that I have 5 never heard anybody advocate It or en- ' - courage or recommend It in any shape or i ?f form since the manifesto. 3J Senator McComas. Have you ever 5 Own Belief Announced. ' jj Mr. Smith. Only In tho sense that has i 5i boon rend hero today; that Is, In a little h social gathering I announced my own be- j ; lief In It and at the samo time announced r tithe ti-the fact that it was not practiced and was Htopped. J Sonator McComas. Have you ever 1 : y hoard or have you read addresses made A by apostles of your church encouraging 1 Jv plural marriages slnco the manifesto? . ' Mr Smith. No, sir; never. : 1 i Sonator McComas. You havo never ; seen them reported In the newspapers? ' t iu Mr. Smith. No, sir. , 2 m. Sonator McComas. Xot In any In- !. l stnnce? ' Ci Mr. Smith. No: unless you can con- ; l strue what I said there 't Sonator McQomas. What you sald7 I i am talking about the statements of ; t othors. , 5 Mr. Smith. I havo not heard anybody : ,j; else. ' ! & Sonator McComas. Apostlo Grant, f?: s Instance, nnd others? '. & Mr. Smith. I understood that ApostVn, , Grant merely announcod tho fact that hp , Ml had two wives and thnt he hnd contrlb- , R utcd $000 to a certain class ln tho I'nlver- l slty of Utah ln honor of hla two wives ; nr $150 each. He announced It publicly Tho ; : iff anti-Mormon press of Salt Lake City took . g It up Tind mado a great big hubbub j about it. 'i a. Senator McComas. I understood you to , s say that you have never heard ln any ( ! public place any apostle or elder of tho church encourage tho practice of plural marriages or defend It after tho Woodruff : manifesto? , t& Mr. Smith. I will say truly as to both if. wa, forms of your question, I havo never : 'J hoard thom advocate It; I havo never , heard them defond It ln public . 'R Senator McComas. And you havo nover j ' read of it? ; j. "Will Defend Polygamy. i Mr. Smith. But I have said this, if you if please. Mr. Senator, that If tho principle ' In the abstract Is attacked by opponents, ; jgJ it Is very, very likely that we will defend it, from a scrlDtural viewpoint e st Sonator McComas. I nm not asking i; jjt you what you would do. I want to know what you havo dono. ' S Mr. Smith. Wo havo not dono anything k of the .kind. , , ; Senator McComas. Havo you read in "f- tho newspapers in Salt Lake City reports 7 that appear to be authentic of nny apos- 71 tie or elder who has thus defended tho ; practice of polygamy? And If so, I do- sire to know If you havo over ln your place as president of tho church In any manner called him to account for viola- ifc ting tho Woodruff manifesto, which you t, oay Is mandatory upon tho members of w tho church. JJS Mr. Smith. There aro ?ome papers ver . bitterly anti-Mormon published In Salt J; A'& Lake City , , I i"!' Sonator McComas. T am only asking ii you with respect to thoso which seem to bo fair and authorltatlvo reports. i tft Mr. Smith. I have never seen any fair. V authoritative, or rellablo reports of that & klnd- u - I; M Senator McComas. You never have. V pli Mr. Smith. I nover havo. , Ti Ma Mr. Worthlngton. Not slnco tho mani- .Vj, festo? I SSI Mr. Smith. Not in tho papers. fr Senator McComas, You havo neer y heard any In nubile? t. ,5S' Mr. Smith. No. lr; I never have. tf The Chairman. Mr. Tayler. before we take a fecoss. I wish you would put in. if you have time, what you deslro from j. theso bookq. , f Mr. Tayler. Shall I proceed now? t r- Senator McComas. Could you clto u t and have It put in tho record? V Mr. Tayler. No; 1 would rather not. s gs. The Chairman. We will go as far as we j Mib can before the hour for a recess arrive?- , ; fit Senator Forakor. It is only Ave Jiln- - i"' utcs. i , ; Mr. Taylor. Shall T go on? I 1? Sonntor Balloy. I suggest that whero , - Mr. Taylor begins reading would bo a j rfcj ;ood place for ua to resume consideration yt Df the matter. - fr. The Chairman. Very well. j7ty Senator Foraker. Ho could not flnUB j. fttnc anyway before tha recess. r?hnTrmart Very well. The com-T-" now tako n recess until 2 fc.tion (at 11 o'clock nnd E5 mln-m) mln-m) 1110 commlttco took a recess 81 ll'im'co resembled at the ox- cgSffl" m Smith, will you t 3tto kindness to rcsumo tho witness jSj pst lcr. Unless Mr. Smith prefers ' ihei I will not want to ask lilm. U? ftfl -LVl am concerned, any question T,!2 i f 'rt at least. 1 was going to read S 5fh documents. Mr. Chairman. 1 f-Ou C53 i-t read cortaln portions of tho t'S fitiMed "Doctrine and Covenants," fllfS t-id 1 from the edition printed by LErat News. with the imprint 1JX1 SI it rrm E0Ctl011 43, paK0 17T: aSj triae and Covenants Introduced. ifli ,.milon given through Joseph, the oeer, M aTohlo. February, 1831." 'SB ''YfJiv.n. yo elders of my church, nnd UtTl -OS "t,. to tho words which I shall speak pre iW w W behold, verily, verily, I say unto '.33 " v ve hnve received a commandment for tffi? Ji unto rnv church, through him whom I h5V a .related unto you. to recelvo com-Jrf, com-Jrf, JSts nnd rovolatlons from my hand. Prd thlo ye chnll know assuredly that . K 1 r'nn0 other appointed unto you to ro- iJsmmandmonta and rcvolatlono until ho T5 .liyTlf ho ubldo In mo. fc M, nut verily, vorlly I say unto you, that W i 3o sball ho appointed unto thla gift l'oft ' It bo through him. for If It bo taken KVm. he shall not have power oxcopt to 'SsM MOtbcr In hl3 stoad. s ird till shall bo a law unto you, that IS 4lve not the teachings of any that ohnll JT before you an revelations or command- ! '"AnJ this I clvo unto you that you mar ''A Si deceived, that you may know thoy nro a t.c. ei y'er verily I say unto you, that hb that ti i J'-iilned of mn shall come In nt the gato tiii J ! N ordained ns I have told you before. 3tS frtth thoso revelations which you have ro-tifS. ro-tifS. and shall rccotvo through him whom tuts wrolnted." ... ill ?i eectlon 131: 're-jirks of Joseph, the prophet, at Rn-S Rn-S j 'Imwls, May 1C and 17. 1S43. t a la tlio celestial glory there aro three MTt-s or decrees, ! " And In order to obtain tho highest, a -eTaurt enter In to thla Order of tho Priest-li Priest-li tS- (meaning tho now and everlasting cov-&l cov-&l !Si of marrlaze:) And If ho does not, ho cannot obtain It. (" He amy enter Into tho other, hut that M jj tin or.d of his kingdom: Ho cannot have ki FirJ i& eectlon 6S vJ: 'Bir-'allon, given through Joseph, tho seer. mS , Rlriai. Portape county, Ohio. Xovomber, "I ,rn to Or? ja Hyde. Luke Johnson, Lyman I l wVcand William E M'Lellln. Tho mind rlil I'll f the L01- n-'1 mndH known by tho yJS, Ci tbe spl'lt, to a confcrcnco concem-ii.jttstaln concem-ii.jttstaln eldera, and also certain Item.i as uf i fJj Jwwn In addition to tho covenants J Jjjjsssnondmcntn." li "A-"i whatsoever they chall Hpeak when la? -arri uPn by tho llolv Ghost, ohall ho Io!-lcre. 'ball bo the will of tho Lord, shall i5 it tit ilad of tho Lord, shall bo tho word Bi . rf tii Lord, shall be tho voice of tho Ix)rd, i ' ul lis power of Go-J unto salvation." j5 : Revelation Given at ITauvoo. S Fife U5, ceetlon 124 . 'Rtvtlatlon tr'vn to Josoph Smith at Xnu- ' w Hancock county, Illinois, January 13, :i JM." f.' Yd! K. rffJ "AtJ now I cay unto you, as pertaining to g. toanllrc-houso which I havo commandod S K JW 10 t,u,IJ for tne bcardlnc of HtrruiRars, i- be built unto my name nnd let my namo 1 tivai upon It nnd let my servant Joseph ft a'.illx housa havo plaw therein, from con-j con-j otAjB to generation." Thsa vers CO. ;1 "TtioW, verily I say unto you. let my per- Itu! Groree Miller and my servant Lyman Tfijii, and mr servant John Snider and my Krriat Peter Haws, ornnlzo themselves and iolst one of thorn to bo a yresldont over iitir ;rum for the purpose of bulldlnc that i bat. "C And thoy shall form a constitution rl'rtbr they may receive stock for tho bulkl-fc; bulkl-fc; of lhat houso 'tl. And they shall not receive less than UlT dollirs for a share of stock In that house, is! they hnll be permitted to rccclvo fif-!ks fif-!ks thousand dollars from any ono man for ; rbc'i In that house; J ti Ihit they shall not l permitted to re-5J? re-5J? : tite over fifteen thousand dollam stock from rej , ur men . trf "tt. And they shall not bo permitted to re-3 re-3 i cHrc unit.- fifty dollars for a sharo of stock sa my one man In that houso; 51 ; "J7. And the' shall not bo permitted to .Ktflre anj- man as a stockholder In this tfl Irk except the ime shall pay his stock iif i b3 ihtlr hands nt tho tlmu ho receives , J ,,fl- bclnrr a part of section 112: 'i "Tia word of the Lord. clven throuch Jo- I.Fh. the prouhet. unto Thomas n Marsh. M u Klnland. July 23. 1S37, conccrnlnir the C ,"ihe Apostles of tho Lamb" 'K Tbit la tbe t'lle of the .section on pago 07. tJ . 1 xW not read f tlons 2) and 31, on paye ! 'torn; 'to-rn; ; 19, For unto ymi (the twelve) and thoso J; first presidency) who aro nppolnted with .j jfjva to be your rouaEclot-s nnd your leader, 2 ii ti rower of thlH priesthood clven. for this : Urt Uyt ur.il for the lust time In the which ,3 lii dUwnsntlon of the fullness of times. .'i 'U Which rower you hold In connection ,tM m . " ,n03s wno havo received a dlsptn- -fn'Jca at any lime from tho beginning of cro- 3 ' -lcl I read Iho following thrco verses, which ; irt tn 3 'k p For vcrllv I sav unto you. tho keys d J tha dlpsn!atlon which yo have received, ffj. I f,tii,r'e down from fathers; and last j' '",t!R sot down from heaven unto you. g: i Verily 1 sav unto you. Ix-hold how pf7'1 " Wur calling Cleanao your hearts J I'wr Barincnls. lest tho blood of this gen- ,9 r"!3 b r3Ulrcd at your hands. ,V i fa,th'ul ""HI I come, for I com I: i. ,nv rcw"rd Is with mo to rfcom- fjj. 4C;v,'Ytr" man according as hl work shall ft ' wn Alpha and Omega. Amen." ; Jtevlation Given at Far "West. 5 : PC 41?. section ill: V '.?rUilon elviii through Joseph, the ster. V-rti yj j'' Calllwel1 county, Missouri, ii .'"V thus salth tho Lord. It Is wls- 3 i'L J!1, mr "wvant Davl.l V. Patten, that ie .wL.ni 11" 0,1 nlH business us Boon a he S i.vv,ln 80,1 rcako a dlfcDoslt'.on of his i tt,, ,hat bo may perform a mission l ,i'-w nt next spring In company with others. Si er r e,v includlntr himself, to testify of j D antl bear Bind tldlnps unto all tho "' tL,r?r vT,ly tl,U3 ,'allh u,e T'or, thnl .'t(l li-l " 03 ,hero nrc those omont' you who ri.i, T n.arae- tbcrs shall be planted In S jlclta. ad' ana receive their bishopric. I fSevelation on Eternity of Marriage. M L'-. fnt section 13i impo 4a- J J'i .'ri l5"on on eternity of the Mar- r 'tX. V.!Vtniu't lncludlne Plurality of ' Vi"rl ii'en t,1rouch Josaph. tho seer. In g 'iiuv' Hanco2!t county, Ullnoli), July 12, V hiriL1 rt4Vlatlon of Miction 132 Is to be JJ 'lCr t,IU testimony. A pan of J rtl nand by Mr- Srallh wbcn ho wan on pi ,. 1 want to road tho eovonth erse: W te,!in, vlcr,1" 1 W unto you. that the "I " ,of 'v nr.. these: All covo- Hr rct,nlr,u:ts, bonds, oblljtlonn. oaths. ri- eirl?. "ormaaees. connections, associations, ttftlt0. u,lon. that aru not nmde, and en-2, en-2, I-S-i1 0,,tu!J "ealcl. by th.j holy spirit of 2r v mfp .. hlm who Is anointed, both u S?.' !J!co m. ,iln," Qrd for ,l" eternity, and thnt J br.i 5v hoiv' bj" n.velatlon nnd commuiid-j commuiid-j :(b;m ? ? ch tho wllum of mlno unolntcd, L 'Oil i appointed on the earth to hold P 'iiniM t (uid 1 hRvo appoinlod unto my n,.i0ifSDh t0 hoM thls IM'er 'bo last l .' tfi tn5ro "ovrr but ono on tho earth b,, or rorc"- ,n nnd ftr tho a 'list ar ta from ,ho duad- for J1 contracts , w" "ol ",a'J" "Wo Oils tnd, havo cn J V vt.l mcn aro .lend." :0. 0,1 PaK,J 0. and verso 10. on pago 3 '' W's ir,lir 1 huvc conferred upon you the til Mir nTil of ,he P-fi"o'l. wherein fl an .v.1 "V "-" n,lj mako known unto -It x .' CH m ,luo time. itswvr.; ,v'-'rll" Yor"' 1 ,Jnto ". ShbV,nr ,0r' "ra on earth, shall bo saled iw LMl1 whatsoever you bind on earth. fci ' It .h . nnd by m-v worJ- 'be-Lt; 'be-Lt; ftr.i , lbo otcially lwund in tho heav-fhh heav-fhh iKii vM,90nver on remit on fa: m lu rem't''"! eternally In tho heav-fii heav-fii kll h J'h018Mcvcr alns von rolaln on earth v Wtrtalnea ln heavm." ,t " v51'0n POKo 471: i Hat" 1 m,,' 1 ,ay llnt0 "ou- n commands' command-s' 'tc vS Jl V,nl mlne handmaid, Kmina Jl: U'b. th;, ur, ,vlf!' whom I hnvo rIv unto thai i,f,, ,"lny hc"lf. and parlnko not "lkr. V JiJ eommnnded you lo olfor unto Jr ,N? a. ? 1 Ja,ln 1,10 '-rJ tn Prov 3ll "nuift ' " 1J,Id. Abraham; and that I mlirht St I'teeiTsn lll n,lno bondmaid, Emma rimlth, itHfcr6? itrvJi. 'no'othat havo been nlven unto alf ' tw i,t?, JosPb. and who aro lrtuous and "oro rno; and thoso who aro not puro, ?n.iaV0 f?.ld uthoy wor ur. "ball bo destroyed, de-stroyed, wilth tho Lord &id:" orno CZ: Rh'nn'rr 1 um tho 10nl thy. God, atld yc hL",130 ml voico' nnd 1 Klvo unto my servant Joseph, that he shall bo mad rulor over many thlnKs. for he hath been faithful S i ,L lh nPs' nnd from hcnceforlh I vslll strencthen him." Verao M: , ,n5c lrJ -1 mtuind mine, handmaid. Kin-"t10'' Kin-"t10'' J abldo and cleave, unto my scrr .m ?stluh', J1 t0 nono -,,lw- But If Pho vIIl not nbldo this commandment, shn shall TJ?Lrw'2,',wlUh tbo .Lord: for I am tho Lord thv God, and will destroy her, It she. auido not In my law " Verso 65 Twnf?; Bu.1 8ho wl" not, abide this commandment, com-mandment, then bhall.my servant Joseph cUV t Bi rr bor. ovon nn ho hath hold; arid ,.JVJ u. less hlm nnd multiply him and elvo unto him an hundred-fold In this world, of raticrn and mothers, brothora and sisters. J?s a?A 1,uids' wlve and children, and crowns or eternal lives ln tho eternal worlds." crso GQi h,n5?U,Vd n,aln vcrll 1 ,ot mine Handmaid forulvo my sen-ant Joseph his trespasses, tres-passes, nnd then ohall sho bo forclven hor rPiH,r whreln Fho naH trospasacd against th. Lord tn" Go3' will blesa her. ana multiply her. nnd mnko her heart to rejoice." re-joice." Plurality of Wives. Vorso CI. An.1 ocaln. n; Pcrtalnlnt: to tho law ot tho priesthood; If nny man espouse a vlr-Kin, vlr-Kin, and deslro to espouse another, and the first kIvc hor consent: nnd If ho espouse the second, and thoy are vlrftlns. and havo vuwod to no other man. thn Is ho Justified; ho cannot commit adultery, for they aro clvon unto him: for ho cannot commit adultery with that that bclonceth unto him and to no ono else. Verso C2 "02. And If ho havo ten vlrirlns ulvcn unto lilm by this law. he cannot commit adultsry. for they belong to him. and they aro given unto him, thereforo Is ho Justified," Verso 03: "C3. But If on or either of tho ten vtr-Clns. vtr-Clns. after sho Is espoused, shall be with nnther man: nho ha'o committed njlulterj'. nnd 6hnll bo dostroyod. for thcr aro tfvan unto him to multiply and replenish tbe earth, ac-cordlnc ac-cordlnc to mj- commandment, and to fulfill tho promise which was clvon by my Father boforo tho foundation of the world; and for their exaltation In the eternal worlds, thst they may bear Uio rouls of men; for horoln Is tho work of my Father continued, lhat ho may bo clorlned " Verso W. "CI. And nmln. verily, verily. I iy unto you. If any man havo a wife, who holds tho keyo of this power, and ho teaches unto her tho law of my priesthood, as pertalninc to thoeo thlnys, then hhnll oho bcllcvo. and nd minister unto him, or she shall bo destroyed, salth the Lord your God. for I will destroy her; for I will magnify my nomo upon all thoeo who recelvo and abide ln my law." Vorso C5' "to. Thoreforo, It ahnll ho lawful in me, it oho racelvo not this law, for hint to rccolvo all things, whatpoover, I, tho Lord his GVd, will rivo unto him, becnuso sho did not administer ad-minister unto him according to my word; and then she becomes tho tranecrcseor; and he Is exempt from tho law of Borah, who administered admin-istered unto Abraham according to tho law. when I commanded Abraham to tako Hacar to wife." Verso C6: "05. And now. ns pertaining to this law, verily, verily I say unto you, I will reveal inoro unto you. hereafter; theroforo, let thla sufilco for the present. Behold, I am Alpha and Omcrn, Amen.'' "Heady References." Jfow I read from the book entitled "Ready Itcfcronces. a compilation of Scripture text, arranged In subjectlvo order; with numerous annotations from eminent writer. Designed especially for tho use of missionaries and Scripture students. Salt Lnku City, Utah; Tho Deseroi News Publlshlnc Company, printers nnd publishers. 1S92." The original prefneo Is dated at Liverpool, November 15. 1SS4. Thn profaco to the third edition Is as follows; !l Is short, nnd I will read !t air "Tho llrst edition ot this work met with a very ready sale In Great Britain, nnd gave much satisfaction to the missionaries anil others who usd It. Quite a number of coplet wero also Imported to this Territory, which, howover. so far from sntlsfylng tho public demand, only seemed to lncrcaso It. so highly was tho work appreciated by all Into whoso hands It chanced to fall. To moor thrt Increasing In-creasing demnnd without the troublo and .x-pensn .x-pensn of Importing the books from abroad, the Dcserct News company made application to tho compilers for tho privilege of publlshlnc publlsh-lnc an edition here. This consent being given, an edition wom Issued which haa already al-ready been sold, and we now present a third edition to tho still unsatisfied public. "Somo Improvement has been made ln tho arrangement of tho references, nnd a few passages pas-sages havo been ndded: otherwise this edition Is similar to the former Thai tho work may provn ucceptnblo to the public, nnd great good result from Ita more extensive publication is tho earnest dcslro of tho publishers. "Salt I-ako City, October 12, 1W2." I read from page 123: "Thn traditions nnd prejudices of centuries, tho man-made creeds of tho day and the laws of all tho nations professing u belief In Christ unitedly inculcate tho Idea that it Is sinful for a man. under any circumstances, to havo more than ono living and undlvorced wife, nt thu same time. A careful perusal of tho scriptures will, howover. reveal tho fact that this practice prac-tice which Is now considered so heinous Is In accordance with the divine law glvfn to tho ancient iHraelltes, that It won engaged In with tho snnctlon and blessing of Goil by many of the best and most favored men of whom the Bible makes mention, and that never has tho principle received tho dlvlno condemnation." Then follow a number of pages of excerpts from the Bible, and along tho margin aru Inscriptions In-scriptions which spcalc for themselves and are doubtless Inlnni'ed n be descriptive of that ..hlnV. nnnnr. In Inn Polygamy Defended. I will read somo of tho marginal annotations. annota-tions. Page 12? : "Laws providing for a plurality of wlvc." Pugo 130. "Plural marriage commanded by dlvlnu laws." I'ugo 131: "Plurality of wives sanctioned by the Lord." "Polygamous son blessed by the Lord." Page 131: "Polygamy right In the sight of God." Page 12S: "Polygamy predicted." I will read that prediction from Isaiah: "1 And In lhat day seven women shall tako hold of ono man. saying. Wo will eat our own bread and wear our own apparol; only let us bo called by' thy name, to take away our reproach. re-proach. "2. In that dny hhall thu brnnch of tho Lord be beautiful and glorious, nnd the fruit of the earth ahnll ba -xcellnt nnd comely for them that are escaped of Israel. '3. And It Bhall rom lo pass, thnt he that Is left In Zlon, and ho that rcmalneth In Jerusalem, Jeru-salem, ahill be called holy, oven overy one that Is written among tho living la Joruiulcm. lealah, ." Tho next marginal reference- on that pngo, 135. Is: "Polygamy Impllod by Savior's promise; "V). And ho said unto them. Verily I fay unto you. There la no man that hath left houso or parents, or brethren or wlfv. or children, chil-dren, for tho kingdom of God's soke. "30. Who shall not receive manifold In this present time, and In tho world to coma life everlasting. Luko 18." Following ibess scriptural quotations is a noto containing many quotations from historical histor-ical writers, from which I will only mnko ono extract, on page 13S: "Many more examples of polygamlsts might bo cited, with tho scriptural mention of whose nurpos or acts there Is no word of condemnation. condemna-tion. In a number of coses where It Is not mentlonod that men had moro than ono wlfo, we are bound to lnf- that such was tho case from tho number of children they ai-o said to have had." And nt tho bottom of th page: "To Ilnd any prohibition of polygamy wo mUHl go to human rathor thnn to dlvlno law, and If wo traco Its history to Its Incnptlon we will find thai It originated In opposition lo innrrlaco of any kind." Tho chapter on "patriarchal marriage," abovo referred to. Is ns follows: Patriarchal Marriage. Xotc, Tho traditions nnd prejudices of centuries cen-turies the man-mado creeds of tho day and the laws of till th'o nations professing a belief In Christ unitedly Inculcate thu Idea that it Is sinful for a man, undfrr any circumstances, to havo more than one living anil undlvorced wlfu nt tho samo lime. A careful perusal of the rcrlptures will, however, reveal tho fact that this practice which Is now considered so heinous Is In accordance with tho dlvlno law riven to tho ancient Israelites, that It was ongaged ln with th sanction and blessing of God by many of the best nnd most favored men of whom the Blblo makes mention, and that never has tho prlnclplo received Ihe divine di-vine condemnation- .... . . Laws providing for a plurality ot wives. " And If a man soli Ills daughter to bo a ma'ldsorvant, sho shall not go out ns the men- flTfsllo pleaso not her master, who hath htrothed her unto himself, thon shall ho lot her bo redeemed: to sell her unto a ntrango nation ho Mhnll have nn power, seeing ho hnlh dealt decoltfully with her, V And IT ho hath bnlrothed her unto his son, ho shall deal with her after tho inunner Ofio',nif "tnkc him another wife: her food, her' raiment, nnd her duly of marriage, shall hs not diminish. jj7 And If bo do not these thrco unto her, then shall sho go . out free without, money. Exo. 21. 1j. If a man, hath; two wives, ono beloved nnd .another hated, and they havo borno him children, both tho beloved and tho hatnd; and If tho firstborn son bo hers that was hated; 10, Then It shall bo. when ho maketh his sons to inhorlt that which' ho hath, that ho may not molto tho con of the txdoved firstborn first-born before tho son of tho hated, which Is ln-docd ln-docd tho firstborn. Dout. 21 17. But ho ahall acknowledge- tho son 'of tho hated for tho flrotborn,. by giving him a double dou-ble portion of all that ho hath: for ho Is tho beginning of his strength, tho right, of tho firstborn Is his. Deut. 2L Plural Marriage Commanded ' by Divine Di-vine Iaw. .i5" If brethren dwell together, and ono of them die, and havo no child, tho wlfo of tho dead shall not marry without unto a strangor; hor husband's brother shall go In unto her, and take hen to him to wife, and perform tho duty ot a husband's brother unto 'her. Dleut 25. 2S. If a man And a dnmaol that Is, a virgin, which Is not betrothod, and lay hold on her, nnd llo with her, atld they bo -found; 20, Then tho man that lay with her ahall give unto tho damsel's father titty nbokols'of silver, and sho nhall bo hla wife; be-causa ho hath humblod hor. ho may not put her away nil his days. DIeut. 22. 1C. And. If a man entice a male! that lo not botrothfcd, nnd llo with her, ho shall surely endow her to bo hla wlfo, Exo. 22. "Plurality, of Wives Sanctioned by the Lord." 3. And Saral Abram'B wlfo took Hagar. her maid, tho Egyptian, after Abram had uwolt ton years In tho land ot Canaan, and gao her to hor husband Abram to bo his wlfo. 13, And Hagnr baro Abram a son: Jid Abram called his son's namo, which Hagor bflnv Inhraaol. Gen, 16 . 15. And God said unto Abraham, aa for Saral thy wife, thou rhalt not call her namo Ssral, but Sarah shall her namo be. 1C. And I will bleas her. and give theo a son also of her: yea. I will bless her, and sho shall bo a racthor of nations: kings of peoplo shall bo of hor. Gon. 17. 17. Then Abraham fell upon his faco. and laughed, and "said ln hla heart, Shall a child bo born unto him that la an hundrod years old? and shall Sarah, that Is nlnoty years old, bear? IS. And Abraham raid unto God, O that Ishmaol mlzht llVo beforo theol 19. And God eald, Sarah thy wlfo shall bear theo a son Indeed, and thou sholt call his name Isaac, and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him "Polygamous Son Blessed by the Lord." 20, And as for Ishmaol. I have heard theo; Behold. I havo blessed him. and will mako him fruitful, and will multiply him oxeccd- - Ingly; twelve princes shall ho begot, and I will inako him a great nation. Gen. 17. "Jacob nnd His Four "Wives." 1. And when Rachel iw that sho baro Jacob Ja-cob no children, Rachel cnvlod her slstor; and said unto Jacob, Give mo children or vlso I die. i. And sho gsvo him Bllhah her handmaid to wlfo: and Jacob went in unto hor. 5. And Bllhah conceived, and baro Jacob a son. C. And Rachel said, God hath Judged mo, and hath also heard my voice, and hath given rao n son; thcrcfom sho called hla name Dan. 9. When Leah saw that sho had loft bearing, bear-ing, sho took Zllpah her maid, and gavo hor to Jacob to wlfu. 17. And . God hearkened to Leah, nnd sho conceived nnd bare Jacob tho fifth son 18. And Ieah said, God hath given mo my hire, because I havo given my maiden to my husband; and she culled his name Issachur. 22. And God remembered Rachel, nnd God hearkened to her, and opened her womb. 23 And sho conceived and baru a son, and Eald, God hath taken awuy my reproach. Gen. 3). Saul's wives were given to David by tho Lord In addition to thu wives ho already had: 7. And Nathan wild to David, Thou art tho man. Thus said tho Lord God of Israel. I anointed the king over Israel, and 1 delivered deliv-ered thea out of the hand of Saul; 8 And I gavo thee thy master's houso, and thy master's wives Into thy bosom, and guvo thee the houso of Israel nnd of Judoh: and It that had been too little, I would moreover havo given unto thee such and buch things. 2 Sam. 12. "David's Acta Approved." All David's acta approved except ' ln the matter of Uriah: 6. Becnuso David did that which was right In thu eyes ot tho Lord, and turnod not'asldo from anything that ho commanded hlm' all tho dayn of hlo llfo, save only ln tho matter of Uriah tho Hlttltc. 1 Kin. 16. Moses Weds. iloses marries n Mldlanltloh woman- 21. And Moses was content to dwell with tho man- nnd ho gavo Moses Zlpporah his daughter. Exo. 2. 1. Now Moses kept the Hock of Jclhro, his fnthcr-ln-law, tho priest of Mldion: and ho led tho llock to tho backside of tha desert, and caroo to tho mountain of God, even to Horeb. Exo. 3. "Weds Ethiopian. "Woman. Marries an Ethiopian wife, and Aaron and Miriam complain of It. 1. And Mlrluin and Aaron spake ngalnst Moses because ot tho Ethloplun woman whom he hud married; for ha had married an Ethloplun womun 2. And they said. Huth tho Lord indeed spoken only by Moses? huth he nut spoken ulso by us? And the Iord hcurd It. 3. (Now tho man Mooes was very meek, ubovo nil tho men which were upon tho fnco of tho earth.) A. And the Lord spake suddenly unto Moses, nnd unto Aaron, nnd unto Miriam. Como out yo three unto tho tabernacle of tho congregation. And the threu enme out. Num. 12. Reproved and cursed for speaking against Moms 3. And the Ixird came down In tho pillar of tho cloud and stood In the door of tho tabernacle, und cnllod Aurou and Miriam; and they both came forth. C. And ho said. Hear now my words: If thero b'j a prophet umong you, I tho Iord will muko myself known unto hlm ln a vision, vi-sion, and will speak unto hlm In a dream. 7. ' My servant Moses Is not ao, who Is faithful In all mlno house. . With him will I speak mouth to mouth, oven apparently, and noi In dark speeches ; and thu slmllltudo ot th Lord shall hu b-hold: b-hold: wherefore then were yo not afraid to cp-ak ngulnol my servant Mosej? S. And tho anger of the J.ord was kindled against thorn; und ho departed. 10. And tho cloud departed from oft tho tnbomacle. and, behold. Miriam becamn leprous, lep-rous, while um snow; and Aaron looked upon Miriam, and, behold, alio was loprous. Num. 12. Had a Kenlto wlfo also. 11 Now Ilcber tho Kenlto, which was of tho children ot llobab tho fathar-ln-law of Mosvs, hud sovered himself from the Ko-nltes. Ko-nltes. Judg. i. Polygamous Parentage of Samuel. Polygumous parcntog of tho prophet Samuel: Sam-uel: 1. Now ther was a cnrtaln mon ot Ra-maIh-aIm-7.ophlm, ot Mount Ephrnlm. nnd his nnmo was Elkanah 2. And ho had two wives: tho name of tho ono was.Hanuah. and tho name of th other Funtnnah: and Penlnnah hud children hut Hannah hod no children. IS And they roso up In tho morning early, and worshipped beforo the l.ord. nnd returned, nnd came to their houso to Rnjuah- and Elkanah El-kanah knew Hannah his wlfo; and the Lord remembered her 1 Sam. 1. V0. Whereforo lt cumo-to paa. when tho tluio was como nbout nflur Hannah hod con-celved, con-celved, thnt sho bare a son nnd called hl.i namo Snmuel. saying. Becnuso 1 hao asked him of the Lord.-l Sam. 1. lil And Humuol grew nnd tho I,ord ' was with him, and did let nono of his wpnls fall to the ground. .0. And all Israel from Dan uvea to Beer-shaba, Beer-shaba, knew that Samuel was established to bo u prophet of tho lrd. 21. And tho Ixird nppearod again In Shlloh: for thu Lord revealed hlmsslf to Samuel In i-i.nv thu unnl nf tha Lord. 1 Sntn 3. "Polygamy Declared Kight." Polygamy rlj:ht In tho slht of God' 2. And Joash did lhat which was right In tho Bight of the I)rd all thu days of Jeholadn tho priest. .1. And Jeholadn took for him two wives, and ho bepat sons nnd daughters. IS But Jeholadn waxed old,' nnd was full of duys when he died; nn hundrod and thirty years old was he when ho died. 16. And they burled him In the oily of David among tho kings, because ho had dono good ln Isrncl. both toward Uod, and toward hlo house. 2 Ch. 21. Gideon's Family. Gideon's largo family not disapproved: 30. And Gideon had threescore and ten sons of his body begotten; for he had many wives. 32. And Gideon the son of Joash died In a good old nge. and was burled in sepulchro of Joash his father, In Ophrn of tho Abozrltcs. U And H came to pafR, ns soon a Gideon was dead, thai tho children ot Israel turned again, and went a whoring after Baalim, and made Banl-berlth their 'god-Judg. S Ordered to Take Two Wives. Hosea told by tho Lord to tako two-wives: 2. Tho beginning of tho word of tho Lord by Hoaca. And tho Lord said lo Hosea, Go, take unto theo a wlfo of whoredom's and children chil-dren of whoredoms; for tho land hath committed com-mitted great -whoredoms, departing from tho Lbrd. 3. So ho wont nnd took -Corner, tho daughter daugh-ter of Dlbllam; which concolved, nnd bare him a son Ho8. 1. 1 Then said tho Lord unto me, Oo yet, love a 'woman beloved of her friend, yet an adul-tereso, adul-tereso, according to tho lovo of tho Lord towards to-wards tho children of Israel, and look to other gods, and lovo flnconu of wine. 3. And I eald unto her, Thou shalt abldo fcr mo many days: thou shall nbt play thn harlot, and thou ehnlt not bo for another man; so will I also be for thee. Hos, 3. Polygamy Predicted. 1. And In that day seven women shall tako hold of one man, saying, Wo will . cat our own bread, nnd wear 'our own apparel: only lot us bo called by thy namo, lo toko away our reproach. , 2. In that day shall tho branch of tho Lord bo beautiful and glorious, and tbo fruit of tho earth shall bo excellent, nnd comely for them thnt aro escaped of IsracJ. 3. And It shall como to pass, that he that lo left ln Zlon, and he that rcmalneth In Jerusalem, Je-rusalem, shall he called holy, oven every ono that Is written among tho living In Jernralom. Isa. -t, Polygamy Implied. Polygamy Implied In the Savior's promises: 26. And ho eald unto thorn. Verily I say unto you. There Is no man that hath left houso or parents, or brethren, or wlfo, or children, chil-dren, for tho kingdom of God's sake. 0. Who shall not recelvo manifold moro In this present time, and In the world to corrt llfo everlasting. Luko IB, Abraham's works held up as an example: 33. Thoy answered and said unto him, Abraham Abra-ham la our father. Jesuir ,ralth unto them. It yo were Abraham's children, yo would do tho works of Abraham, 40. But now yo seek to kill me. a man that hath told you the truth, which I havo heard ot God: this did not Abraham. John 8. 11. And wo deslro that every ono of you do show tho samo dlllgcnco to tho full assurnnco of hope unto tho end: )2. That yo be not slothful, but followers ot them who through faith and patlcnco Inherit thn promises. 13. Fcr when God made promises to Abraham, Abra-ham, because ho could swear - by no greater, ho aware by himself. 14, Saying, Surely bler.slng I will bless thee, and multiplying 1 will multiply thee Heb. 0. No Condemnation of Polygamists. Note. Many more examples of polygamlsts might bo cited, with the Scriptural mention of whose names or acta thero is no word of condemnation. In a number of cases whero It Is not montioned thai mon had more than onu wife, wo are lound to Infer that such wai tho enso from the number of children they nro said to havo had. For example, Jnlr Is sdld to have hnd thirty rons (Judges x.. 4); Ibzan hnd thirty sons and thirty daughters, and Abdon hod forty sons (Judges vll., 3, 14) Theso wero Judges In Israel, nnd their nets seem to have gained the dlvlno approval. Tho number of tholr children Is mentioned as If It were an especial honor to havo largo families, which agrees with tho assertion of tho Psalmist Psalm-ist (Psalm cxxvll.. that "children nre an herltago of tho Lord," nnd "blessed Is ho that hath his quiver full of thorn."' Tho foot that a sentiment tho reverse of thla prevails to a great extent in mosi of the so-called "Christian" "Chris-tian" nations of tho presenl nge. Is only nn Indication that tho period of apostasy has arrived ar-rived which Hooca predicted (lv., 10). when ho said, ' they shall commit whoredoms and shall not Increase, becauso they have left off to. tnko heed to tho Lord." Tracing History. To find nny prohibition of twlygamy we must go to humnn rather than to dlvlno law, and If wo traco Its history to Its Inception wo will find that II originated In opposition to mnrrlago of nny kind. "Christianity" was nirde a stato religion In the year 321, when Constantino, after the dath ot Llclnluj. ruled I thu Roman Empire. It has been remurkc.t I that "however favorable the . protection of the civil mnglstrato wus at that' time, as well us In after times, to tho Christian religion, yet from hence wo must dalo thu misfortunes which havo attended the Interference of human hu-man power. In tho establishment ot humnn systems of faith and ceremony: the former of which havo been contrary to God's words, the latter utterly subvcrolvo of It." Among othor things which Contilantlnc did was to abrogate tho "ancient Roman lawn Julia and Papla wherein tho dcslro of women nnd married llfo wero so much privileged and encouraged, and single nnd unmarried life disadvantaged. " (Mcdo's Works.) Ancient Daw of Romans. Kozomon. nn ancient Greek hlRtorlan, says (Hist. Eccl. lib. I., chap. Ixl: 'There was an onclcnt law nmong tho Romans, forbidding those, who, after twenty-five years old. were unmarried, to enjoy tho like prlvllcgeM with married ones; and besides many other things, that they should have no bencllt by testaments testa-ments nnd legacies, unless they were next ot kindred; and thoso who hnd no children, to havo half their goods confiscated. Wherefore tho Emperor seeing thoso who for God's sake were nddlcted to cliustlty and virginity to be. for this cause. In n worse condition; he published pub-lished a law that both thoso who lived a single sin-gle life and those who hud no children, should enjoy llko privileges with others; yea, he enacted en-acted Ihul those who lived In chastity and virginity, vir-ginity, should be privileged abovo ihem; enabling ena-bling both sexes, though under. yearj, to make -testaments, contrary lo the uccustomed polity of the Romans." Sons Seconded Fathers. Mede says of this: "That which tho fathers hnd thus vliucted the sons also seconded, und Bomu of tho following emperors, by new edicts, till theru was no relic left of those ancient an-cient privileges wherewith married men hnd been respected. This was the first step" (ho mui mean by publlo authority of the government) govern-ment) "of tho disregard of murrlage. nnd the desire of wiving, which wna not an ubnoluiu prohibition, but a discouragement. No sooner had tho Roman bl,shop nnd his clergy got tho power Into thidr hands, bul It grew to an nb-i-olutu prohibition, not for monks only, but for the whole clergy; which was the highest disrespect thnt could bu to thai which Cod had made honorable among all men." First Daw Against Polygamy. "Thelyphthorn," a most exhaustive' work on the subject ot plural marriage, published nbout a century since, the author of which was tho leumed Dr. Murtn Mndan of Ixnlon, abounds wlih unanswerable arguments and historical citation which ur well worth reproducing, re-producing, but limited spaco forbids tho Insertion In-sertion here of any more thnn tho following- "Thu llrst publlo law In the fHomanv Empire ngalnst lwlygamy was nl tho lutler t'lid of thu fourth century, uboui tho year 393. hv thu Emperor TheodosltiH: this was icptnled'by tho Emperor Valenllnlnir about sixty years afterwards, after-wards, and tho subjects of tho emplro wore permitted tp marry uh many wives as thoy pleased." (Vol. 1. p. 211) "As for thu practice of polygamy amongst tho early Christians It was probably vi-ry frequent. So It would seem to have been In times long nftnr them, not only among tho laity, but thf clergy nleo; for ijpo Sylvester, Sylves-ter, about tho year 33J. nmdu an ordinance thut every priest should bo the husband or ono wlfu only. So In tho sixth century. It wns unacted In one of tho cimons of tholr councils, that If any one Is married to many wlvon. ho shall do penance. The learned Seidell , has proved In his Uxor Hnibralcu. that polygamy polyg-amy was allowed. not only among tho He-brows, He-brows, but amongst mont other nations throughout Ihe World; doubtless nmongsl tho Inhabitants of that vast truck of Asia throughout which tho gospel wns prenchfd by thu gri'Ut aiHjslltj of tio ' Gentiles, whero sj muuv Christian churches were planted, as well as In tho neighboring states ot Greco." (Vol. 1, pages 102-1'.'! ) . Condemned Marriage. "How polvgamy became reprobated ln tho Chrlsllun church is easily accounted" for, when we consider how curly the reprobation of niar-rlugu niar-rlugu itself begun to appeiir. Tho Gnosticn condemned mniTlngo In the mom shocking terms, saying It was of ihu duvll. Butter people peo-ple toon nflerwnrd eondemnod murrluge as unlawful lo Christians, and this under a wild notion of greater purify and perfection In keeping from nil Intercourse with tho othor box. This opinion divided Itsolf. Into mrdiy sicts, nnd uavu great trouble to tho churoh beforo It wna dl.countonunecd. SHU second marriages wore held Infamous, and cnllud no bettur thnn lawful whoredom. ?Jay, they wero not ashamed to write, that, u mun'o llrst wlfo being dead. It wns adultory nnd not marringo to ako another. Amidst ull this, polygamy must necessarily recolo tho severest sever-est nnathemo." (Pngo 231.) "So far from Jesus Christ over condemning polygamy, which ns a new lawgiver ho Is supposed to havo done, ho never mentlonod Ii during tho whole courso of his mlnlitry. but left that, ns ho had all other motal actions ac-tions of men. upon tho footing of that law under which ho was mado. ami to which he. for us mon, and for our solvation, became subject nnd obedlnt unto death, (Pago 3W.) "Our chief reformers, Luther, Melancthon, nucer, Zulngllus, otc, aft-r n nolomn consul-tullon consul-tullon nl WIttemborg on the question 'whether 'wheth-er for a man to havo two wives nt once, wns contrary to tho dlvlno lnw?' answered unanimously unani-mously 'thnt It wns not' and on this authority author-ity Philip tho Landgrava of Hcaso actually married a second wife, his first being alive." (Pago 212.) Tho langunge of this council was "Tho Gosp'd huth neither recnlled por forbid what was permitted In tho law of Motes with respect to inunlnge." "Wo do not womhlp tho same God which tho Jews did, or tho Cod we worship doth not disallow nor disapprove polygamy." (Page 2S9.) Mosephus says It was tho custom of the Jews to llv with a plurality ot wives lh custom of - their country derived from tholr fathers." (Pago 392.) "The Jews and Grcoks wero wont to be married mar-ried to two or three, and oven more wives together. to-gether. (Pago 211.) Polygamy Practiced. "That polygamy was practiced throughout all ngen of ihe JuwUh oeonomy, cannot bo de-n.u de-n.u It Is equally evident, that It was tho deliberate, de-liberate, opon, avowed, and willful prnctlco of . w most holj" ana excellent of the earth, ot Abraham, tho father ot the faithful, tho friend of God (Is. xll,, 8), n well as of the most Illustrious of his children; and this, without tho least reproof or rebuke from God; or tho most distant hint or expression of his displeasure cither br Moses or nny other ot tho prophets. No trace of norrow, remorse, or repentance, touching this matter. Is to be found In any ono Instance, and therefore many commentators nro at a loss to maintain tho sinfulness of polygamy, bul at tho expense of Scripture, reason and common sense." (Pago 83.) "That there wero many polygamlsts nmong tho Gontllo converts, ns well as nmong tho Jewish, there can bo but little doubt; for a. Groltuu observes. 'Among tho Pagans, few nutlons worn content with ono wife.' " (Pages 213-244.) "If women tnken by men nlrcady man-led wero not lawful wives In God's sight, then commerce with them was Illicit, nnd tho Ipsuo must bo Illegitimate. Whllher will this carry us? Even to bnntnrdlzlng tho Messiah himself. him-self. Unless an after-taken wife ho a lawful wlfo to the man who takes her, notwithstanding notwithstand-ing his former wife being llvlnc whether wo tako our Lord's genealogy on his supposed father's side with St. Matthew, or on hi.' mother's ldo with St. Luke. Solomon tha ancestor an-cestor of Joseph, and Nathan thu ancestor of Mar', through whom our Lord'ii lino runs bnck to David, being the children of Bath-shoba Bath-shoba (whom when David married, ho had also other wives by whom ho had children), must fall In tholr legitimacy." (Vol, 2. p. 11.) "Dispensation of God." "That polygamy and concuhln.ngo were both dispensation of God. both modes of lawful and honombln marriage. Is a proposition ns clear as tho Hebrew pcrlpturcn can mako It That iolygnmy and concublnary contrncta aro deemed by tho Christians null nnd void, and stamped with tho Infamy of adultery nnd whoredom. Is ns certain as that tho canoiu .and decrees of tho Church ot Ronm mndo them so. Tho consequencen of the former wero tho preservation of female cho-Mlly. and the prevention pre-vention of femnlf" ruin. The consequences of tho Intter have been nnd still are iho destruction de-struction of thousands of both eexes, but more especially the females, In this world and tho next" (Vol. 3, pp. 273. 279.) Grotlus says: "Thn Jewish law restrains nil fllthlness. but allowa a plurality of wives to ono man." And acnln- "When God permlta a thing In certain cases and to certain perrons, per-rons, or In regnrd lo certain nntloni. It may be Inferred that thu thing permitted Is not evil In lis own nature. Polygamy, thf-rr-foro. Is not ln Its own nature, evil and unlawful." Ho also quotes I'erslchta Sioter-tha Sioter-tha as saying. "It In very well known that those who protend a plurality of wives was prohibited, do not understand what tho law Is." St Augustine says- "Thcro was a blameless custom of ono man having many wives for there aro many things which at that tlmo might bo dono In a wny of duty, which now cannot be done but licentiously because, for thu sake of multiplying iostcrlty, no law for-lwde for-lwde a plurality of wives." Again he says-"It says-"It Is objected against Jacob that ho had four wives." to which ho replied- "which, when a custom was not a crime." In nnother In-slnuco In-slnuco ho alludes to tho custom of having several sev-eral wives nl tho same tlmo an an "Innocent thing,'' and observes that "It was prohibited by no law." Polygamy of the Fathers. Pu-ffcndorf eays' 'The polygamy of the fathers under the old covenant lu a reaon which Ingenuous' men must confons to be unanswerable." un-answerable." Again ho wiys: "Tho Mimical Mimi-cal law was so far from forbidding this custom cus-tom that It seems In somo places to suppose It." St. Ambrose, speaking of polygamy, says that "God. In the terrestrial parudlse. approved ap-proved of the mnrrlago of ono with one, but without condemning iho contrary practice." St. Chrysoslom, speaking of Sarah, says: "Sho endeavored to comfort her husband, under un-der her barrenness, with children by her hnndinald, for such things weru not then forbidden." for-bidden." Again he says. "Tho law permitted a man to havo two wives nt tho same time. )n short, great indulgence was granted In thoso and other particulars." Bucor, thu great reformor, says: "Tho csn-cublnes csn-cublnes of tho holy fathers wore, of thu lawful kind. And because the Lord will, that tho dignities nnd patrimonies which ho haa conferred con-ferred on his peoplo should bo preserved, It Is altogether to be wished, that this kind of wfo, as observed among the holy patriarchs, might be again observed nmong Christians, and especially In great and Illustrious families. fami-lies. " Bcllarmlno says: "Polygamy Is not repugnant repug-nant to tho law of nature, which Is divine, that ono man might beget and bring up children chil-dren by more women than one." Noldlus. the eminent Danish theologian of the seventeenth century, says: "The old saints who wero polygainlsta did not sin beforo be-foro God. because th-y had a special and extraordinary ex-traordinary dispensation." Zulngllua eays- "Thu apostles hnd mado no new law about iKlygamy, but had left It as they found It." Theodorel says that "In Abraham's tlmo po-hgainy po-hgainy was forbidden nelthor by tho law of nature nor by any written law," "As for thu modi-m Jews." says I .-co Mutl-nensls. Mutl-nensls. "those of them who live In ihe East still keep up their ancient practice ot pjlygu- my." Say Polygamy Was Duty. Bishop Burnet sas: "Polygamy was made, la somo cases, a duty by Moses' law; when nny died without Issue, his brother, or nearest near-est kinsman, wus to mnrry his wlfo. for raising rais-ing up seed to him; und all were obliged to oboy this under tho huzurd of Infnmy If they refused; neither Is there any exception for such as wero mnrrlcd: from whenco I may conclude, that what God made necessary ln somo cuaes. to any degree, can In no case be sinful In Itself, since. God Is holy In all his ways. And thus far It appeant thnt iMilyga-my iMilyga-my hi not conlrury to thu law and uuluro of ipnrrlnco." Lord liollngbroke. In his published "Works" kays: "Polygamy hus ulways prevailed, nnd ulll! prevails generally. If not universally, as a reusonublo Indulgence to mankind. Polygamy was ullowed by tho Mosalcal law and was authorized by God himself Tho prohibition nf' polygamy Is not only a prohibition pro-hibition of wbiil nutuio permits In thu fullest manner, but of what sho lequlrcs for tho rep-nialloll rep-nialloll of Htatos exbuusted by wars, by plagues, und other calamities. Tho prohibition is ubsurd. and thu Imposition" (of monogamy) "aibltrnry If It" (monogamy) "was tho most perfect state there Is reason for wonder won-der huw tho most lHjrfet kind came to bo established es-tablished by an uninspired lawgiver among tho nations, whilst tho least perfect kind" (olyg-tiniy) (olyg-tiniy) "had been established by Moces the messenger ami prophet of God, among hla chosen people." Milton, In tho "Klrat Book on Christian Faith " amply proven, from the Scripture, tho lawfulness of iolygamy. and concludes as follows: fol-lows: "Who can believe, either tlml bo many men of tho highest character should have ulnned through Ignorance for so muny ages; or that their hearts should have been ro hardened; har-dened; or that God vhould hnve tolerated such conduct ln his people? I.t therefore thu rule received among theologians havo tho namo weight hure as In other ruses. The practice-ot practice-ot the Sulnts Ih tho best Interpretation of tho J commandments.' " Says Christ Was Silent. I "The marrlugo system of polygamy never foniKil a pari of that ceremoulul dlsponsutlan which was abrogated by tho Now Testament; nor bus It over been proved that the New Testament wns designed to uffuet any change lu It: but lliu prrxuniptlou Is that this now dispensation haf ulsv left It, n.s it found It abiding still In force If nny change wen- to bo made In nn Institution of such long standing, stand-ing, confirmed by onltlu law. It could obviously ob-viously bo made only by equnlly podllvo nnd fxplielt ordinances or enactments of the gus-pel. gus-pel. But such enactments nro wanting. Chrlft hlmielf wns altogether Mlcnl In reaped to polygamy, not onco ulludlng to It: yel It wbm prncllced at tho lime of his advent throughout through-out Judea and Galilee, and In nil tho other countries of Asia und "Afrlcu. and without doubt, by somo of his own dleclple. "Tho Book of tho Acts Is equally pllont as tho four Gospels are. No ulluelon to 11 M found ln uny ot iho sermons ur Inetrucllon.M or tllscusHlons of the upostles nnd early saints recorded In that lxok. It w:ih not because Jesus or tho upostles ilumt not condemn It. had they considered it sinful, thul they did not speak of It, for Jtsus hckltutcd not to denounce de-nounce thu sins of hypocrisy, coveiousnrs. and adultery, and even to niter and amend, apparently, the ancient laws respecting divorce and rutallntlon; but ho never rebuked them for their polygamy, nor Instituted uny chungo In thnt system. And this uniform sllonce, m fnr ns It Implies nnythlng. Implies approval. "John tho Baptist wus thrown Into prlscn. whero he wns afterwards beheaded, for reproving re-proving King Herod, on account of hli adultery; adul-tery; and wo cunnbt doubt that If he luid considered polygamy to bo sinful, ho would havo mentioned It; for Herod's father was.i Just before that time, living with nlno wives, whote names arn recorded by Jesonhus. In his 'Antiquities of the .lows'; bul John only reproved re-proved lilm for marrying Ilerodla?, his brpther Philip's wlfo, while his brother wns living, lie administered thw snme reproof lo Herod that N'nthnn had formerly dono to David, nnd for slmlhir reasons." History and Philosophy ot Marrlaco. Brigham FT. Roborts's Works. Now I call attention to the work cntlUcd Mormonlsm. Tho Relation of the Church to Christian Sects. Origin and Hlstorv of Mormonlsm. Doctrines of tho Church. Church Organization. Present Status." By U. II. Roberts. Published by tho Church. Deaeret News Print, Salt Lake City." That Is tho title page. On pago C5 of this document appears tho Btatement -The Chairman. Mr Tnyler. as to B. IT. Roberts, referred to there. What Roberts Is that? Mr. Taylor That Is Erlgham H. Roberts, Rob-erts, if thnt Is any more definite. Senator Bailey, Who wns onco refused permission to take his oath as a Representative? Repre-sentative? The Chairman Is that the Roberts? Mr. Taylor. That Is the same one, I believe, be-lieve, Senator Ballcy, Senator Bnlley. I voted to scat him. Mr. Taylor. Yes, I know. J?" p',l?. 11 appears that the date of this publication was 1002. On the opposlto sldo of the leaf from tho title aro theso words: 'Copyrighted by Joseph F. Smith for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Salnti." 0n th.e llS31 pnse la "A word with tho render. The opening scntenco Is as follows: fol-lows: TJ?1" b,rocbtlro Is issued under the authority of tho Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day bnints It in thereforo an authoritative utterance ut-terance upon the subject of which II treato." Origin, History of Mormonism. i1 IJ0W ,?''in frorn PQEC 31, undor the chapter "Origin and history of Mormonlsm: Mormon-lsm: . "An arulo It has ben the policy of sec tnrinn ministers to denounco the Mormon leaders, lead-ers, whom the Mormon peoplo hold ln highest esteem for Iholr unselfish devotion to tho ccn-ernl ccn-ernl welfare of tho church, and tho purity nnd integrity of their lives; nnd Instead of hearing hear-ing whnt sectarian people would consider th moro puro doctrines of tho Christian rclklon expounded. Mormons wero treated to a deri . n oft.holr own faUh t0 them sacred and divine. di-vine. Tho Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-nay Latter-nay Saints being nttaclced by these parlies both political and religious (and they generally made common cause against tho Mormons) the M&rmon neoplo wero compelled to unllo for solf-presxrvatlon, and hence arose In I'tnh whnt must ever be regarded as an anomaly In American politics, viz., a church nnd anti-church anti-church party. 'This led many honest people to the supposition suppo-sition that Mormons believed In the union of church and stato under our form of government; govern-ment; which, however, has no oilier foundation founda-tion for It than thco secmlngs which nroso from tho conditions here explained The unnatural un-natural and undesirable contest was continued contin-ued until It was seen thai such n course was rctnrdlng tho material Interests of the Territory, Terri-tory, nnd wns hindering Utah from taking tho political station In the Union to which both tho resources of the Territory and tho character charac-ter of her people entitled her. TVI&er counsels prevailed; the unprontablo conUlct between church and anti-church party wns abandoned, and all united in a domand for Statehood, which finally wns granted, Utah being admitted admit-ted into tho Union ln tho year 1S?5." Revelations to Come. Pngc -15, paragraph IX. The heading ot that paragraph Is this: "Wo bollcvo all that God ha revealed, all thnt he doea now reveal and we believe thnt ho will yet reveal many great and Important things pertaining to the kingdom of God." And It reads as follows: "From this Is will bo neon that the Latter-dnl Latter-dnl Saints aro asfar from believing thnt the fountain of revelation Is dried up as they are thai tho Blblo alone contains all the rovola-llons rovola-llons God has given to man. Tho theory that revelations, the visitations of angels, the enjoyment en-joyment of tho spirit of prophecy, were all to ceaBO when i.iu church of Christ was fully established by the ministry of thu apostles, is ono of the Inventions ot the npostate churches to excuno the absence of these dlvlno spiritual powera In tho godless Institutions which usurped tho place of the church of Christ long centuries ago. "In tho faith of the Latter-day Saints. It Is lo privilege and right of the church of Christ for ever lo bo In continuous and constant spiritual spir-itual communication with her spouse, the Lord; which, howover, she can only possess by the enjoyment of continuous revelation, the visitation of angels, and tho possession of the Holy Ghost, which Is the testimony of 'Jesus, which Is the spirit ot prophecy. Instead of teaching that tho day of revelation and the visitation of angels has ceased. It Is the mission mis-sion of the church to bear witness that these spiritual privileges nro to be moie nnd moro enjoyed, until all things In heaven and In earth shall be gathered together In one. In Chrlsl Jesus our Izard; and to proclaim to tho world thai It Is the morning rather thnn tho evening of revelation from God to man, and that as tho heavens are full of days, so too aro they full of llcht and knowledge to be revealed re-vealed unto tho' children of men in God's own due time; and while tho Church of Jesus Christ of Ijittcr-dny Saints reverently believer ull that God hns revealed, as well to men In tho Western hemisphere as to men In tho Kastern world, sho looks confidently forward to still greater revelation In the future than has been given ln the past." Pago 48, chapter XII. The Italicized words are, I believe, part of the creed. Senutor Beverldgy. Mr. Tayler, what Is this that you aru now reading from designed de-signed to show? I see the pertinence of thv former things, but what Is the pertinence perti-nence of thla you are reading now? Mr. Tuyler. What I have just read? Senator Beverldge. The wholo thing von had read In the book. What Is the point you are trying to establish? Taylor Explains. Mr. Taylor. I have conceived It Is Important Im-portant for us to understand what wns the meaning of their dogma of revelations and constant communication and contact with tho Almighty I concolve that that Is avery Important thing, u.x Indicating tho power and Authority of the church, as accepted ac-cepted by Its people, nnd the domination of one who claims to have received divine di-vine revelations over those who arc supposed sup-posed to be subject to them when received. re-ceived. Senator Bevertdge. That would apply then equally to any member uf this church? Mr. Tayler It might. Senator Beverldge. So that If you con-slder con-slder that point valid, then any member of this church could not be ill to sit ns h United Stutt'H Senator, so far as this pai-tlcular pai-tlcular quotation Is concerned and the point you wish to establish by If Mr. Tayler. Xo; It wouid not apply with anything llko equal force to a member of iho church ils to un apostle, becauso surely whatever anybody In the church can believe or stand for an uposlle must stand for; but we havo already heard from Mr. Smith of the liberty of con. science and belief with which the bodv of the church may be properly endowed. This Is chapter XI T. "Wo believe In bolng subject to kings, presidents, pres-idents, rulers und inuglstrntvs. In obeying, honoring und sustaining tho law." And on page -19 at the bottom of the page, nfter quoting on tho subject of obedience obe-dience to laws. the text-Is: "Such have been and are the views of the Latter-day Saints relutlvu to Iiiwh und Kovern-iiicnts Kovern-iiicnts In general, and man's duty to obey tho constituted authority of civil uuvoriiiuetiC. If lu the history of- the church thero has been uny apparent deviation from iho prlnolo'os here unnouneed, und whlrh ' havo botn proclaimed pro-claimed by the church, at least from the year 18.U, when they were adopted by the spiritual iiulliorlllex of thu church ul ICIrtlund. O., It has been for tho reason that law's have been enacted against tho practice of i-oIIkIouh principles prin-ciples which God rnvealcd to Ills church; and upun tho litlor-diiy Saints devolved tho duty of contending In a lawful munner for tho right to piuctlcn ili principles which God haa revealed re-vealed lo thern. ns well us to believe them. I'ndor such circumstances only hus there been any (.Tin tile I between the Church of Jesus Christ if Latter-day Snnts nnd the civil nu- tnoruies oi nny kuhtimihjii Mavriago System Church. On page ul- "Tho man-Inge system of the church." I rCnd from the bottom of the page: "In such a presentation of Mormonlsm ns it Is desired this brochure shall be, something of liicomplctencss would attnch to It If nothing bo rnid concerning the murrlago eystom of tho church. In common with the Chrlstlun l-ccts tho Latter-day Saints In tho early years of tho church's existence, regarded marriage vaguely as nn Institution to oxlsi In this world only, und innrrlcd as Chrlstlnn professors now do until denth doth them pnrt; but by the revelation rev-elation on marriage given through Iho prophet Joseph Smith the Saints learned that In celestial celes-tial spheres the marriage, rolatlon exists elerw i:ully: nnd lhat tho pleasing Joys of family ties nnd associations, coupled with the power of endless Increase, contributes to tho power, nnpplncss nnd dominion of thoo who attain to the celestial glory. "What a revelation wnn this. Inslcnd ot the God-given power of procreation Iwlug one of tho things to pnsa away. II U one of tho chief means of mun's-exallallon. and glory lu eternity- Through It men attain lo tho glory of un endless Ircrcaso ot eternal lives, nnd the right ot presiding as priest nnd patriarch king and lord, over his over Increasing iwstorlty. Instead of thn commandment 'Multiply nnd replenish re-plenish tho earth' bolng nn unrlghtcout law, to bo regarded askauco, and as something ovil, , ; It- Is one by which -tho raco of man Is to be -oternally perpetuated; and Is as holy and puro ns tha commandment 'Itopcnt and bo bap- b liiiiH tized.' " j i jH Going to the bottom bf pago W: 1 "Celestial marrlnge also Includes under cer-tain cer-tain conditions, restrictions and obligations, a' 1 plurality ot wives. Such prominence Indeed haa been given to this fenturo of tho morrlago ' eyntem of tho church thnt to a great extent It i noa obscured tho grandeur and Importance of tho principal of tho eternity of tho marrlaco ' covenant. Plurality of wives, of courso, was "J Kloat nn Innovation in tho marriage system - 1 IjgaH or the world as marrlago for eternity was. It i I com In conflict, too. only not with tho edu- , IB cation and traditions of the modern world, but niiiH in conflict with tho prejudices of tho Salnti I oa-sH themselves; yet God had commanded Its Intro- I laaiH ductlon Into the world, nnd though the preju- i . IsiiH dices of the Saints revolted ncalnst It. tho i faithful to whom It waa revealed resolved to. I . IH obey It. and In tho Introduction of this rrlncl- 'M pie of the marringo system of the church, the lijaiH ProphOt Joseph Smith hlmsnlf Inrt thn ifv " IIUM Woodruff Manifesto. l IH Then rollowo a statement, historically l1 I correct, I do not doubt, referring to tho passage of the several laws and the de- i , clslon of the court, nnd tho prosecution oC j iH many persons for polygamy and polyga-: moits cohabitation and ilnally, on page C6. ! I at tho bottom: "Meantime Government wns rolenlless. and I siui moro stringent measures than those al- reaoy pnaeted wero threatened. In tho midst HBfl of there afflictions and threatening portents., ! 1 resident Wllford Woodruff besought the Lord! In prayer, and the Lord Inspired him to Issue the manifesto which dUcontinucd tho proc- 1 tlce of plurnl mnrrlago. At tho semi-annual ! eonferenco In October following, the action of ' rresldent Woodruff wns sustained by unanl- ; i, rnous voto of the conference, and plural i , marriage wero dlocontlnued In thn i I w . In the roster of plural marriage, , tho Latter-day Saints nre neither responsible 1 for Its Introduction nor for Its discontinuance. i I The Lord commanded Its practlco nnd In thn face of the sentiment of ngos. nnd in oppoid- ' Hon lo th teachings of their own traditions, j many of the Halnts obeyej the commandment.' and In the midst of wcakners, difficulties and . dnngcrs sought to carry out thnt law as re- I . vealed to thorn j , "If the labors nnd Bufferings of the church I of- f.hrlst Tor this princlplo have dono nothing more, this much at least has been nccom- r pushed the Saints havo horne testimony to ! HBH the truth. And ll Is for God lo vindicate hla 1 own law,and open th way for its establish- 1 ' mcnt on the earth, which doubtless ho will do ' , when his kingdom shall como In power, and i when hU will shall bo dono In earth as It la In heaven." I Mr Worthlngton. Tou have omitted certain pnssnges on that pngc. Will you i I put It all In" I 1 HBS Five Chapters in Evidence. ' BVfl Mr. Tayler Oh. vos: It will all be put' 1 In by the reporter. Chapters IX to XIII ! aro as follows: MH W believe, all that Cod has revealed, all that ho dees now reveal, and wo believe that I no will yet reveal many great and Important things pertaining to tho kingdom of God. . ! , From this It will be -seen thnt tho .Latter- : 1 day Saints n.-a as far from believing thai tho . fountain ot revelation is dried up as they aro : ' that the Bible alone contains all the revela- i llonn God has given to man. Tho theory that revelations, the visitations of angels, tho en- I 1 Joymunt of the spirit of prophecy, wero all to cense when the church ot Chrlet wns fully cs- I 1 tnbllshed, by tho ministry of the apostles. Is H ono of the Inventions of the apostnto churches IH to excuso the absence of theso dlvlno spiritual IJH powers lu tho godless Institutions which 'H usurped the placo of tho church of Christ long i IH centuries ago, ll In tho faith of the Latter-day Saints U Is tho 'H prlvllcgo and right of tho church of Christ for over to be ln continuous nnd constant spiritual ! 1 H communication with her spouse, tho Lord; I which, however, sho can only possess by tho i enjoyment of continuous revelation, the vlsl- ' tatlon of ang:ls, and the possession of thv ' Holy Ghcst. which Is tho testimony of Jesus. which Is the spirit of prophecy. Instead of teaching that tho day of rovelallon and the H visitation of angels has ceased, It Is tho mis- ' ll slon pf the church to bear witness that Iheso I H 3.lrltual privileges arc to bo more nnd moro IH onjnycd. until nil things In heaven and In i IH earth Miall b. gathered together in one. In I Christ Jesus our J-ord; and to proclaim to thn j iH world 'that It Is lh morning ralhcr than tho il evening of revelation from God to man: and I B that as the henvens are full of dayi, xo too 1 H an they full of light and knov.itdgo to bo re- j il verh-d unto the children of men In God's own I , H duo time- and while tho Church of -Jesus lH Chrlsl of Latter-day Saints rcvtrintly bclloven all thnt God has revealed, qj well to men In IH tno Western hemisphere ns to mn ln the ' world, shi looks confidently forward i J to still greater revelations In the future thnn hns been given In the past. ' IH (Latter Dny Revelations: Isa. xxvlll. 10, 13; I IH Acts 11. IT, IS; Mai. 111. . 4; Mal, lv.; Isa.'xl ; Kzek. xx. 33. ZS. Matt. xxlv. :tl; Rev. xlv, C, ' H 7; Joel II. 3. 32; Heb. 1. G; Zech. xlv.) j1 1 1 ' H We bellevo in. the literal gathering of Israel, IH and ln the restoration of the ten tribes: that I JH Zlon will bo built upon this (tho American) i IH continent; thai Christ will reign personally iH upon the earth, and that tho earth will bo i'MI renewed and recelvo lla paradisiacal glory. , Notwithstanding Israel and Judah have bon , , IH scattered, their templo destroyed and lhlr I I H chief city trodden down of tho Gentiles, the H remnant of this favored people of God, ac- cording to tho promises of the Lord, nro to In H gathered together again and established upon ) H tho lands given by covenant unto their fore- i IH fathers. The keys necessary for Iho lnaugura- lion of this work were given to the prophet ; I H Joseph Smith, nnd the work nt gathering to- ' H gethcr the outcasts of Israel has begun. r H Relative to the establishment of '.'.on ln tho ' H land of America that la a matter that 1 re- H venled In the Book of Mormon and In tho rev- IH elatlons of God to the prophet Joseph Smith. ; In thu latter it Ih made known that tho cen- tcr placo of Zlon. the Holy City of this land i IH of America, will be located ln Juckson county, , IH Missouri, where the town of Independence now j i H stunds. Karly In tho history of the church I ' H ln thu summer of 1S31 this land was dedicated to the Lord to be the gathering plnco of tbi Hl Saints, and the situ for tho templn wan chos- 1 I en. Tho personal reign of Christ on earth, tho ( reuewnl of tho earth Into Its paradisiacal glory ur6 all malter. of prediction even In. tho New i ' Testament scriptures. The Latter-day Saints ' H look forward to thu literal fulfillment ot those I B promises und they bellevo thai thu reign uf ; IH Christ will be a literal one. nnd lhat Mes.ilah H will dwell with his people. ! H (Gathering of Israel In the Last Days: Je-r. 1 IH XXX-.; Isa. xllli. &. !; Jer. xxxl. ; Jer. xxill. 37; Jl I?a. xllx. 1.'. ?fl; Isa. xl. 10, IS; Zcch. x. ;, li; . IH Zech. xlv.; Jer. xxill. 3, S; liek. xxxvlil.; fl IjH Kzek. xxxlx.) il (Itelcn of Christ on Earth: Ijaiah lxv. 17. . H 20; Isa. xxlv. 23; Isa. II. 3; Dnn. vll. 13. 14. I IH II. Thi-H. II 1, 3. Rev. xl. 15; Rev. xx. 4, 6; ( M Wo claim the privilege of worshiping Al- lll mighty God according to tho dictates of our 'll own conscience, nnd allow all men the sumo ll privilege, let them worship how, where or il whnt they may. ' ' This claim Ih mndo In tho Interest of the po IH lltlcal Jind civil rights of the Saints rather , HH than us the announcement of u religious doc- '' jH trluc: and It is to bo observed thai the Saints IH concede to others the political nnd civil rlKhtx JlH which they claim for themselves. While It ) H may bo true In thc.vs modern day, as It was IH of undent times, that the proclamation of tho IH rollglon of Jesus Christ has brought not pcuco , IH but "n sword" Into tho yorld. ' utUl thn H ''sword" has ever been found In tho hands of Hl these who have been opikjkovI to the rellclon , JH of the Saints, never ln tho hands of the I -at- ' ler-dny Salute, save In thu way of bdf-de- i H Tho Salpt have never believed that they 1 H had uny right 'und certulnly they never havo IH had the power) to enforce their bcPef upon 1 jH nny pt-oplo except to the extent of their ability ' H to persuade them of It truth. Indeed ll In iH part of the doctilnc nf tho church that "No ' M IKiwer or InDut-nce can or ought to ho main- IH tallied by virtue, ot tho priesthood" (under jH which power thn church work Is accomplished) hH "only by iwreiirLMlon. by long suffering, by gen- llH tleneA and meekness, nnd by love unfeigned. 1 ll by klndne.-j, and by pure knowledge, which IH shall grcully enlarge thu soul without hypocrl- i IH sy und without guile." Doc. und Cov., sec, H We Ixillcve In being subject to kings, preal- i 'H dents, rulers, nnd rnuidsttatcs. ln obeying, H honoring und sustaining thn law. . In this nrtlcle they confess their obligations VH tn civil government. "Wo bellevo that govern- ' H ments were Instituted of God for thn bencllt of H man, and that ho holds- men accountable ' for ' H their nets In relation to Ihem. cither ln ma- H king luws or administering them, for tho good H und safety of society H "Wc bellevo that no government enn exist IB ln pence, except such Inwa nre framed nnd ' IH hold Invlolaio nn will secure to each Individual t IH the free exorcise of conscience, tho right and i IH control of property, nnd tho protection of life. IH "Wu believe thnt nil necessarily rcqulru civil IH officers und magistrates to enforce the laws H of the same, nnd thnt such as will administer IH the law In equity und Justice, should be sought JH for nnd upheld by the voice ot tho peoplo (If I H a republic) nr tho will of the sovereign. H 'c believe thai religion Is Instituted ot ! ll God. and thnt men are amenable to him. and ( , ll to hlm only, for thn exorcise of It, unlets tholr t IH religion opinions prompt them to Infringe v IH uik)i tho rlisht and liberties of others; but we I IH do not believe thul humnn law has a right to 1 H lnlei of ero In prescribing rules of wortdilp to H bind tho consciences of men. nor dlclato H forms for publlo or prlvato devotion; that the H civil mnglstrato should restrulu crime, but ( 1 norer control conscience; should punish i guilt, bqt never suppress tho freedom of the 'oui -Vo believe thnt all men arc. bound te sustain and uphold 'ho resprctlvo bo cm-ments cm-ments In which thoy rcsldo, whllo Pro, jn. their inherent and Inalienable rlKhta by the Inws of ttuch governments; and thai so-dlllon so-dlllon and rebellion aro """'""nuniBhrn izen thus protected, and should to punieneu accordingly; and that rill governments hi 0 Went to enact such laws as In tholr own Judgment are, best calculated to uro " public InteW. at the same time Iiowoer. holding sacred tho freedom of conscloiic. "Wc bollovo that every man should be non-orcd non-orcd In his station; rulers and mni: tne as such, being placed for the protection of trie. Innocent, and tho punishment of tho gullO" nnd that to tho laws, all men ouu respect and deference, as without them peace-and peace-and harmony -would bo supplanted by "inrch and terror; human lawn being Instituted for the cxprew purposo of regulating our lnter-cBtn lnter-cBtn as Individuals and nations, between man and man; and divine laws given of heaen. proscribing rules on spiritual concerns, ror faith and worship. loth to bo answered b -nan to his maker." Doc. and Cow. sec. 1M. 1 Such have been and are the views of thn Latter-day Saints relative to laws and go-erjunents go-erjunents In general, and man's duty to obc tho constituted authority of civil overn-menL overn-menL If In the history of tho church there has been .any apparent deviation from the principles here announced, and which nave been proclaimed by the church at least from the year 1SS3. when they were adopted by tho spiritual authorities of the church nt IKrtland. O., It has been for the reason thnt laws have been enacted ngnlnst the practice of religious principles which Gol revealed to His church; nnd upon the ratter-day Saints devolved tho duty of contending In a lawful manner for the right to practico tho prln-clples prln-clples which God has revealed to them, as -well ns to bflllcvo thorn. Under such clrcunv stances only has there been any conflet bi-tweon bi-tweon the church of Jesus Christ of Lnttor- j day Saints nnd the civil authorities of any H government. We bollovo In being honest, true, chafte. 1 benevolent, virtuous, and In doing- Rood to H all men; Indeed, wo may say that we follow the admonition of Paul- "We believe all things, we hope all things." wo have endured 1 many things, and hope to bo able to enduro all things. If thtro Is anything irtuouH, ldvely, or ot good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things. This has to do with the ethical part of their religion, but the artlclo Is In Itself o com-prnhcnslvc. com-prnhcnslvc. direct and clear, that It does not require cither enlargement or explanation. Under this heading I propose to brledy dl3-cuss dl3-cuss tho question, of tho application ot the gospel to IhoM who lived when It wos not In the earthi or when In the earth was not preached to them. It Is apparent that such conditions as here nlludcd to huvn existed, and the question. What Is the condition of those who have not heard tho gospel preached In this carth-ltfo Is both Intonating nnd Im-prrtant. Im-prrtant. It tntiat be clear that Ihote nations H nnd rnccs hero referred to have whip clnlm 1 upon God, and slnco tho Christian religion niwumcs, nnd thnt rightly, to teach tho only way of salvation. It devolves upon the Chrls-llan Chrls-llan secta to clvo some reasonnblo explana-tlon explana-tlon of this matter. In what way will tho gospel bo applied to the unlnstructcd dead? The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints otters a rational solution to this prob- lem In her doctrine of "salvation fcr the B Prom a remark mndo In the writings of the Apostlo Tctcr wc loam thnt after tho Mccslah was put to death In the ilcsh "he went nnd preached unto tho spirits In prison, which Ebmetlmo were obedient, when onCc ,'i long-suffering long-suffering of God waited In tho days of Noah ' 1 During tho three days, then, thnt the Mcb- B tlnh s body lay In the tomb nt Jeruyalem, HIo H spirit wan In thf world of spirits preaching 1 to those who had rejected the teaching of 1 righteous Noah. The Christian traditions, no 1 Iom than tho scriptures, hold thnt Christ went Hl Into hell nnd pmached to thoso there held In 1 wnni Xct only is the mere fact of Messiah's going to tho spirits In prison stated In the H scriptures, but the purposo of Ills going there Is learned from thn scmo source "For this cause was the gospel preached also to them that arc dead, thnt they might be Judged, ac-"HHm ac-"HHm cording to men In the flesh, but llvo accord- Ihg to God In tho spirit " "H This manifestly means that the spirits who "HHH hnd onco rejected tho counecls of God against thomselves had the (pScipel again presented tn "fl them and had tho privilege of living accord- "HHHH lng to Its precepts In the spirit llfo; and of being Judged according to men In the flcph, or ns men In the flesh will n Judged' thnt Is. "HH according to the degree of their faithfulness "HHm to the preecptn of the gospel. It should he on- served from tho foregoing scrlpturn that even to thoso who had rcjectil tho gospel In the "HHHH days of Noah It was again presented by the "HH ministry of the 1ord Jesus Christ, upon which consideration tho following reflection forces """""""I Its.Mt upon tho mind viz. If the gospel Is preached again to thoso who have once rc-Jcctcd rc-Jcctcd It, how much sooner will It bo pre-sented pre-sented to to thoso who never heard It who ""H lived In those generations when neither the "HH gospel nor tho authority to administer the ""1 ordinances were in tho earth? Seeing that "H those who had rejected It had It again ""B preached to thpm after paying the pennlty for their disobedience), surely Uiose who lived whr.n It v:aa not upon the earth or who, when "HH It was upon tho earth perished In Ignorance of It, will much rooner come t6 salvation ""H The manner In which the ordinances of the gospel may bo ndmlnlntered to thono who have "H died without hnving received them Is plalnly Btated by Paul, Writing to the Corinthians ""H on tho subject of tHo resurrection correcting ""H those who said thcro was no resurrection he "H aeks: "Elso what shall thcy dn which nro baptized for tho dead. It the dead arise not nt nil? Why are they then baptised for tho ""H dead?" In this tho npostle manifestly refers to the practico which existed nmong the Christian saints ot tho living being baptized "B for the dend: and argues from tho cxlstcnco of that practice thnt tho dead must rise, or "HH "why tho necessity of being baptized for them? This pawage of tho 6cripturo of Itcelf In sufTl-clent sufTl-clent to establish tho fact that such an ordl-nance ordl-nance as baptUm for tho dead was known ""1 nmojig the ancient salnta. "H In the present dispensation of the gospol committed to tho earth through the rovela-"H rovela-"H tlons of God to the Prophet Joseph Smith, this "HHH application of the ordinances of the gospel to "H tho dead has been a special feature. Among j tho earliest revelations given to tho prophet. even before thu church itself was organized. nM ,ono ln w,lch tho promise was renewed m that k given In tho word of tho Lord through 1 Malachl. viz: "Behold, I will send you Elijah "1 'ho prophot beforo tho coming of tho great find, dreadful day of the Lord; nnd he shall turn the heart of tho fathers to tho children, and tho hearts ot the children to their fathers 1 least I come and emlto tho earth with a H curse. "HHH In fulfillment of this ancient prophecy the nropl10t.:,4?:t? ,nI'Jwnr,,l In tho IKrtlnnd tcm-S,c..0.n tcm-S,c..0.n thp. lil ra daX cf Ar,rl1- to Joseph "H Yu nn" 9"vnr Cowdeo". nnd dotlvorcd to thOf men tho l:ej-s or jower of tho nriest-hoo1 nriest-hoo1 yhlch giro to the living tho right to do n work for tho salvation of the dead; nnd an 7HC V'?uh0,u'ts 01 u, children are turned to the fathom: and. of course, since the fathers In tho spirit wdrld, through tho preaching ot the cupel, learn that it Is wlth-in wlth-in po7cr ot lhpr clilldren to do a work f0r,ihc,1,1,n, the earth Ull!lr hearts ni-r, turned 1 imu. ren: .nni1 t,ic Predicted result of EHJah'n mlsslnn will bo fullllled t.?nWk m1r ,1.lvlnK ,nay d0 for the dead Is that of attending to outward ordinances m t)nptIsm. confirmations, ordinations, wash- Ingo anointings, 'and noallngs all being nn. KtennJ-irV0Bll,0n I1"0 '"lOn Of "ho Ird. and all scaled nnd ratlfled-by tlu? power SnlhfnPStho0d ?f 9 whlcl' blnu on enrth and In heaven. It is required that all Imp-Usmn Imp-Usmn and other onllnonccs ot the gosncl to bo performed for the dend h alten.led to n hcusee-and more properly In tcmples-cspe-daily dcdlcnte.1 for such holy purVoww In pursuaneo of this work nn.l that Itay bo ecccptnWy dono unto the Lord, tho Lattor-SAln,tfl Lattor-SAln,tfl hftvo bulU at great sacrifice of labor nnd means, so many costly temples! Ono at Vauvoo, one at Salt Lnko C tjv on rLJr?1' ,nt Mantl- at ono nt St Gtki.; In which tho ordinance ot salvation "KHH for the dead iu, -well os for the II vine Arn WfWj"???1-- for tho SnlnLVbollex-o that tho fathom without them cannot bo made H wtfhou't ZltoT th0i' TTiere must bo a seallnfr or.d binding to-5t",;r to-5t",;r of,a,Lth0 "rations ot men until the family of Gcl shall bo perfectly joined In H?,lMt h0.nnl" fU1'1 ties of mutual erfertlons hf"1 orJInances attended to on earth by the "HHIH living, and accepted In tho hpirlt world by those for whom they nro p-rformed, will mako "H them n. potent means of tcnlvntlon to th" dead m and of eraUntlrm to tho living, since th latl ter become In verv- deetl "snvlorn upon Mount 7lon." Thin work that ran xj dono for tho i?u1 Lar ,(,' v,Aws of the gosnel of l18 iZhrls.f.- .np begins to se indc-I that K Is tho 'everlasting gospel:" fo- t runs H parallel with man's existence both in thl Ilfo and ln that which Is to eom" . Tn. "Vch. Presentation of Mormonlsm e It 1 In desired this hrochuro shall ho. so'nthlnC of Incompleteness would nllnch tn It If noth-H noth-H nr ho raid conc-rnlnp tho m'irrlaee f-atem H of the church. In common with th Chrl- B tlan ects the LnMer-dov Saints In the early 1 rears of the church'n oxiRtnc. regarded mnr- H Tinge vaguely nn on lnstltutnn tn xlt In H this world only: nnd mnrrlti ns Chrlstlnn nrofessors now do. until death do them rrt' H ntit bv tho revelation r mnrIore ilveri H through tho prophet Joseph Smith, the silnU H learned thnt In celestial sphere the marrlairc H relation exists eternallv: and that the nlenn. H lng Jovs of fnnillv ties and aFgooIntlnns H coupled with tho power of endles Increano' B contributes to the hnpnlncss, power nnd dn 1 minion of thoso who attain to the celestla H irlorr. H Whnt a revelation was thlsl Instead of tin H Ood-dvcn power of procreation belnir one 01 H tho thlnini to paw away. It In ono of the chlei means nf man's exaltation and glory In iter 1 ntty, Throuch It men attain to tho glory 01 nn ondlcsa increnso of eternal livts, and tho right of prsldhib' as priest nnd patriarch, 1 king, and lord, over hla ever-Increasing posterity. pos-terity. Instead of tho commandment "Multiply "Mul-tiply and replenish the earth" twine an unrighteous un-righteous law, to bo rcsarded aakance, and an something evil, It la ono by which tho raco cf man Is to bo eternally pornolunlud; and la as holy and pure as tho coinmandmont "rie-peni "rie-peni and bo baptlred." Tho now marriage system, then, or, rather, tho old marrlHtfe system of tho patriarchs rostored to tho earth through this ruvelatlon consists In the etoj-nlty etoj-nlty of the marriage covondnt; that is, the marrlngo covenant between a man and his wife Is mado for tlmo nnd nil eternity, and being scaled by that power of tho priesthood priest-hood "which blrids on earth and In heaven," the covenant holds good In heaven as woll ns on earth: In etornlty ns well ns In tlmo; after as well no beforo tho resurrection from the doad; u;nd by reason of It men will havo claim upon their wives and when upon their husbands throughout eternity. Celestial marrlago also Includes under certain cer-tain conditions, restrictions und obligations, n plurality of wjyes. Such prominence Indeed hus been given to this feature of the mar-Mage mar-Mage system ot the church that to a great extent It has obscured the grandeur and Importance Im-portance of tho principle of tho eternity of the marriage covenant. Plurality o wives, of course, wna na great nn Innovation ln the marriage system of the world as marrlngw for eternity. It comes In conflict, too, not only with tho education nnd traditions ot tho modern world, but in conflet with the prejudices preju-dices ot the Saints themnelvos; yet God had commanded Its Introduction Into tho world nnd through the prejudices of the Saints revolted re-volted ugnlnst It, tho faithful to whom It was revealed resolved to obey It, nnd In the Introduction In-troduction of this principle of tho marrlngo syotcm of tho church, the prophet Joseph Smith' himself led tho way. Its Introduction Into tho churoh originally was conflnod within a small circle of the faithful brethren nnd sisters; nnd It was npt until tho church had settled In the Rocky mountain ralleys of Utah, that It was publicly pub-licly proclaimed as a doctrine of tho church unto the w;orld. Tho practice of It was then modo public. The wholo church and at that time (1SS2) the mcmbors of tho church comprised com-prised nearly the wholo community of Utah-approving Utah-approving ,tho principle, which was at once recognized na a proper religious Institution. FV ten years the practico In Utah of thto system of marriage met with no opposition from tho United Staten Government. But In UG2 a law was ennctcd by Congress to punish and prevent tho practice ot "polygamy" In tho Territories of tho United States. Tho penalties pen-alties affixed were a fine, not to exceed flvo hundred dollars, nnd Imprisonment not to exceed ex-ceed Ave years. For twenty years, however, this lav reninlmil practically a dead lottor. It was claimed by the Saints thnt It was nn Infringement of tho religious liberty guaranteed guaran-teed by the Constitution of the United StntoH. since It prohibited tho practico ot a religious dcctrlnn. For twenty ycnri no pronlinced effort was made by the officers of tho gencrnl Government to enforce the law. In 1SS2. however, tho Ir.w enacted twenty years before was Dupplcmc-nlcd by what is known art ihe "Edmunds Law." In addition to defining the crlino of "polygamy" for which It retained the same ponaltlo'i p.a the law of 1S: the "Edmunds Law" alco made i-ohabltntlnc with more than ono woman a crime. punl6hnhle by n fine noj to exceed three hundred dollar, and by Imprisonment not to exceed six months. This law also ronderod perrons who wero living In "polygamy." or who believed In Its rightfulness. Incompetent to act na grand or petit Jurorn; nnd also disqualified dis-qualified all polygamlstK for voting or holding office. This law of lfS2 war n?aln supplemented supple-mented by the "Edmunds-Tucker Law" rt-ncted rt-ncted In 1SS7 which made tho legal wife or husband, In casss of polygniny or unlawful cohabitation, a competent witness, provided tho accused conponted thereto; It nlco enlarged en-larged the powers of tho United S fa tea Commissioners Com-missioners and Marshals, and required cer-llticaten cer-llticaten of all marriages to be filed In' tho office of tho Probate courts Tho penalty for tho violation of this Inst provision was n fine of ono thousand dollars, and Imprlsonmont for two years. The law disincorporated tho church nnd ordered tho Supremo court to wind up Its affairs, and take possession of tho escheated es-cheated property. The laws wero rigorously enforced by the United States officials, special appropriations being made by Congress to enable them to carry on a Judicial crusade against the Salnta The prominent church officials wero driven Into retirement; others Into exile. Homen '.vero disrupted, family ties wero 'rent asunder- Upwards Up-wards of a thousand men endured fines and Imprisonment In the penltcmlnry rather than be untruo to their families. Every effort of tho Government to deprive tho Saints of their religious liberty was stubbornly contested In tho courts, until tho decision of tho Supreme court of the United States was obtained. Whllo fomo of the proceedings of the courts In Utah In enforcing the nntl-polygnmy laws wero condemned, tho laws themselves wero sustained as constitutional. Tho court also held that tho first amendment to the Constitution, Consti-tution, which provides that Congress shall not prohibit tho free exerclsu of rollglon, can not bo Invoked against legislation for the punishment pun-ishment of plural marriages. Meantime Government was relentlcnn, and villi more stringent measures thnn thoso already al-ready enacted wore threatened. In tho midst of thoso nffllctlons and threatening portents. President Wllford Woodruff besought tho Lord In prayer, and tho Lord Inspired him to Iesuo tho manifesto which discontinued tho practice prac-tice of plural marriage. At tho semi-annual conference In October following, tho nctlon of President Woodruff was Buslnlned by unanimous unan-imous vote of tho conference, and pluml marriages mar-riages wero dlticontlnued In tho church. In tho matter of plural marriage, tho Latter-day bntnts aro neither responsible for Its Introduction Introduc-tion nor for Its discontinuance. Tho Ird commanded Its practico and In the face of tho sentiment of ages, and In opposition to tho teachings oC their own traditions, many of the Saints obeyed the commandment, and In tho midst ot weakness, difficulties and dangers dan-gers sought to carry out that law as revealed to them. For about half a century thoy maintained Its practice ln tho face of opposition sufficient suffi-cient to appall tho otoutcst hearts. They defended de-fended It In tho public press, proclaimed It from tho pulpit, debated It on tho platform with all who choso to assail It. and prnotlced t In their lives, notwithstanding fines and Imprisonments threatened; and when tho power pow-er of tho Government was vigorously employed em-ployed to enforce Its laws ngalnst tho Institution, Insti-tution, hundreds of men cheerfully endured both fines nnd imprisonment rather than bo untrue to It. A whole generation had been bom find had grown to manhood nnd womanhood woman-hood in this tnarrlngo pystom, and tho affections affec-tions of family tics wero entwined with it. Then, under tho pressure of suffering brought upon tho people through tho lawa of the United States, tho Lord permitted the President Presi-dent of tho church tn proclaim Its discontinuance. discon-tinuance. The Saints submitted, and thero the matter rests. If tho labors and sufferings of the church of Christ for this prlnclnlo have done nothing mo.-o. thlH much nt least hus been nccompllshed-the Saints havo borne testimony to the truth. And It !3 for God to v Indicate Kin own law nnd open tho wav for ts establlrhmont on thn earth, which doubtless Ho will dn when His kingdom shnl eome In power, and wheji His win shnll bo dono in earth ns It lo In heaven. Tho Chairman. You offer that book? miT" auy,,or- Tcs: 1 orfcr that book. ,rThm Chf,lrmtn- If you nro to do that. Mr. Taylor, can you not do it omitting a good deal of tho reading? Questioned By Hoar. Mr. Tayler. I have not much to road now. Senator Honr. I would like to know at some convcnlunt time from Mr. Tayler what In Mr. Smith's stntcmont he ox-pects ox-pects to contradict and what of It ho accepts? ac-cepts? I understand that Mr. Smith's statement la In substance this: That he ar.d his church accept cortaln divine di-vine revelations which liavo come to them, Including him ns ono of Its presidents, presi-dents, ln tho past; that emu of those divine di-vine rovelatlonH wos an Injunction to polygamy, to plurality of wives : that ho Interprets that Injunction not to mean that It Is. binding on all men under all circumstances, but that It 1b like similar Injunctions to peraons who believe In monogamy, and that that Is shown by the fact that that was tho construction of It; that only 3 -or -1 per cent In old times of that communion lived In polygamy; polyg-amy; that thereafter, and after tho practico prac-tico of polygamy had been declared an offense by the civil law, there was another an-other revelation suspending I win not use tho word retracting, but not for tho futuro rociulrlng-polygamy. and that from that tlmo forward hla church has ceased to Inculcate It, and has regarded tho practice of polygamy, with tho excep- ; tlon I am about to state, an offense, and has obeyed tho civil law; that thrro have been slnco then no plural marrlagw under un-der the. sanction or with the knowledge of the cthurch or a society, but that he ! 'himself nnd, according to his bcliof. other persons in high places of authority of the church, nnd with his full approbation 1 suppose, have said that while they would ' contract no moro plural marriages nnd ! would resist, with all tHhlr Influence and ; all the authority of -the church, any new , one, and while thn church has never sanc-, sanc-, tloncd or solemnized one since that later . revelation, they will not desert the wives , and the chlldron to whom they had been , married under the old dispensation, and that he himself has maintained thoso i wives and their chlldron ln separate fam- llles, and has lived In thn relation of hus- hand and wlfu with them so that new r children havo been borne to him by all them. I do not know that I havo given t the whole statement, but ln substance. I think It Would shorton and mnko clear this Inquiry If we wero to know whether you expect to controvert that statement ln Whole orln part.- If I havo ln any particular par-ticular misstated It, I wish Mr. Smith would point- out tho particular ln which I havo misstated It. Mr. Smith. I understand, Mr Senator, that you have stated the caso ns I understand under-stand It. Senator Hoar. "Without expressing or Intimating any opinion of mine on the proper deduction from that, it soe.ms to mc tho eommltteo ought now very soon to kr.ow from von whether tho evidence which vou have been reading hero for the last hour Is simply in confirmation of what Mr. Smith has admitted, nnd I Bhould like to know whether ln any particular par-ticular you expect to controvert that statement. Mr. Tayler Wo expect . to show that manv plural marrlage havo been sol-cmnfzed sol-cmnfzed In Utah since the manifesto of 1SP0, Tho statement that It was not done by tho sanction or authority of the church I do not know that wo can contradict. Senator Honr You neither admit nor deny at present? To Show Plural Marriages. Mr Tayler. Wo expect to prove that plural marriages of people who held official offi-cial positions In the church havo occurred, and that tho church must know about It. whether they countenanced Jt nt the beginning, be-ginning, or by their higher officials solemnized sol-emnized It. Senator Bevcrldgc. And that therefore Mr. Smoot must know that. Mr- Tayler. I cannot connect Mr. Smoot with every sentence I utter Of course. Mr. Smoot lu a part of this hierarchy, and wo havo got to weave this thing as ono fabric, and not as continued separate threads. Senator Hoar. That Is. that this non-abandonment non-abandonment of polygamy you expect to show Is no general as to satisfy us that It Is colorable or pretended and not real Mr. Tayler. Precisely. Senator Hoar. Thnt Is a fair offer to make. Promulgates Ordinance of Polygamy. Mr. Tayler- ?Cow, ns lo what I have been doing, of course, I .read from the Book of Doctrlno and Covenants for a manifest purpose ns showing what the revelation was. From these other books T have read for the purpose of showing that thA church Is promulgating Lhe doctrlno of polygamy throughout the world, as wc charged them with doing and as Mr. Smith denies h Is doing, and surely when a book written by an assistant historian of tho church, owned and copyrighted by the church Itself. 13 spread broadcost and proclaimed to be written for tho purposo of being spread broadcast over the earth advising them how holy, how divine, both In Its origin and ln Its practice except as local law may provont Its practice, the relation re-lation of husband to plural wives Is. then I think we have shown that the church Is publicly proclaiming Its Indorsement of that position. But, of course, I want lo bo very brief and only Indicate what It Is. Senator Hoar. I think bringing out 1I1I3 r.tatoment on both sides, from you and from the president of the church, has been of value to this hearing. The Chairman. Nov, what else, Mr. x Hi ini : Tho Articles of Faith. Mr. Tayler. A very brief reference to the book concerning which Mr. Smith testified, of which the title pngo Is as follows: fol-lows: "Tho Articles of Faith. A Series of Lectures on the Principal Doctrines of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. By. Dr. James E. Talmage. Written Writ-ten by appointment; and published bv tho church. The Deseret News, Salt Lakc City, Utah. 1901 " On pngo 314 of this work-Senator work-Senator Pettus. When does It appear to h.-tvo been first published, If It appears at all'i Mr Tayler. The -preface to tho first edition Is dated April 3, 1SSS. The Chairman. What is the title of that book? Mr. Tayler This Is Tho Articles of Faith. The Chairman. Before you go to that, what was the book you first read from? Mr. Tayler. Tho Doctrlno and Covenants. Cove-nants. t The Cnairman. Is that ono of tho books identified as used by missionaries' Mr. Tayler. Yes; tho Doctrlno and Covenants. Mr. Worthlngton. It Is one of the four standard books. Mr. Chairman. Mr. Tayler. I want to say right there that I am presenting and reading from nothing Whoso date Is not slnco tho manifesto. mani-festo. Tho Chairman. But that Is one of lhe four standard works? Mr. Tayler. Ono of the four standard works. Th6 Chntfman. To which Mr. Smith referred? re-ferred? Mr. Tayler. It is the only one of tho four standard works from which I quoted that Is, standard In the sense ln which that adjective was used by him. The Chairman. All right; go ahead. . Continual Bevelation. Mr. Taylor. Tho preface lo the second edition of this book on the articles of faith Is dated Salt Lake City. Utah, December. 1901, and Mr. Smith has told us of the position po-sition which Dr. Talmage occupies In one of tholr colleges or schools. On page 314, section 13, Is tho heading Continual revelation necessary." I do not read any moro from that. On page 315, section 14; "It Is nt once unreasonable, nnd 'directly contrary to our conception of tho unchangeable unchangea-ble Justice of God. to bcllovo that ho will bles tho church In ono dispensation with a present Jiving revelation of his will nnd In another leayo the church, to which he gives Mr name, to llvo as best It may according to tho laws of a by-gone ago," otc. Paco 323. section 21. "Ilovclatlon Yet Future. In view of tho demonstrated facts thnt revolatlon between God nnd man has ever been and Is a chnrac-terestlo chnrac-terestlo of tho church of Christ. It Is reasonable reasona-ble to awnlt with confident expectation tho coming of other messages from heaven, even until tho ond of man'n probation on earth Tho church is. and will contlnuo to lw. as truly foundod on tho rock of revelation ni It was In tho day of ChrlEfs prophetlo blessing upon Potor, who by this gift of Ood was able to testify of his Lord's divinity. Current revelation rev-elation Is equally plain with that of former days, In predicting the yet futuro manifestations manifesta-tions of God through this appointed channel. The ennon of scrlpturo Is HtUI open; many Hum. precepts, aro yet to bo added, revelation, surpassing In Importance and. glorious fulness any that haa been recorded, will yet be glvon to tho church nnd bo declared to the world." On page 421 la tho last quotation I mako from this paragraph 22, uudnr the head of "Submission to Secular Authority": "Ponding tho overruling by provldenco In favor of rollglouij liberty, It Ih the duty of tho Saints to submit themselves to tho laws of tholr country. Nevertheless, thoy should uso ovdry proper method, ns citizens or subjects of tholr Bovonvl governments, to secure for themselves and for nil men tho boon ot freedom free-dom ln religious duties." Then,, omitting two or thrco sentencca which I omit becaliso I do not know what they refer to "And If by thus submitting thcmoolvcn to tho lows of tho Innd In tho ovent of ?uch lawn bolnz unjust nnd subvcrsWo of human freedom, tho SalnU bo prevented from doing tho work appointed them of Ood, they ore not to bo held accountable for tho falluro to net under tho higher law," Now I want to refer to this hook which was Identified by Mr. Smith ns "Cowley's Talks on Doctflno. Ily Elder M. F. Cowloy, onu of the twolvo apostles of tho Church of JesuM Christ of Latter-day SnlntB. Published by Ben E. Rich. Chattanooga. Tcnn. 1M2." On vnaD 1S2 .Mr "Vn Cott What Ih the date of that work, Mr. Tayler? No Reference to Woodruff Manifesto. Mr. Taylor. 1002. Thero is a good deal hero on the subject of marriage, but I desire de-sire to say that I have been unable to find. In this book any reference at all to the mnrilfoato of ISM. Mr. Van Colt. Do you make that same ctatement for tho Articles of Faith, by Dr. Talmage, that you just read from, Mr. Taylor? Mr. Tayler. No. I read from the book of Mr. Roberts that there was a suspension suspen-sion of It, and It Is undoubtedly stated, nnd Is quoted ln your reply here nnd Is beforo tho committee that thero is a reference ref-erence ln that to tho suspension of this Haw by thn manifesto or IBM; but ln this work thero la no such suspension accord, lng to my examination of It. Thcro Is a discussion and description of polygamous marriage marriage, not so much about polygamous marriage. But this Is the last paragraph on pago 1S2: "That all honornhlo women, who deslro wifehood and motherhood under tho laws of God may havo thlB prMlego and not bo left to llvo and dlo nj spinsters, nor become a prey to wicked, lustful mch. Ood will fuini the prophecy found In lsnlnh, chnptur lv., vcrncx 1. 2" "In that day raven women Bhall tako hold of one man, saying, wo will eat our own bread and wear our own apparol; only let us bo called by they name. o tako away our reproach. In that dny shall tho branch of tho Lord be beautiful and glorious, nnd tho fruit of tho earth shall ho excellent and comely come-ly for them that aro escaped of Israel." On page 363 I want to read for Just a moment two or thrco paragraphs, among many others of the came kind; and 1 vould llko this wholo chapter on "Obedience" "Obedi-ence" copied. It Is four or llvo pages long. Tho Chairman. What page Is that? Mr, Tayler. Tho artlclo on "Obcdlcnco" Is on pages 1C2 to JSC. Inclusive. Tho Chairman. Do you desire to hav6 that Inserted? Mr. Tayler I deslro to have that chapter chap-ter Inserted, and I read tho following on the subject of "Obedience." Ab to Obedience. '"Tho. statement of the Savior, recorded In fct. John vll. . IT, covors the ground In tho broadest light? 'It nny man will do his will, he snnll know of thn doctrlno, whether It bo of Ood or whether I speak of myself. ' This secures to every true Saint. If he Is fnlthful. protection against imposturv. the abuse of powor and tho false decisions Ot man-mndo councils. In this particular the church Of Christ Is distinguished from nil other systems nnd Institutions. Ho has promised to culdo and direct, und that he "doeth nothing, but ho rovcalth his secrets unto his sonants, tho proohots.' Amon. 111. 7 "This does not Imply tho Infallibility ot man. hut It does Imply the promlso that no man or council of men who enand at tho head of the Church shall havo power to lead the Snlnts astray. With this assurance, thon, the peoplo of God In evory dispensation havo ben Justified Justi-fied In rendering absnluto yot Intelligent obedience obe-dience In tho direction of tho holy prophets. It Is nn undentablo fact In tho history of tho faulnto that dbedlcnco to whatever has come, either by written documont or vorbally, from tho presidency of the church, has been attended at-tended with good results; on tho other hand, whosoever ha. opposed ouch council, without repentance, has been followed with evidence of condemnation." And nt the bottom df the same pnge, 154: "It Is not tho attractive qualities of tho Individual, In-dividual, however groat, that renders submls- Blnn to his administration valid, but tho authority au-thority of God which ho fears. Tho acta of Philip Stephen. Pnul or James woro Just as valid and binding as thoso of tho Messiah himself, when performed by Ids nuthorlty. and In his name To reject the personal teachings nnd offices of the Savior could bring no greater great-er condemnation than to reject the teaching of nny man sent of God bearing nuthorlty and the Inspiration of the Holy Spirit to speak and net In the namo of the Iyird." And at tho lwltom of page 1J5 "It Is not the Individuality of the person which calls for respect and conf Idernllon, It la the prlnclplo Involved. God hiia placed his nuthorlty upon humble men. Through their ndnilnlstratlnns can he secured the benefits and bles-slngn which follow obedience to the ordinances of tho gospel. Implicit obedience must bo rendered. The mnndnteo ot Jehovah nro Imperative No substitute will do. The condition Is compete to the plan of salvation as established by Almighty God." The chnpter on "Obedience," nbovo referred to, Is as follows: Obedience. "To obey Is better than sncrlflce, and to henrken than tho fat of rams." (I. Samuo XV., 22.) In on nee of the world when Independence Inde-pendence Is tho proud 'boast of the nations, obedience Is, by mistaken Ideas of freedom, considered a mark of humiliation To tho render I will nay. In renllty. true obedience to tho Lord's commands Is an Indication of mor-ul mor-ul courage, union and power. It Ib not blind obedience that Is referred to and maintained, but that type which characterized tho ancient seers and salntf. who, like tho Messiah, wero rendy to say by word and deed: "I came not to do mlno own will, but tho will of my Father who sent me." Tho Latter-day Saints are credited with being be-ing obedient nnd submissive to authority, this fncl being often used by their opponents nn tho occasion of rcnroach. Thoso who so uso It surely must forgot that God requires obedience; thnt the best embodiment of thin principle, tho most humblo und yielding to tho divine will, was tho best nnd purest being who ever dwelt In mortality, vis., the lord Josus Christ; he In whoso mouth thero was found no gullo; who was perfect nnd without blemish blem-ish In all the walks ot life. "While ho wa.1 obedient to his Fath-sr'n will and humble to the extreme,' ho was Independent of the Influence Influ-ence and persuasion of wicked men. Tho status of Latter-day Saints Is conforin-nblo. conforin-nblo. to thl3 example. They are obedient to conscience, to convictions of right, to dlvlno authority nnd to God, In whom they trust "Whllo thus submissive, tholr persecutors havo found them equally oblivions to tho behests of wicked men, whether high or low Mon In tho factories of tho Old World, working sldo by side at tho weaver's loom. In tho coal pit or elsewhere In following the various vocations of life In this condition tho cospel preached by tho cldors of Israel has reached them. Alike, many of them havo recolved convictions of tho truth Thoy havo raid: "This la tho truth, I must obey It or stnnd condemned.'" Other pcoplo havo said: "It la truo, but If I obey I will bo ostrnelscd, perhaps loso my employment em-ployment anil bo an outcast from my father's house. Dotter that I reject the truth and llvo In peaco, than tako upon me thlo cross of obedience obe-dience to uhpopular truth." Tho courageous obey tho gospel, suffer persecution, per-secution, provo themselves men, and will attain at-tain to eternal Ilfo. Tho other people referred to aro slaves 'to their own fear ot popular clamor and to tho unseen powers of darkness which lend men to reject tho plan of salvation salva-tion Of tho first named class nro tho Lattor-day Lattor-day Saints, a host of mon nnd women who havo left homo, Kindred and country for tho gospol's snkc They havo endured persecution oven unto death, privation nnd suffering In every form; have redeemed a desert and built uy a commonwealth so fruitful with education, educa-tion, thrift and enterprise that nny nation beneath be-neath tho sun might well bo proud of them. Their obedience nnd moral courage they bequeath be-queath to their posterity Is n lecacy better than diamonds or tho honors and praise of a fallen world. They look liack to their asw-clatcs asw-clatcs In early manhood who- for fear, rejectod tho truth, nnd find these, whether living or dead, In moat cases unhonorcd nnd unknown. The obedience rendered by Latter-day Saints to tho nuthorlty ot tho priesthood Is not secured se-cured by virtue of any solemn obligation entered en-tered into by the adherent to obey tho dictum of his superiors In ofllco; but upon tho naturo of tho sospol, which guarantees to every adherent ad-herent tho companionship of the Holy Spirit, and this Spirit secures to every fnlthful individual indi-vidual a living testimony concerning tho -truth or fnlslty of- every proposition presented for hln consideration. IJy one spirit havo wo access unto tho Father." (Eph. II.) So that as all men and women who embrace the gospel aro entitled to nn Individual testimony of tho truth, the same spirit guldos Into all truth revenln tire things of tho Father and Imparts the Inspiration Inspira-tion upsontlal to preserve mankind from n blind ohodlcncu to erroneous principles and faleo guides. The statement of the Savior, recorded In St John vll.. 17. covors tho ground In tho broadest light: "If nny man will do hln will, ho shall know ot thu doctrlno. whether It bo of God or whether I speak of myself.'' Thin secures to overy truo Saint, If ho Is faithful, protection against Imposture tho abuse of power and the falwi decisions of man-made councils. In this particular the church ot Christ Is distinguished from all other systems and Institutions. Ho haa promised to guide and direct, nnd that ho "doeth nothing, but ho rovcaleth IiIb Bocrcta unto his servants, tho prophets." fAinos 111.. 7.) Thin docs not Imply Im-ply tho infallibility of man, but It docs Imply tho promise that no man or council of men who stand at the head of tho church shall havo power to load tho Saints astray. With this assurance,. thent tho pcoplo of God In every dispensation havo bcon Justified ln rendering ren-dering absoluto yot intelligent obodlenco In tho history ot the Saints that obedience to whatever has come, cither by written document docu-ment or verbally, from tho presidency of tho church, has bqen attended with good results; on tho other hand, whosoovcr has opposed such council, without rcptntnnco, hns been followed wlih evldoncB of condemnation. Applying this prlnclplo of obedience to or-Cnnlzatlons or-Cnnlzatlons of a civil nnd business character, confusion nnd weakness result from men refusing re-fusing their suport to the decision of the presiding pre-siding authority or of tho majority, where tho nctlon Is loft to popular vote. Cnrlylo. tho great English writer, said: "All great minds arc respectfully obedient to all that Is ovor them; anly small souls arc otherwise." The obodlenco rendered lo God Is based upon a conviction that he Is perfect In all hla ways, possessing tho attributes of Jut-lice. Judgment, knowledge, power, mercy and truth In nil tholr fullness. Obcdlcnco to his appointed authority au-thority upon tho earth Is obedience to him, and Is so taught by the Savior. "Ho that re-celvcth re-celvcth you rocclvcth nle, nnd he that recolv-eth recolv-eth me recelvcth him thtit sent me." (Matthew (Mat-thew x. 10.) "He thnt heareth you hvaxoth me; and hi that desplseth you desploeth mo; nnd he that desplseth me, depplsoth him that eent me." CLuko x, 10.) "Verily, verily, I say unto you. ho thnt recilvoth whomsoever I send, recelveth me; nnd he that rcoelveth me, recelveth him that sent inc." (St. John xlll. 20.) It Is not th nttrncllve qualities of tho Individual, In-dividual, however great, that renders submission submis-sion to his udtnlnlstrntlon valid, but tho authority au-thority of God which ho fears. Tho acts of Philip. Stephen. Paul or James wero Just as valid and binding ns thoso of tho Moaalah himself, when performed by hln authority nnd In his name. To reject tho personal teachings and offlrOB of the Savior could bring no greater great-er condemnation thart to reject tho teaching of any man sent of God bearing authority and the Inspiration of tho Holy Spirit to spak and act In tho name of tho Lord. The great truth wna taught by tho Savior on more than ono occasion, but perhaps no moro forcibly or In moro beautiful terms than In tho following: follow-ing: "When tho Son of Man shall com In his glory, nnd all tho holy angola with him. then shall ho sit upon tho throne of his glory: and beforo him shall bo gathered all nations; und ho shall separate them ono from another, as a shepherd dlvldoth his sheep from tho goats. And ho shall set tho sheep on his right hand, but tho gonts on tho left. Then shall tho king say unto thorn on his right hand. Come, yo blessod of my Father, Inherit the kingdom propnrod for you from tho foundation of tho world. For I was an hungered and yn gavo mo meat; I was thirsty and yo gave mo drink; I was a stranger nnd yo took mo In; nak-d and yo clothed mo; I was alck and yo visited me; I was In prison and yo camn unto me. Then shall tho rlgheous nnswer him saying: Ijrd, when saw wo theo an hungered nnd fed thee? or thirsty nnd gavo theo drink? When saw wo theo a utrnncer and took theo In? or nnked and clothed thee? or when saw wo theo flick or In prison and enmo unto thee? And tho king shall answer nnd cay unto them. Verily I sny unto you, Inasmuch as yo have done It unto ono of tho least of these, my brethren, yo havo dono It unto me." When ho told tho wicked thnt they had failed to thus ndmlnlstcr unto him, they begnn to plead that they, had not seen him sick, ln prison, hungry, nnked or athlrst. II, answered them, "Inasmuch ns yo did It not unto ono of tho least of thoso. yo did It not unto me." (Matt, xxvl. 3M.) It Is not tho Individuality of the person which calls for rosnect and consideration. It Is tho prlnclplo Involved. Ood hnd placed hla authority upon htimhlo mon Through their administrations can bo secured tho benefits and blessings ivhlch follow obcdlcnco to the ordinances of thj gospl. Implicit obodlenco must bo rendered. Tho mandates of Jehovah nro lmporntlvo No substltuto will do The condition Is comploto to tho plan of calvatlon ns cstabllshod by Almighty God. Saul waa commanded to destroy A cue and nil his hosts, man and beast. Ho kept tho best of tho flock ror. ho said, a Bocrlflco, but God had ordered otherwise, and Saul's dlsobo-dlcnco dlsobo-dlcnco caused him to loso tho kingdom, shut him out from the rovelatlon9 which camo by dream, vision nnd the Urim and Thummim. "Thou shalt not stendy the ark"; and they who disobeyed wero smitten of tho Lord. Israel by dlsobodlcnco lost the guldanco of tho Almighty, went into spiritual darkness, and havo been scattered tn the four quarters of tho earth, "a hiss and a by-word In tho mouths of all nations." Obedlenco Is eascntlnl to salvation, essential to success In'ovory avenuo of human enterprise. enter-prise. Whether rendered to the laws of God direct. In their moral nnd spiritual phases, or to his authority vested In man, obcdlcnco must bo Implicit. Tho haughty man boasts ot Independence. II scorns tho humble followers fol-lowers of the Lord, but whllo he. prates of freedom, he Is himself lavishly obedient to his own whims nnd mistaken Ideas or to tho spirit of evil, to popular senllmoht. or to come other Influcnco always dangerous to tho welfare of mankind. The Saints have been necuxed of helnrf priest-ridden priest-ridden nnd fearful to uso their own Judgment What do tho facto show? Thoy are only asked to do right, live pure lives, do good to nil men. evil to none, nnd to respect tho order of God's kingdom thnt salvation mny come to them nnd be extended to nil tho world. Their obedience hn mado them tho best and purest body of pcoplo on tho earth. What of tho character of thoso who have derldud them? They are nlaves tn a shnllow and excited sentiment sen-timent or to wickedness nnd vice, obedient to their nwn lusts and wicked ways. Compared with thoso they misrepresent they aro below them In almost every trnlt which characterizes character-izes noble .manhood. By obedience to Ood nnd his priesthood the Saints In thin ago have como off trlumphnnt over obstacles Within nnd foea without By ohcdlonco to God and his commands com-mands they will continue tho hlesscd nnd favored fa-vored of the Lord forever. They havo proved the words of Samuel to Saul, verily truo: "To oloy Is better than sacrifice, and to hearken thnn tho fat of rams." "Tho Thatcher Episode." Mr. Tayler. Now T desire to rend a very little, and that Ih about all T havo to rend, from "Tho Thatcher Episode. A Conclso Statement of tho Facts In the Case. Interesting In-teresting Letters and DocumonLs. A Re-vlow Re-vlow of M. Thatcher's Claims, Pleas and Admissions Salt Lake City, Utah. Deseret Des-eret News Publishing company. 1S96." It Is this concerning which Mr. Smith testified tes-tified It was written cither by Mr. Nel-ton Nel-ton or by Mr. Penrose ho thought. 1 believe be-lieve ho said, by Mr. Penrose. I rend from pago 31. from a letter written by Edwin Ed-win G. Woolloy. tho first paragraph Incorporated In-corporated ln this, ns giving a history evidently of this affair: , "Whllo there may bo a dlftcrenco of opinion as to the wlBdom of tho courso being pursued by tho Deseret Nows In threatening tho supporters sup-porters of Thatchur for tho Senate, with church power, ntlll I would rather lmvo an open fight nt any time thnn to be stntlng ono policy for tho outsldo to hear and pursuing nnother tn secret, eo that I nm willing to stand by tho church In an open fight for any prlnolplo of right, nnd at no matter what cost. "As to Thatcher's chances Tor tho'Senato, I am unablo to give nn Intelligent opinion, an I am not acquainted with n grent number of the Legislature, but I think no ono who a firm Latter-day Saint will vote to plaeo him there, because he has announced himself n.i standing on a platform which Is posltlvoly opposed op-posed to tho discipline of tho churoh. and which rules of discipline havo been approved by nearly nil tho members thereof. When ho takes that stand ho Is opposing tho church In a vital place, and I 3Co no othor courso than for somo one to mako a complaint ngnlnst him for conduct unbecoming a Latter-day Saint, nnd unless he retracts from tho position ho will necessarily hao to bo cut oft tho church. This may seem harsh to some, but thcro can bo no other logical outcome to a courso such ns ho Is now taking It would be tho eamo If any other membor of the church should nn-nounco nn-nounco hlmEOlf on such a platform." At pngo 23. n scntenca from tho text of this document : "It Bhould bo plain to every Intelligent mind that has paid attention to this mntter. thnt no 'chnrges' havo been mado against Moses Thatcher to placo him on trial, either ln public pub-lic or In private, with the exception of tho chnrgo that he was not In harmony with his quorum and tho general authorities of tho church." Mr. Van Cott. Mr. Taylor, is the part .-.mi --f. r-:dnrr now a quotation from the Woollcv letter? Reads From Test. Mr. Taylor. Not at all. I say I am reading from tho text of tho document, which Is put out In the manner which has been described. It goes on. 'This fact ho appears to Ignoro entirely. Tho explanations glvon by President Wllford Woodruff and other church luaderu at tho October Oc-tober conference, and thoso given In President Presi-dent Snow's lutter woro not 'charges' on which Moncs Thatcher wus to bo placed on trial, hut were ncceFpnry Itcma of Information for the enlightenment of tho mcmbcra of the church who" were under tho Impression that the only difference butween Mosch Thntchor and tho church authorities was In relation to the declaration dec-laration of prlnclplee, enunciated at tho April conference." Now, on page 45. at the bottom of tho page. This Is still the text of the book Itself: "In reference to his candidacy for the Senatorshlp ho exclaims" That Is. Moses Thatcher exclaims "I invite neither tho support nor the opposition oppo-sition of tho church. It hns no concorn ln political Issues." ..... Then this book goes on ln Its text: "That tho opposition of tho church Is Incited If not 'invited by his attltudo or hostility to Its latest official declaration cannot bo rationally ration-ally disputed. Tho church has tho right to protect Itself, and when a candldalo for high offico takes hlo atnnd upon a platform of open antagonism to its dlEcIplIne, ho virtually Invites tho opposition which ho attempts to evade. , "And Is It truo that 'tho church has no concern con-cern In political Issues?" Has not every church In tho United States eomo concern In political Issues? In particular has not the Church of Jcsua Christ of Latter-day Saints deep concern In nil political Issues that affect tho peoplo of Utah? Tho great majority of them are mcm-br mcm-br of thnt church, nnd tholr welfare depends de-pends largely Upon political Issues. "The Idea that tho church must bo stricken dumb when political Issues which havo a direct di-rect bearing upon It aro raised. Is a fallacy that would bo daniferous Indeed If It wore not so absurd. "As to the nelectlon of persons for public office, the word of tho Lord by revelation Is glvon to tho churoh, and His peoplo nro directed di-rected by commandmont to wok diligently for wise men and honest mon, and nro cautioned that tho cholco of other than good men nnd wis men 'cometh of evil.' "Every official ln tho church hrj tho right to cxprcBB his views on political Issuos. Tho church Iteolf. as a body, Is Interested In thoso Iseues that concern tho Stato and tho Nation. Its officers have ob much right as other men to a preference for somo candidates over others oth-ers for civil office. Th?y may exercise their Influence na cltlzons to clvo that preference effect, providing they do not uso any Improper Im-proper mouna to accomplish IL The oplnlonn of men who helped to lay tho foundations of this Stato ought not to bo Ignored ln political lsxues becauso thoy hold leading positions ln tho church, and as the church Itself Is almost entirely composed of pooplo who aro citizens. H Is not- to be Rhut out of n voice In public affairs by the bald assertion that 'It boa no concern In political Ixkuo.' The church must not dominate tho Stato nor Interfere with Its functions, nor must the church be robbed of Its right to speak on Issuer thut vitally concern Ita own welfare." I deslro that all of this pamphlet shall bo prlntod. It gives tho history, from tho point of vlow of tho church, ot what la called tho Thatcher episode. Tho Chairman. Very well; that may bo printed. Tho pamphlet referred to Is as follows: Statement of Thatcher Episode. Tho Thatcher eplsodo A conclso atntcment ot thn fncts In thu case Interesting letters and documents A rovlew ot M. Thalcher'n claims, picas, and admission. Itecent occurrenceo In tho church render It neccsnry to present, ln a. popular form, eomu of tho rcouons for tho nctlon taken by tho council of tho twclvo apoatlc.i ln reforenco to ono of their number. Fnlso reports havo been circulated, the motives und purpoo of tho loaders of tho church In thin matlor hava been Impugned, and Improper fuellng havo In consequent arisen In tho breasts of uninformed un-informed peoplo, wJUO may provo Injurious to many unless tno iucts ln the caw nro brought forward for tholr enllohtincnt. Current Cur-rent publications do not reach nil thu homes of tho Saints, particularly In places rumoto from Salt I,ako City. This pamphlet la therefore there-fore prepared for gcnoral dissemination among tho mcmbnrs of tho church, that they may not b In tho dark concerning tho step which tho quorum of tho twelve found It their duty to tnko, after much patience, forbearance and chnrlty. Tholr duty to God nnd tho church waa and ohould be held superior to personal feeling nnd regard for nn Individual. It was performed In sorrow, but with llrmnoss. because be-cause tho law of tho Lord must bo hold far above tho feolntft ot men- At tho general conference held In tho Tabernacle, Tab-ernacle, Salt Lako City, April 6. lMfi, n declaration declar-ation of principles was enunciated by tho authorities au-thorities of tho church. It wao signed by tho first presidency, ton of tho apostle, the patrlnrch of tho church, tho aoven presidents Of tha soventlcp, nnd tho presiding bishopric. Elder Anthon H. Lund, onu ot the apostles, waa then ln England presiding over tho European Eu-ropean mission. After his roturn ho also Blgncd It, leaving but ono of tho church authorities au-thorities ob a dissentient. The church In conference con-ference asicmblod adopted and ratified tho declaration by unanimous vote, It wao subsequently sub-sequently riccopted by thi various stakes and wards of tho church by voto In their respective respec-tive localities. Tho nnmo ot Moses Thatcher wan not presented pre-sented as ono of tho general authorities of tho church at tho April conference, bccau.no ho was not and had not been for somo tlmo In harmony with hln quorum and with tho other church authorities. Ills refusal to sign tho declaration of principles w.ib an outward nnd vlslblo sign and token of thnt lack of harmony. It w.tb therflforo deomcd Improper to prer.ent his nnmo at tho conference to bo sustained by tho body of the church, when he was not held ln fellowship by his quorum. At tho general conferunco held October 6, 3S3. Mosch Thatcher .jv-ne still out of har-mcny har-mcny with the authorities of the church, nnd ho still rofuecd to accept the declaration which had bi-como fully embodied In tho doctrine doc-trine and dlsclpllno of tho Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Ills numo therefore there-fore wna sllll omitted from the list of tho "general authorities of the church, nnd It wns deemed necessary, for tho Information of tho iJitter-day Saint, that somo explanation should be made concerning his nttltudo and standing In relation to his own quorum nnd the church In general Prealdent Wllford Woodruff, therefore. In conferenco nsrembk-d. mado tho following remarks, on Monday afternoon. aft-ernoon. October 5. 1S?C. ln tho Tabernaclo In Salt Lnko City: Remarks of President Woodruff. "I did not Intend to occupy any moro tlmo In this conference, but thero Is a subject or two that I feol In duty bound to talk upon, nnd 1 hope the SnlntB will give mD their prnyorn and faith, that I may bo cnnblcd lo do my duty, in order lo urrlvc at tho principles prin-ciples and subject I wish to speak of. I feel' disposed to deviate from my gcnoral course of testimony In somo respects. "Thero arc iwo powers on tho earth nnd In tho mldet of tho lnhnbltnnts of tho earth tho power of God and tho power of iho devil. In our history wo havo had somo very peculiar pe-culiar cxperlonccB. When God has had a poo-plo poo-plo on tho earth, It matters not In what ago, Lucifer, the yon of tho momlng. and tho millions mil-lions ot fallen spirits that were ca6t out of heaven, havo warred ngalnst God, against Christ, against tha work of God. and ngalnst tho pooplo ot God. And they aro not backward back-ward in doing It In our dny and generation. Whenever the Lord jot His hand to perform any work.' thoso powers labored lo -.-rllii-ow It. I hs.ve a Ilttlo expcrlenco In this direction that I want to refer to "Many of you probably havo read tho history his-tory of tho first proclamation ot tho gosixd In England, under the presidency ot Hober C. Kimball, In 1S37- Just previous lo thnt I crossod Lako Ontario with a mnn by tho namo of Russell, from Canada Into tho Vnltcd States. That man walked tho steamer almost al-most day and night, moaning and groaning. Whnt was tho matter? Ho had a clasd of spirits that stayed with him night and dny, distressing him. What ho hnd dono that thoy had power over him I do not. know When n man docs his duty and keeps tho commandments command-ments of God, thoso spirits have not power over him, although ho may bo distressed ln a moosuro from their operation. This man wont to England, nnd those spirits went with him Ho wns with the apostles there, and whllo thoy were holding a conference there he was so troubled with thoso splrlto that Brothers Hebcr C. Klmhn.ll and Orson Hydo nnd the brethren who wero thero laid hnnds upon him nnd cast those evil spirits out of him. "When they left him they seized upon Brother Hyde, nnd ho fell to the floor ns though ho hnd ben knocked on tho head with a club Brothor Kimball and tho brethren Immediately laid hands upon him. nnd tho evil spirits left him. They then fell upon Brother Kimball and tried to ovorcomo him. But tho vision of hla mind wns open nnd ho saw them ln tho room. They gnashed their teeth at him; but did they overcome him? Brother Kimball held tho apostleshlp and ho stood at the head of thnt mission, and God gnvo him power over thoso oplrlts. and they woro rebuked nnd loft him. This was the beginning of their labors thero. In 1S10, when tho apostles wero Bent to Englnnd, wo had a similar expcrlcnco. Tho history of mv travels In Herefordshire. Gloucestershire and Worcestershire Is published nnd known to tho church. After laboring tboro for somo eight months. Broihora Hcbor C. Kimball nnd Gcorgo A. Smith Invited me to go to London. Lon-don. You all know what kind of men Brothers Broth-ers Kimball and Smith wero. Thoy ha1 power pow-er and brought a great many Into tho church "We threo went Into tho city of London to undortake to -open doors In that great city The first man who opened his doors to re-colvo re-colvo us -was a man by tho name of Morgan. Mor-gan. Tho very day wo entered that house It filled with evil spirits, who sought to destroy de-stroy ua Wo felt their power day after day Thoy did not particularly Injuro us at that time, but wo know thoy were with us. Tho incident that I am going to refer to now occurred oc-curred after Brother Kimball returned tn Manchester Brother Gcorgo A. Smith and myslf woro left there. We snt up on night till about 11 o'clock, talking about tho gospel of Christ, and thon went to bed. Tho room In which wo slept was small; thcro was about three and a hnlf feet between our cots. Those spirits woro gathered togother ln that room and sought to destroy uo. They fell upon us with tha determination to take our live Tho dlstrosji, tho sufTorlng and the horror that rooted upon mo I never experienced before be-fore nor since. Whllo In thin condition a spirit Kild to me, 'Pray to tho Lord.' "Wull, a mnn In thut kind of warfare, when ho Is choking almost to death, is in a peculiar pe-culiar position to pray Nevertheless I went to praying with nil the power I had. I know wo would dlo unless God opened some door for our dellvccanco. because wo wero being choked lo death, and I prayed lo tho Lord. In tho namo of Jcsub Christ, to prcftirvo our lives. Whllo I waa praying, tho door opened and thrco mcssongora entered, nnd tho room was filled with light equal to the blazing light of tho sun at midday. Thoee messengers messen-gers wero all dressed ln the robe of Immortal beings. Who they were I know not. Thoy laid hands upon mo and my companion, nnd rebuked thoso ovll powers, nnd wc wcrq saved From that hour to this day. not only our lives were saved, but thoso powors wero rebuked re-buked by tho angels of God bo thnt no older slnco has been tormented with them In London. Lon-don. "I namo this been uso thero lu a principle ln It. From the day that the Prophet Jose'ph Smith wns called upon by tho angel of God nnd tho platen of tho Book of Mormon given Into his hnnds, theso ovll spirits Inbored for his death, and finally his blood was shed by tho power of tho dovll. You know about that. It la beforo tho heavens, and tho oarth, nnd has got to be settled for. Thoso spirits aro wherever the Saints of God nre, nnd they will follow this up until Ho who holds the koys of death and hell binds that old nerpent 8Ct a Eoal upon him, and shuts him up for a thousand years. The evil spirits urn nil around us. They follow every elder of Israel Is-rael at . homo nnd abrond. Thoy tempt ine thoy tempt you. and will ns long aa wo dwell In tho flesh and tbey have their agency nnd power. Why? Becauno they know the priesthood priest-hood Is here; they know tho power of God 18 hero; they know tho authority Ih hero to seal blessings upon the heads of tho children nf men, and to preach tho gogpol to tho nations na-tions of the earth, that they may bo prepared pre-pared for tho coming ot tho Lord Jesus Christ. Knowing this. If they enn get any power over you and mo they will ox-re! IL "Thero has' been somo talk here about mv-stlf, mv-stlf, nnd my counselors, nnd the twelve apostles, and the position we hold ns lenders of the people. I hnv bn In tho npostloshln for fifty-seven years. I have been throuch nil the apostasies In this church. If I may br allowed to uso that expression, from tho dav of tho organization of the twelve npoatlc!". On one occasion two n pontics camo to me whllo I was ln Klrtland. and told me Hint Joseph Smith was a fallen prophet, nnd that they wanted to put another mnn In his place Oliver Cowdery- Thoy wanted to know what I would do about IL Said I. "Every mnn thnt lifts his hand against tho pronhot of GckI will go to hell, unless ho repents of his Bins.' Well. ' " T -nffc about half of them did repent; others dlo not. NJ! and they lost tholr crown und glory, and'klhaj 'fV0 men havo tnkn their places. r ''fat"' "My brethren nnd sisters, thcro is somo- iB'6 thing pressing upon my mind that I want to fW' ' any. We havo nrrlved nt a point here with "TMlf11 rvgurd to circumstances that It Is my duty to tako up a tho president ot tho church l4 Tho first presidency and tho twolvo nponloi .Tl , wero never moro united oa u body than they mf nre today. Our spirits uro united, Wo ba- C? llevo In each othtn-. wo work toguthnr wo 1 pray together, and wo believe In each o'ther bucauiM) i aro all trying to do tho will of " Ood. This Ib the c.uw with .ill of ui with Si1', one exception. That exception Is Brothflr I?'? 11 Moses Thatcher. A great many ptopio mar- & vel und wondr whjs somoililng In not done ' with him. Some havo sold wo wero afraid c of Moea Thatcher, f nm not afraid ot Mom. Sli Thatcher, nor ot any other man who breathe. the breath ot life, when It comes to a motto? iSt-ot iSt-ot duty. But I nm afruld to disobey God fcrt or to not perform my duty la any position ?T that I nm cnllod to In tho church. Thero ha2 2ir buvn a grent denl said with regurd to nrothor Moses Thatcher, and many havo wondered tSaJl why Bomethlng win not dono nbout him Veti 1 will that this Is a matter thut helonci ! 22 to tho twelvo apostles, no Is a mombcr of fv that quorum, and ot court) it Ib their dutv Lvr to tako hold of that work and attend to it until It Is settled. But I have foil as tho l! , f'& president of the church. Il Ih my duty to not Uet let thin confewnco p.-uw without saying ome- fit thing upon this subject. $lr "Brother Moeo Thatcher has been a very 'PS elck man. Prupnmtlons havo been made by i l2i tlm twolvo apostles lo scttlo this difficulty with him in council; but ho has b-n In tha : ".Hi condition I pak of. What la tho difficulty ' ' "fSv with Brother Thatcher? Thu difficulty n ha ' 'tii! han not been with his quorum In Bplrlt' fo- ' S v yearn. lie has not boon united with thom 1 f W hardly. I may oy. slnco tho death of Prefi- ; "LI dent Taylor. It Is not his declining to sign I this declaration of principles that was brought i 1 up ut tho lost conferenco by tho leaders of ;iUJ IsrnoL This 1b a matter of comparatively fZli small consequence. I my hore nnd I say tho fT;, truth Brother Thatchur haa not been In fl- IzZL lowehlp with ub for a furies of years. Ho has 4, not met with hln. quorum. Ho haa spent daya nnd daya In this city, when ho waa perfectly lw nblo to go about and do business, und haa iiv not mot with them neither at their sacra- '!iSt munt mocllncs nor othor meetlngo. Now. thla enn not romnln ln this wny. An I have eald '-Six theso evil spirits affect men. Thcra In n spirit nffectlng him. nnd not a good aplrlt either '15 V. llh regard to hln standing with his quorum ho should havo met with them and talked t 5Ti these things ovor; but ho haa not dono It. Ho 1 fl has met with them comparatively fow limes i slnco Presldont Taylor's death. 1 "Brethren and slalom, thoo nm truths. Tho ' it npostleo know that ho haa ncgleotcd to meet with them at times when" he could and should fifS; have dono mo. He has been nt difference with ''Lir them In many thing that have transpired f ?y Ho ha been by himself In hlo labor, nnd V-for V-for himself, and not for tho church Now. I wnnt to nay thai neither Moses Thatcher f "tv nor any other man on iho face ot tho earth S'TC can stand ln tho way of thla church. Wo h havo had almost whole quorums of npoetlca f KZ that have been In tho road, and thby hnvo i? had tn he moved out of It. lcnuso the king- i , dem of God cannot, Hlop for anybody for Wll- V UVVi ford Woodruff, for Moses Thatcher, or for V 7 nnybody el.v. Unless wo work with tho ealntu I 2 of God, with tho priesthood of God and with the organization of his church, wo cannt i ff havo any power or influence. I mako yflils h testimony becnuge It In my duty I navo thought a great doal of Mosea Thatchor. I bad a good deal to do with hla coming Into rf?; the quorum of the apostles. I had a great i w' respect for his family. I havo for any man J SI that will bear his testimony to tho gospel & nnd kingdom of God. But he hns stopped F. that Ho haa taken a different courso with i , regard to thru, ami ho occupies that position today. I nnmo this because ho Is not In a fj condition to bo tried. K "Tho Lord's kingdom Is going to roll on. ,) pT If I took a stand against my counselors and U against the twelvo apostlon, nnd wo wero not f f, united together, I could not go with there I But tho Lord Is with iih. and with his peoplo. Ti . Whatovor Is required at our hands, wo want ,' to perform It I hope thnt tho Ilttlo tlmo f. ?. wo spend hero In tho flesh, before wo go Into tho valley of tho shadow ot death, we will -'tT pursuo a courso wherein wo will be satis- r 'fv fled when wo como to meet tho Lord, nnd V Joseph Smith, nnd the patriarchs nnd prophets 1; : Wo will meet theo people In tho morning of ' tho first resurrection. Mnny of them have i got their resurrected bodies, and those who I havo not will havo their bodies raised from tho gravo In. an lramortnl condition Who I' can facrlilee eternal life, and a part In tho t- !fl first resurrection, to stand with their wives f, " nnd children In colcstlal glory, for tho honor I-of I-of this life or to gratify ambition? I can- r not nfford to do It, neither can you Wo will hall Brother Mosen Thatcher with every 7 W sentiment of our hearts whon he will meet i-'l'S with us, unite with us. ropont of his wrong- f 5' doings, and help carry on tho work of Gc 1 ; : "Jf ns ho should do. Without this, he cannot go ; l? with us. wes "God blesn you. I bear testimony to thn ) heavens and thn earth that this Is tho church 1 oml tho kingdom of God. We have got to '' live our religion and to be united In order ' f tn benr off tho kingdom and receive theo bleeslnjm thnt He on tho other side nf tho ' veil for us. I pray that his blessing nnd ,r spirit may rest, not only on the first presl- , '. i tltncy nnd apostles and the whole priesthood 1 and tho ealnts. but upon Moses Thatcher thnt j ') fl his eyes mny be opened to seu. his ears to t 1 ror. and his heart to comprehend his position " J and duty beforo God and man " t H The remarks of President Woodruff wero 1 i . listened to with tho profoundest attention, as , ti were tho following remnrkB by succeeding speakers. President Snow's address Is given ' In full, and Hueh portions of the dlocourses : (! Ihnt followed ns relate to this subject aro iUr n1o flvnn n nfnelnll,. . .tv President Lorenzo Snow. J "As tho president of tho quorum of tho I V twelve apostles, ot widen Brother Thatcher J; is n member. I want to say a few worus In h connection with thla subject that has twtn ' ff Introduced by President Woodruff. I feol It my duty, however unpleasant that duty may n bo to mo. to testify to the truth of what J; i President Woodruff has said In reference to K uttf tho fellowship existing between Brother ; m Thatchor and our quorum. I think It was 1 Ji seven- years ago whon tho present presidency 1 wtl of tho church was organized, und I then was J J appointed to presldo over tho quorum of tho T hl'r npoatIe a duty nnd nn obligation that I f nt fedt tho utmost Incompetency to discharge, I and yot believing and knowing that It was k K my duty to nccept that position, I wns sal- f, fsj l8fled that tho Lord would old and anlnWu J; In accomplishing the duties pertaining yo 'hi that sacred office. M "I lmvo labored actively from that day to tho present to do that which I considered my i! HIS duty, to accomplish a perfect union between lrfi overy member of hnc quorum, and a perfect iv kjjr union also with the first prfulduncy I felt ":t the Importance of thlH when I lock tho posl- f lita tlon a8presldent of tho twelve, and I asked v, kfe tho Lord to let mo llvo until these duties wero J-. SJi accompllnhed until I could seo and feel thut I Ir every mombcr of tho quorum of the twelve , H nposlles wan ln perfoct fellowship with each f He, othtr and with the first presidency Thi T. fcii brethren of the twelve can answer now wheth- 2 Mhi cr that hns ben accomplished, and how for f; Iji It hns failed. It hus failed In only one elngle V "t't Instance, nnd that hns been presented to you p 1t by President Woodruff. There aro now of tho J; A& quorum of tho twelve ten members sitting i Ifeji hero upon ihee stands. With these ten s f brethren thero Is now a perfect union be- , fer twven themst-lvcs and the first presidency - sjk "I distinctly remember a peculiar clrcum- -J trj stance In connection with this BUbJccl. It V m-was m-was when perhaps 150 brethren wero assembled In tho upper hnll of the Temple. Tho object . !, of that assembling was to gnthr means to fart, nrcompllsh the completion of the Temple, and 4 it that speedily. I do not nnncmber now how ' tat much wo raised there, but It was a large 1 num. contributed by tho brethren present On nig, that occasion President Gorge Q Cannon : nrono and spoko very feelingly In reference ifey to the perfect union that then existed with -n tho first presidency fthla nbout ono year te- -j t-r foro tho dedication of the Temple) In all mat- ; ters pertaining to ho Interest of the church, itf , both spiritual and financial. After ho pot ; through. I dare sny that tho people tnero I thought eo. at lcat expected that I would arise and any something In reforenco to tho : 4 union of the quorum of tho twelvo npostle?. . I did not do It. I sat thero In silence And ,,' , I never explain! tho reanon to tho quorum tiy of the twelve, that I have any remembrance , o, of, why I pat there In silence. I am now j going to explain It. I thought my hrolhrn 1- H hnd reaonft to expect that I would arlso ' H and speak In reference to tho Union I could fjv havo spoken oh loudly and nn effectively in i. ity reference to the union of our quorum o V iiy Brother Cannon In reference to the union ct f, the first presidency, with but ono single ex- "J ceptlon. That exception, I regret to ray. wo j. tj K Brother Moea Thatcher. The brethren ct thn quorum will now understand why I " te there In slleifce. ); J-i "Tho next day. I think It was. In going up i to Brlchnm City on the train, nmthc- Thnteh- j. i, cr and I sat together. I thera f t ! him S fWe clrcutrstnnce that I havo Just told you. I - j said o him that II wn on his nccount-tnj , Jnvo nnd repect that I had for him that I did not nrls and mnko nn exception. I would i have been compelled at that Ume to havo mentioned Brother Moses Thatcher as nn ex- . i ceptlon There wero eleven of us that were . In perfect union, which we had Inhered ana ( tolled to effect completely and strongly ana abundantly- But I would not place him in nn unplHjiani attitude before the people I : k fa plained th' to him. ... ; "Rut that was not the only time. The fight ' previous to the dedication of the Templo we felt that tho quorum of tho twelve ought an ' , to bo united, or perhaps there would be some- f. e( thing nrle that would provo of a dlmaree- i able character. We called the quorur fof ly. gether. Fvery momber was present. "VT la,f :(mu lorcd and lolled ot that meeting to trinS .1 jg Brother Thatcher Into a union with us, Jiour , after hour, till about 2 o'clock In the mora- lng. 1 Inbored diligently. t,,,,r' J'ta "I nlwnys thought a good deal of Brother Thatcher. Ho arTd I always got nlon lovhuriy 1 r' i I " f . nc knows and will etato It 1 iK'i to address tho people, tha lf,ft sno" 'ns one oC his particular P"rnnl felt an Interest for him ns deei "lilS iH in tho quorum. Wo Inbored thor. 'SlTono object In view-to bring on, iS rtf cn f our auorum Into u perfect unlor S tf-Zlvcs and with the first presidency , & ?"? rotated to Brother .Thatcher whn $ , il LoTtS line you I told- him of th. j ,vx i niado In my feelings when I hai Ti i .dencc. nnd I said I could not not d ' 0'p ffi should bo obliged to get ut r ihe gathering In the Tempio and stnt. lfJr auoruiu was In perfect union-thai 5 t.hc subject came up. which It prob. -tN a 'LVIiM-oxcept n the ensn of nrothci 2 Jif 'rw)11i, Pwo patched tho thing up M ty'firae to a conclusion that we accepts: & imr How far that was really a con-3 con-3 il1?4 mili In his heart. I am not prepared ft u, was another time, perhaps a yeai 7Jlt?nr and a half ago. when wo sought J if Tf. union with Brother Thatcher and y'm w" hart a pretty difficult time, M S'hIj Nono of us felt satisfied M" fil; the lfl"t conversation I had with "AVnatcncr was In tho Temple, rlth.i F11" i.i FPrlns or fall conference W it tfct , i fnr lilm and we had sent some ol 5 rf Wrlenccd brethren to talk, with I tf S?ioly and bee of him to maw tlilnm M I 1 .,r.. I called on Brother RrlRham a tt' wi up I knew he Wt nn Intel enl In r Ts& Catcher, and wns a wIgo man, tc $ ' b(i h m nntl plead with him to make fc, I'eitf'fMtory. nut ho failed . Kc nn J vTAVd to mo thnt a jplilt .if dnrknw relsn Brother Thatch. r's heart and ) not "eneh It. I ntlll thousht. how-V, how-V, V .'v-i he would come and make things l "Viiiforo lio returned to his homo In Logfin: V '.Mtit tho second -r third dav nftcr till i r-L, Jte.1 byhlm In the Temple I nwr "Pi '.'. rilolce moro In mv hnrt than when l "mJA enter my room I thought he had X ISfffw. "mind to do th which we re-$f re-$f "J I him to do nnd to plnce. himself In fellowship with tho Dr-thin of tlw W '"-m I tall:4 with him. I !! 1 mot of ?lDr myself T ilt Hie uplri: of It. ns tVw,v. .11 when I piioIw to him. becaue 'rt was wwiii toward nlm. and thi 2-nned to h-lo m? w that I f-;lt P-r home In telllnff him ju-what Iho nvIWoecnslon In the Temple I . hands upon hlu head, according to his 2nd my own ffHnffn. and blewscd 'S M? henxt went out for him. But I 9 ! m rnt fellowship Brother Thatcher. nl-341 nl-341 Ti-h I lov" him Pld I love that man? 1 lr l.n it ieem; to me. could lovo another 1. M than I loved Brother Thatcher- 18 'T labore.1 for him. tolled for him. and "5 i for him. nnd Mlfl fhall do. I have i .SHrra w" nv hooeP. and I will not Eve i" un! Mv rrlnclple has ever been, when 3 unon' to administer to the sick, who JSVps at the point or death, without S aliW n hnpo whatever, to not elvo 1 ' im until I sw thev wero actually deRd. 3 with Brother Thatcher, whose volco " l . wn hard from thin slant! time after 9 we hav loved to listen to his henu- Ti Inrplrlnp- wor.ls. But he Is a dlf-S dlf-S lit 1 now nltoeethr-dlffercnt In eplrll. 1 IS f course his j.hyslrnl condition Is very ? f ffi tllhoutth. I understand now. he In Im- flLA !lv?ry rapidlv President Woolruff hnF ' rS-l to vnu the reason why we have 1" him before our quorum nnd the 1 PwlnvMtlcated. His low physical con-' con-' So In th reason But. ns I was aaylntr. .- t iS-rcht he had eomo to my room with his 1 jih nwdc ,n lnko a rourse to como mto 1 MthlP with his quorum. I was dlenp- 1 'Sid however. I felt like sheddlne tears : ' Uiji Itft the room. Thero was not that a- ccAriilcn cxlsllne In him that I hoped there v ipiII bt whfn he came. -Vsr there Is a certain document thnt you L ' HrV tllked about a Rood deal. Brother YounK i S nnMf took thai document lo Brother j -S'cvJr HI physical condition was not 2 i l, wwilMni; and I nsked him If I should t Irit It to him Ho said ho preferred to read hklDMlf. and he read II read It very do- 3 i cAielr Ho said ho did not fool then to 1 i.Uiign ol It altocether; ho wished It to re- zib for a while We accorded him his wish, a tifffiMfnt noelruff had said, not half the bsU Is In relation to that document, not J lidrtilth part that Is talked about. Of 7 cwif. It was rather singular There were j i-f''eJ to that document tho names of tho if. irtjMency of the apostles Iwlth tho ox- J orllca of Brother I,und. who was then In ' EirhaJ) and of the first seven presidents of -- J: Z ,trtntics. of the patriarch, and of the i rraHlnr bishopric twenty-four names In all. nMtaOnc the authorities of tho church: . t?.U did not feel Inclined, ho tjald, to put .' l!i tan to Ihftt document. .... "I reminded of a little anecdote I heard i rf Brother Ernstus Snow, which Illustrates j t frfnclpl Brother Ocorrje A. Smith was X rtiUse to an outside' audience ono night. jJ til Erolher Krnstus fell asleep. "vVhen he i j Ct UVocsh preaching he r--vt down and cl-1 cl-1 'Urri Brother Crastus nnd requested Mm to 5 I tt rdi. testimony It was thought thnt ? ' Errtiff Erastus had scarcely heard a word; h- j let t arose nnd said. 'My friends, every i ' txI lht niy brother hero has sjild Is God's 3 i Wk' Now. why did ho say so? Thero was 5 j i retton for this. Ahy ho knew Brother 3 ' Otrpo A. Smith, ho had heard hjm preach ? i i kit Iff 1 times, and ho know that he was j ! i cm of Infplratinn and that he would novcr j bj anything but what was true. Well. I h i aisk trhtn a man lo eo well acquainted with Cnt presidency with tho apostles, with p. i tit ratrinrchs, with the presidents of tho sev-I'fitltJ, sev-I'fitltJ, sr.d with tho presiding bishops, ho i rctbt to havo some confidence In tho posl-j'ticvcf posl-j'ticvcf thwe brethren; and If that brother Is t i nU?r Iot In his mind and does not really fcol 4 eej-elent lo Judce of Iho matter, he oucht -;t:Uvc confidence In his brethren. Still, thla !' 'tiVjt i-ti not amount to very much, any-J any-J nr. It In tho General tenor of tho course tilt Brolhr Thatcher has been puraulni; since ; era bffore Ihc orpanlsatlon of this flrat 4. KeMttvty or before I was callod to be tho l" itnt of tho quorum of the twelve Many . fit: ihlncB mltrht bo said, but I do not j 1 TK. to occupy thr time. -' Ti.ttbron and sbters. these nro solemn i .j init that I have told you nnd what Presl-a Presl-a i! Wcjdruff has stated. I want you nil s 1 Wy for Brother Thatcher As soon as a 1 phyelcal abilities will allow, we shall j j lift fclm b-iforc our quorum, and he will be il j tmld by his friends. But there nro cer- ' UIj rulei and regulations that we, ns the J. 'jwnett cf Gofl. must conform to, and we iy i in r.&t rrrBonyllile for them." 1 J Elder John Henry Smith. 1 )t 'ytrclhrcn and sifters, this meeilnc Is t Hjf tl thn sorrowful meetings In my e.pc-V e.pc-V tjtkitt. I havo recognized the fact that there jl 2ut be an explanation niado to tho Iattcr- f Sslnu in connection with tho subject V jio uhlch tho president of the church nna , U rmldent of the council of tho apostles i , "fc trtated, I fully understand that wlth-4 wlth-4 Ur days after Brother Moses Thaicncr j r c.l5t-l to his aclates ho would have been m ; cttH with for his fellowship nnd standing In al ? cotmcll of the npostlca but for hlB phy-m phy-m ', ftu ccndltlon. All have felt exceedingly I rwrgnlzlng Uio fact that he had been J for some tlmo under condltlonK most . .Krttatant to himself. v fear'ul tnat tho Saints this aftcr-4 aftcr-4 '! P011 9 not fully honrd the remarks that 1 ', i mado by President Woodruff nnd $t 'WtiMtnt Snow Thoy have sought to ex-H ex-H ilf.113 to the understanding of this uudlcnco - T.'ta that haa arisen In this Inner . S. i ' tne church, that they might bo l u"5 of tho Saints from tho rcSrtf' b the Saints, of fcarfulncfa ns lo i5J?rT,tcln'M ot iho jiosltlon that thoy have 'JhH and 01 the rlghtfulnei-s of tho po- .F.'j tht Brother Thatcher haa token. I ' Jw. however that tho Latter-day Salntn m ( . ,e havo rend with certainty, through ;, it: "Bi-'.ncc of the spirit, tho correctness of ' t.II?Ulon ukcn y the presidency of tho P' as well as tho other councils that navO f ialU-d with them, and I trust that the trnandlng will he received by thoso who rv Wre today and heard the remark of tho :ttxn nna by those who could not catch E ords tho spirit In which thoso utter-Wtro utter-Wtro Riven, (J' Presidency of tho church nnd till of ths apoGlles, In thnlr dollboratlonfl on questions that affect the well-boliiff frv i rfJl ot lho cauiie. are ns candid and c,r cnBUltatlons .and expression of ill Jt nny boQ5' of ,n('n cofW possibly be. b iv n a inclusion hn been reftched ob nri"". that should be pursued. It Is jwd that oven' man will give In his fefiii i t0 lhe course marked out nnd with nji wrine volco and fixed determination, so Zz, ;"-s counsels may prevail, so far as Et.rS' amon tho whole people. ThlH foel-iit foel-iit i. ""tlment has been oxprassod In toll-iPrwir130 toll-iPrwir130 b' Bre-sldcnt Woodruff nnd by ;trt-Tm Lorenzo Snow: nnd I believe that ;Q 'twe Ct tho cucll of tho apostle, with 'a'-f? lr,,eWoncy, would mnko n similar -siOTi of vlowa upon this matter, were .-.. Pak upon this subject, la L nfl ra' thought. In the time that I n2vl0'll"'cl1 tho position In which VsU i ?'r,flnua himself. I havo held tho 'Ki - . Uie hone now, thnt he will eoo til ,CIfor.1o put Iilmvelf In unison with rwVi .' ,nnt ,,n mny stand with them ?tt tvTm. ln. th" end tho commondntlon of ; M ' through hlH humility, nnd that itfhoS not he effuccd from tho roll ftirS.WhJcn 001 ln this dispensation and t hv J ''slabllslnMl. it Is not for mo 'H tor K5uri,.hlT UlK,n u" subject I stand c.Jlu8 ,Ienl a,ul hy the presidency of Wr?. the position thoy havo taken. ;ffllm ,n?w tnoy nro r'Tht. It Is not n Lfety hL,, f'ar or doubt In my mind. It Willi lu.1 llr,Mumi! W brethren will bear of i, lhnt 1 have been slower than fklMi Si m to form Judgment or pass nn nyZnn. V to this situation as It lo rc liVt? 1 has not ben because thnro wrtH caSL.i- bt or Question In rny mind of 11! of tho iwsltlon that they hud IUon Z Jnd?m(,nt waa convinced thnt their lTo!d v.T; absolutely correct, or I never PswaLi ubscrlhed my name to that doc-rB doc-rB v. Woul(l I, ln connection with my . havo sought In various ways to t Ik t S,VJ KCn.,a clas3 or fcncctlons In the mind of r m,Li),0tl,?rv thni W0UlJ have brought him In u.,,l.n ,vth tho council of which ho Is n ? member. I i,-My P't'on has been such that I have felt i .... . ctrcinest delicacy. In every Place and ""der every circumstances, ln giving cxprcs-slon cxprcs-slon to anything thnt could In any sense re-i re-i li .v.Upon. hlm For this reason, If no other, i L , , ,nllst of tho de;tbcrutlons of my own i m u.nci, .w!lh that of tho presidency of the J church. 1 have felt extremely guarded, seek-l seek-l ,u jo gain on much time as practicable In s hlu Interest, trusting that tho tlmo would 10. wh,orV th" -Mmlghty would touch his r nn-r .v.ana.no woula tco the spirit ot klnd-i".111 klnd-i".111 ,ha5. we"cd up In the soul of Presl-! Presl-! Ubh ,i Jh!nlff'. tnnt has guided his counselors. iii ,ms iKen 0'e characteristic in every deliberation of President Snow In seeking to Jl?lrvo onc n'ho was dear to tio all. But thorn can bo no question In tho minds of tho r Latter-day Sulnts. Thero may come a tlmo 1 J . .?ur ,V01' hen perchance, amid the I jomptatlons nnd nlluremcnts of ambition, our , hope and fears for ourselves may be aroused: Ll? our 80,bcr. ,ron.E,!8 nnJ In the midst of ' 1? of lhl" llf0- the men who have " IVi?. th awil'-shlp. who havo been . chosen by Cml himself to he witness- to hie ; bon. must find themselves In that position 1 VlL "'"K '"deed listen to tho Bllll small , jolco nnd recognize the power which Clod 1 i Iml?eK ,h,as --stnbllshcd. I feel thnt this hns , Wen and In the position nf that circle In which ' ,..in ?vV nml the unfortunate circumstances , hlch havo attended one of their associates , In connection with thN matter Is to me In-, In-, deed, a matter of extreme remet. I have l r,ftJodi I have pleaded, I have dono cveo--thlng so fur us lay in my power In connec-, connec-, tion with these circumstances, trusting that our Father might so move upon tho heart of , our brother that ho would moot his brethren with a broken heart and n contrite spirit nnd i I Mi with you heart and soul.' ! During this conference my brethren and olntcra the spirit of Inspiration resting upon i the brethren hns been. 'Give ear to the legltl-, legltl-, mato and proper counsele of the prlesthoo.1.' I presume there are nOno of us who hnvo i mn.du ' "tutly of the orgnnlratlon that our l ather has established that can ques'tlon th , wiejlom of thos. counsels. If the people aro to bo united. It must b upon the basis that their hearts nro In attune with tho proposl-tloriB proposl-tloriB upon which thoy would bo united. Wo believe that God ln this dispensation haa restored re-stored tho gospel; that tho Father and tho bon camo to the prophet nnd bestowed upon him tho knowledge that God did Indeed Hve, nnd that Jesus Christ was Indeed hlo Son; thnt all tho koys'. powers aiid authorities nec-cswiry nec-cswiry to the accomplishment of his work, and that were exercised In, former dispensations, dispen-sations, woro given to him, and thnt In njl these thlilgs and In tho organization of his church, he presented ua a complete mid perfect per-fect pattern, that union might ho tho result of their counsels nnd their action "Wo note the conditions of that organization organiza-tion ln all Its benrlngs, nnd when onc of' tho cogs In this mnchlno that God himself has established shall fall io bo In atluno with tho balance of that machine, the results arc manifest In the spirits of the pcoplo; for they read, nnd read understanding!)- under the Influence In-fluence of that eplrlt. that those, conditions do not exist, and that tho machinery la not working as It Bhould. Therefore, we. recognizing recog-nizing tho purposo and design of our Father In. tho completeness of that organization, keep In 'vlow the movcincnto nnd actions of tho men at the head, the spirit of their counpol and Instruction, and we readily delect, whllo words may not spak IU tho spirit of Insubordination Insub-ordination or a determination to not carry out and fulfill the obligations which our Father haa placed upon hie children; and. recognizing rec-ognizing this, a spirit of uncertainty, of fear nnd of doubt tnkeo possession of many men whoso minds are susceptible to that Influence. "I trust that the spirit of the work shall, Indeed, ever he with tho Latter-day Salntn. thnt tho movements thnt nro made, tho efforts ef-forts that nro brought to pars to securo the best Interests of tho work and of Its; sprend In the world, shall be written ln the hearts of the ppoplo of God; and If they will attend to their prayers and fulfill their obligations, our Father will never allow ono of them lo drift from the path of rectitude ami fall to maintain tho honor and credit of hln causa In the world. But If perchance a eplrlt shall tako possession of us that we seek te avoid tho rcEponBlbllltles thnt may ntlach to 'in, and we deslro the encomiums and tho lauda-tlona lauda-tlona of men, we may find ourselves carried awny with our ambitions, and catching our foot upon tho applauae of our follows, will trip nnd fall, and will not be found carrying carry-ing tho standard nnd proclaiming tho truth ns we should In the presence of all men. ,-I desire to bear my testimony to tho truth of tho work of God. I did not llvo ln tho flesh to know Joseph Smith. I did not llvo In tho tlesh to converse with him. Tho line. I presume. Is broken when you reach mo ln tho council of the apoMle.4, as to thoso who knew him. But I am here as much of a witness wit-ness of his mission as my brethren who saw him In ihe flesh. God gnvo ma tho knowledge of his mission. He also gave mo tho acquaintance ac-quaintance of Brlflliam Young In tho flesh, whom ho raised up as well as tho Prophet Joseph, to plant tho standard of eternal truth In these mountains nnd to bo n savior to this pcoplo whom he led Into tho .sert, taught tho ways of husbandry and the responsibilities re-sponsibilities and duties of tho people of God. May tho spirit of that gospel well up ln our hearts, and tho knowlodgo that God lives, that Jesus Is the Christ, that Joseph Smith was his prophet, llvo In our hearts and grow and spread until wo shall scatter that knowledge to tho ondn of the earth and all mankind shall know of Its truth." Elder Brlgham Young. "I have a desire to say n. few words on this occasion, and 1 trust that tho samo spirit of kindness will bo ln my heart that hun been manifested by the brethren who have spoken. 1 am sure I feel very kind and lenient, and feel to extend mercy to my brethren, as I ask for mercy from my God. Thero was a time when I was nbsent from Utah for two years and a half. I left hero In August, 1S0. But I knew more than I cared to know before I left then ln relation to this matter. I cannot can-not seo a mnn rise up and stand ln open rebellion re-bellion to his brethren in deflnnco of tho pleading of hlB quorum, nnd feel that ho hns the spirit of God In him. which I witnessed provlous to my departuro In 1K0; for I kiw Erothor Moses stand In open rebellion to his quorum I have prayed for him, and I want to say to you that personally I havo shed more tears over this situation slnco tho death of President Taylor than over nil tho grief, public nnd private, lhat I havo had slnco thnt time. And I think ihle Is tho same with my brethren. But what can wo do? What poxltlon aro wo In? President Woodruff has given us the koynoto. No man or sot of men can placo thcmsolvcs In the way of this church and its progress nnd stay thero; for ' they will be ewept aside. Thoy cannot remain re-main a stumbling block to the people. "There aro a few paragraphs In tho Doctrine Doc-trine nnd Covenants that I would Ilko to read. I do not wish to multiply words, but 1 will my thlo: On a certain occasion, qulto n long tlmo ago, 1 went to President Woodruff Wood-ruff and naked hlm tho question, "What Is tho reason of this darkness thnt I seo in tho mind of n man whom I have loved like a brother, whom I had placed In my nrrcc-llon nrrcc-llon r-qunl to any man upon the face of tho earth?' This Is the unswer that ho gnvo me: 'Ho has sought to rule over his brethren, and lost tho spirit.' 1 will rend from a revelation revela-tion that has often been referred to; It Is 'A Prayer und Prophecies, written by Joseph tho Seor. whllo ln Liberty Jnll, Clay county. MIs-fcourl. MIs-fcourl. March 20. 1S" " 'Behold, there nrn many called, but few nro chosen. And why are thoy not chosen? " Because their hearts are sot so mucli upon tho things of tjilft world, nnd asplro to the honors of men, lhat they do not learn this one lesson , ' 'That the rights of the priesthood nro in-sepnrublv in-sepnrublv connected With the iiowcrs of licav-f.n licav-f.n and 'that tho powers of heuven cannot bo controlled nor handled only upon the principle prin-ciple of righteousness. "That they may bo conferred upon us, It Is triio: but when wo undertnko to covor our sins, to gratify out pride, or vain umbltlnn. or to exercise control, or dominion, or compulsion, com-pulsion, upon tlo souls of tho children of I men In any degree of unrighteousness, behold be-hold tho heavens withdraw themselves., tho spirit of the Lord is grieved; and when It withdrawn, amen to tho priesthood, or tho authority of that man. "Where brethren and nlatera, will you get iho channel of communication opened up between be-tween you and the powora lhat reign over earth' The God thnt flits In tho heavens nnd U o angels and Mint that visit tis-throUKh tis-throUKh what line of communication do they coiiie7 God lias piuced those authorities hero I io guide his people, and when a man cuts that thread for himself, then tho chnnnol of revolution Is destroyed, so far as that man i Concerned. If )u nnd I ever consider that we "in reach God and Hot his mind and wm In relation to this great work without recr lvlnff It through the-ohannel of thoKo men who stand nt the head, then till I havo to in you or myself Is, we havo cut the reread between us nnd the spirit of God and we aro left to wander ln bye nnd forbidden nnlhe. One channel, one organization! And no man may rlno ngnlnst thnt and expect that he will be favored of tho Lord or permitted per-mitted to enjoy his spirit " Elder Heber J. Grant, ini Is over n source .of pleasure, to me to iifi mv voice In testimony of thn divinity of ho work in which we are engaged, and. so r r m I iwmm tho ability. I know of noth-for- that I dealro so much to do oa to keep, the commundmcntD of my Heavenly Kftther. nml to labor to try and persuade the Lat-w?r-duv Saints to walk in that Mralght nnd , mrrw JETiS that lends to life eternal. Wo i.nvn listened hero today to tho testimony that 2s been ESrno by Brother John Henry Smith, VvTni altlinuich h wns not personally ac- .uaVnted with Iho rronhot Joseph Smith yet hn Vnowa for himself nnd not for another ,hnt Joseph Smith wan n prophet of God, and : Bo kliS John Taylor, and ho bears wit-, wit-, nosa to you hero today that ho knows that Wllford Woodruff Is a prophet of the living God. In all humility, and knowing that the words I utter I will have to meet when I stand beforo tho Judgment sent ot my Maker, I testify to -you ihal I know that God Uvea; thnt I know that .Tonus wns tho Christ thnt I know that Joueph Smith was n prophet of God, that I know that Brlcham Young was a prophet of God; thnt I know that Wllford Woodruff is a prophet of God nnd tho mouthpiece mouth-piece of God upon tho earth today; that I know that hl.i counselors are chosen of God; that I know that tho twelve apostles are Inspired In-spired by the Lord; end that I know that no man llvlni; upon the face of the earth, who has received a testimony of tho gospol, can fall to rccognlzo the authority of tho Almighty Al-mighty God that rest upon the enrth today, upon tho shouldors of these men. nnd hnvo the light and Inspiration of tho spirit of God lo guide hlm, "I pray for our brother whoso nnme haa been mentioned horo today. I havo fnnted. I have wept. I have prayed for this brother mine; yet I have been charged In the papers with having attacked him. Cod forbid that I should ever attack nny man! But. above ah things, may God savo mo and my brethren breth-ren from falling to recognize the power of Almighty God whereby you nnd I. through obedience to tho prlnclplcn of tho gospel, may be r-nved eternally " Elder Georgo Tcnsdalc. "It Is wonderful the power of .the spirit and testimony th'nt hns rested upon the brethren at thin conference. Wo have felt thht God has been with us by his Kwcr, nn3 alno that It should be manifested unto the world that the priesthood of the son of God has been restored to the earth and ihcse who bear It enjoy tho light and the power of Ood that was promised unto thoso who would bow In obedience .to tho commandments of Ood. "I deslro also to testify to tho truth of that that has been said concerning oilr Broth1 or Moacb. I love MososThn,tcher. Wo woro together ln Mexico, nnd I esteemed hlm as ono of my best friends. It was Brother Moses Thatcher that laid hln hands upon mo nnd blessed me when I went to undertnko tho mission to Europe. I have pleaded for hlm, and nil the apostles havo pleaded for him, and that In tho reason no action has bt-en taken. We wanted him to havo plenty ot opportunity op-portunity for repentance; that ho might como with a broken heart and contrite spirit, and say, 'Brethren, forgive mo for all my wrongdoings; wrong-doings; let mo bo one with you, as I have been In times that nre past. That Is what we havo patiently waited for. We havo pleaded before tho Lord that he would touch and soften his heart, that he might see his petition as wo seo It. Do you think that wo nro all under a false Impression? Do you think that this bod of men. who llvo near to the Iord, nnd whom you sustnln as prophets, proph-ets, eccrn and revelators. are all wrong, und ho Is right? I pity nnybody thnt cntcrtalnB such nn Idra. It Is rather untenable. It Is not ro. Tho reason ther has been so much leniency Is because wo hnve loved him. Wo hear that ho Is Incrcnslng In health and strength, nnd we look for hlm to cohu with tho broken heart and contrite spirit, nnd bo associated with us. If there Is anybody thnt loves him more than wo do. I would llko to know where you find him. "I am thankful to bear my testimony concerning con-cerning this work, because I know it Is true I know that these principles wo have received at this conference are true. We nre the rep-resentntlvcs rep-resentntlvcs of tho Lord Jesus Christ, or we are not And we can bo tested; for we tell tho peope that If they will repent and be baptized by a mnn having authority, thoy shall receive the remission of their sins; nnd thoy shall know through the gift of the Holy Ghost concerning the doctrine; for tho Lord will reveal It unto them. That In our promise prom-ise to all tho world, because we know that the Lord hns spoken, nnd thnt he In a re-warder re-warder of those who diligently seek him. I pray that tho spirit of unity which exists between tho presidency and tho apostles may never be nny leas, but thnt It mny Increaso until wo shall become ono with Christ as he la ono with the Father, to his oternal honor nnd glory." President Joseph F. Smith. "I wish merely to say a word , to guard the pcoplo from unwise sympathies. Whllo wo may havo a great deal of love for our fellow-beings, and especially for thosoi who havo been favored of tho Lord In times past, we should exorcise that lovo wisely. Now, I lovo men and women who are devoted to tho caus of truth, and my sympathies nro always with them. But It Is Impossible for mo to sympathize sym-pathize with those who do wrong. "Tho Lord haa said: " 'Therefore, bo not afraid of your onomlen; for I havo decreed in my heart, salth tho Lord, that I will provo you In all things, whether you will abldo ln my covenant, even unto death, that you may bo found wt thy For If ye will not nbldo in my covenant, yo aro not worthy ot me." Tho man that will abldo ln tho covennnt Is my brother and my friend, and hns my sympathy and love, and I will sustatn him. But the man who raises his heel and his volco against tho servants of God nnd tho authority of tho priesthood on tho earth Is not my friend, and he has not my sympathy nor my love. Of course, I rospect the rights of all men. and honor thoso who nro good and upright among nil people. And God knows, nnd I would that you should know, that when a man repentH ot his slnB, when a man thnt has dono wrong will humble himself him-self beforo tho Lord, and will show his determination de-termination to nbldo In tho covenant unto death, and comes with a humblo spirit and contrlto heart beforo tho Lord and ids brethren breth-ren and acknowledges hln fault, asks forgiveness, forgive-ness, and his acts correspond with his professions, pro-fessions, oh! God. how my heart yearns with lovo and affection, compassion, 'charity and forglvoness for thnt man. I will go more than halt way to meet him. But I will not turn ono hair out ot my wny for him thnt hns hardened his heart against the Lord and against the truth, and that hns turned away fiom the new and everlasting covennnt nnd has proved that ho will not abide In It. He must look to hln own way. I will turn him over to God to deal wllh as seemeth to hlm good. "That In where I stand In relation to this matter. Wo havo not dealt harshly wllh nny man. Charily and love, morcy and kindness have pervaded all our deliberations nnd nil our counsels together concerning our brethren, breth-ren, nnd all that wo hnvo hail to do with. Wo novcr entertain a feeling of bitterness, or of re6entmen(. or of wickedness ln our hearts toward any man. on the contrary,' wo navo exercised charity, forbearance, nntlcuco nnd long-suffering, until pntleTico ceAucs to be a virtue. In my Judgment, nnd it Is about time lhat Jnstlco should claim Its own. Morcy has done Its work; pntlenco hns endured long enough, nnd all Israel must know that a mnn, whether ho Is un apostle, a high priest, or a seventy, that will not henrken to tho volco of God. that will not glvo his hoort unto tho Lord, lhat la not obedient, must cease to bo fellowshlpjied by tho pcoplo of God. We cannot uphold men who will pursuo a course llko thlo, or who will betray their brethren. Wo cannot nfford It. nnd wo run-not run-not do It nnd be Justified beforo the Lord. "We havo received a communication, saying say-ing that wo stood self-condemned before the people, because we had transgressed the law of God. Wo have transgressed no law of God, ao far as we know. It Is a clear cose of tho twelve Jurymen, eleven of whom were united and saw eye to i-ye, whllo the one ctood out alone, claiming thai all the rest were wrong We hnvo borne and borne. Six inoDtliH havo jiassed aye. yearn havo passed, because that which occurred six months ago marked only tho forka of tho road, only tho dividing line. For years before we had tolerated, tol-erated, and patiently waited; we had prayed and petitioned, and we had suffered long, anil yet to no nvulL Our councils havo seldom been graced by his presence. Ho haa not felt It necessary to be ono with his brothrcn. He hns outranged himself from us not wo from him. Ho must nbldo thn consequences. And wo vant to tell you thnt those matters do not hlngo upon political questions, either. Wc can tell you further that every mnn Is free, uo for a this Is concerned. Tho question Is not In H'gnrd to nny man's political po-litical faith. It Ib ln regard to the order of tho priesthood. It Is purely, clearly nnd colely an ecclesiastical matter. It Is not n personal matter at nil. It Is n matter of compllanco on tho lvnrt of the members, wllh tho order thnt God hns Instituted ln the church on non-compliance therewith. It Is a matter concerning tho government of tho church, and tho authority which God has Instituted In-stituted to direct and to guide. It Is Iho question ufi to whothcr the people will unite with the majority of tho priesthood, who nro united and nee eye to eye, or whether they will bo misled by one mnn. "May tho Lord help us to see the rli;ht. nnd not to condemn till wc know nil the truth, nnd not to Judgo our brethren nor be harsh, for wo havo not been." Tho foregoing remarks wore Intended not ni? an arraignment of Moses Thatcher or In uny way at n trlul of his cause, but simply sim-ply an nn explanation to tho Latter-day Salntn that they might understand tho situation. But ho nnd his lutlmnto asHOclaleu nnd Hupport-crs Hupport-crs construed those utterances as n public uccusatlon, nnd Moses Thatcher, who hod not nttended tho conference, as It wns reported re-ported on account ofvlll health. Immediately after tho conference mnde public uddrete.i In the Cache stoke, nnd seemed not to understand under-stand Hint ho wns acting without proivr uu-thorlty. uu-thorlty. Tho Hrsl presidency thereupon Issued Is-sued the following: Notice. Th the officers nnd members of the Church of Jesus Christ or Latter-day Saints: It having been reported to us that Brother Mofe-s Thatehor lino on thrrm different occn-olons occn-olons recently nddressed congregations of tho Snlntt at IJgun, Cache valley, this, there-lore. there-lore. In to notify you that by action of tho council ot tho llrst presidency and apostloa of tho Church of Jesiw Christ of Lnttnr-dny En I ills, tho niunonf"Moi'c.H Thntcher was not presented nt tho "general conferencCM of April und October, lR0fit6JtQ sustained lp his officii on 'an apostle; und' lhat this action of tho uu- thorltlco suspended hlm from exorcising any of tho functions of tho priesthood, thnt is, from prcuchlnt' the gospel or ndmlnlolerlng In any ot tho ordlnanceo thereof, until he, by molting satbractory amends, to hln follow-sor-vants, should bo reMored to their fellowship nnd that of the church, WILFOBD WOODnUFF, OEOIIG15 Q. CANNON, JOSEPH F. SMITH, First Presidency. In consequence of tho 111 heAlth of Moses Thatcher by request of hlo friends, action In his case had been postponed from time lo time by tho council of tl(o twelve apostles, und the understanding waa had mid ex-pi ex-pi cased that ha would not be required to ap-pour ap-pour nnd nlako mtlsfaotlon to thnt body until he should be ln lit physical condition. After making tho public addresses referred lo nbovo he enmo to Salt Luke City and. on October 15, ISM. went to the Temple, nn though ho was sftlll n member ot thu quorum of tho twelve In full fellownhlp and good standing, to meet wllh tho presidency and apostles In their prayer clrclo and general weekly meeting meet-ing He did not go to tho annex, tho ordinary- place of Ingress, hut to the door tvhero the presidency nnd apostles arc admitted. Ho was not permitted lo enter. By this exclusion exclu-sion ho wiis brought to understand hla position, po-sition, nnd ho applied by letter to President Lorenzo Snow for tho appointment of a time nnd place to meet with the npostlcs nnd confer con-fer with them concerning, hln case. In rwponao to that request ft special meeting meet-ing of tho twelve wns called lo meet at the historian's office on Thursday. November .12, ISM. nnd he wns informed of tho fact by letter from President Lorenzo Snow Tho council met os per nppointmcnt. but Moses Thatcher did not appear. Instcnd, ho sent a long communication to tho quorum, going over the grounds of his case from his own standpoint, stand-point, nnd Informing tho npostlen that they "need not convene." In order to glvo him another opportunity to appear nnd place himself ln hnrmony With his brethren, another special meeting wns appointed ap-pointed at the historian's office, at 10 a. m., November 19, of which he waa duly notltlod by letter. When the tlmo came ho ngnln failed to appear, but sent another communication. communi-cation. In whloh ho stated that he had not been Invited to be present. Tho case ot Moms Thatcher was then fully considered by the council of apostles, and their nctlon Is set forth In the following: Notice. To tho officers and members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints: This is to Inform you that at'n meeting of the council of apostles held this day (Thursday, (Thurs-day, Novcmlwr 15, 1S9G). thero being present Lorenzo Snow, Franklin D. Illchards, Brig-ham Brig-ham Young, Fruncls M. Lyman, John Henry Smith. Georgo Teasdnle. Ilcber J Grant. John W. Taylor. Marrlner W. Merrill nnd Anthon IL Lund, which meeting wan called for tho purpose of considering and Inking nctlon on tho cnoo of Elder Moses Thatcher nnd of which meeting nnd its object ho had been duly notified after a full consideration of all the circumstances of the case, and after each apostle present had expressed himself upon the subject. It wa3 unanimously decided that Moses Thatcher ho severed from the council of the twelve npostlcs and that he bo deprived of his oposlleshlp and other offices In tho priesthood. LORENZO SNOW President Council of tho Twelvo Apostles. This notice wan served upon Moseo Thatcher, and he gave to tho morning papers, on Sunday. Sun-day. November 22, ISM. all tho correspondence which had passed between him and President Lorenzo Snow In reference lo this matter. Although Al-though this should havo been recognized by nil I.ntter-dny Saints as highly Improper. It created pympathy for tho deposed official of tho church among those who woro not woll Informed concerning the order of the church and tho particulars of the case. Tho comments com-ments that wore made Induced some of tho brethren who hnd listened to remarks from various source to send a communication to President Snow, auk I rig for nn explanation ot tho Thatcher case, thnt false Impressions concerning con-cerning the course of the twelvo ln relation to It might bo removed. Following Is tho letter, with tho reply of President Snow: Letter to Snow. "Salt Lake City. Nov. S3, 1S5C. Eldor Lorenzo Lo-renzo Snow, President of tho Twelvo Apon ties: Dear Brother: Ah there has been much dlFcusslon over the correspondence between Hoses Thatcher and yourself, and some of our own people nre nt fea In regard to tho primary cause ot Brother Thatcher's lack ot harmony with your quorum, leading to hln excommunication therefrom, In behalf of a number of such porsons wo pen you this communication. com-munication. "Wo aro aware that "the difficulty mainly rented wllh the twelvo nnd ono of Its members; mem-bers; also thnt when action was taken in tho case thero was no need of your making further fur-ther explanations We can nppreclato your abstinence from controversy, on a purely church matter, through tho public prints. "But, seeing that thero nppcars to bo a misapprehension of the fncts In tho case, and that many good pcoplo aro llnblc. In consequence conse-quence of that, to form Incorrect conclusions, wc respectfully ask you. If it bo not Inconsistent Incon-sistent with any rulo of .tho church or of tho council over which you preside, to mako some public sjntomcnt which will servo to place this matter In Its true light beforo tho Saints, and clear away the mints which, to some at leant, teem to surround the subject of Mosea Thatcher's deposition. As he has given to tho world the prlvato correspondence" correspond-ence" lhat passed botweon you and him In a church capacity, is It fair, even to yourself nnd your associates, to icavo tho matter In Its present condition and open to oo much misconstruction? If you would mnko an explanatory ex-planatory etatemcnt through tho Doseret News wc believe It would be highly esteemed by many others, as well 113 your brethren In tho gospel, NEPHI L. MOnitlS. "ARNOLD G. GIAUQUE, "ARTHUR F. BARNES, "R. C BADGER. "T A. CLAWSON." Snow Gives Out Correspondence. "Snlt Ijike City. Nov. 30, 1S50. Messrs. Ncphl L. Morris, Arnold G. Glauquo. Artnur F. Barnos. R. C. Badger and T A. Clawson: Dear Brethren .In response to your esteemed communication of tho JSth Inst., I have determined, de-termined, nftcr conference with several of tho npostlcs. to offur some explanations on tho enso of Mof-os Thatcher and comments on tho correspondence to which you refer, through tho columns of tho Dcscret News. "The auostlcM did not view the publication of tho leltero that pasad to and from Brother Moses Thatcher and tbcm as calling for nny controversy on their part. Nor did they think It a proper thing to give thoso ccclesla.itlcal communications genoral publicity through secular sec-ular newspapers. Tho letters bearing my signature sig-nature were not prepared with n design for publication, whatever the others might havo been and were regarded as church matters for tho consideration solely ot tho respective pqrtles. It Is only became those letters have been given to tho public, and because It seems, from whnt you say. that an Improper Impression Im-pression hus been mndo upon the minds of some people thoreby. thnr I comply with tho requoht to meet sonic of tho statements they contain. "The evident purpose In publishing those communications wan lo oxclto public sympathy, sympa-thy, and the unnecessary and superfluous appeals ap-peals they contain convey tho Impression that thoy were concocted for that purine. They wcro not relevant to the Issue Involved. Moves Thatcher was not on trial for his fellowship. Specific charges were not preferred either In public or In private. Thu question was solely nn to his standing as ono of the apostles. In consequence ot his lack of harmony with the quorum of tho twelve, of Which ho waa a member. Thnt question he could have settled set-tled at nny tlmo If he hnd so desired, and that without a formal trial By placing himself him-self l:i harmony with his quorum. In tho pplrlt of humility nnd conformity with Its mil's, of which he was not In Ignorunce, ho could have saved himself nil the trouble and deprivation of which he complains, "In his review of what ho calls his ense he lays great stress on the mntter of tho declaration decla-ration of principles, which ho refused to sign nfter It hnd received the Indorsement of tho first presidency, tho apostles (excepting himself), him-self), tho patriarch, the seven presidents of tho seventies, nnd tho presiding bishopric, comprising tho gonornl nuthorltlcn nf the ciiurch. llln excuse Is that he had only about an hour and thirty minutes In which lo con-hldor con-hldor It. pKunlly inon do not requlro much time to consldor a mutter which they havo nl-ways nl-ways held to be right. Thero was nothing now In that documont ns It relates to church discipline. It conlnins that which li'is nl-Tayn nl-Tayn been an established doctrine of the church. When the contmltte which prepared It submitted It to tho other church nuthorllles they signed It nfter rending without limitation limita-tion nnd without requiring time to dellbcr-nte. dellbcr-nte. It embodleo so manifestly a conceded nnd necesary rule that everv one In harmony har-mony with the church nuthorltles ncceuted It at onco. nnd the church ns a hodv has received re-ceived nnd ndonted It im on essential rule. Why should Meson Thnteher nlono of all tho ehurrh nuthorl'les. fcol lht he cnuld not Hen It. n.i he nll'ses. 'without stultlileatlon?' Wns not that In Itcolf evidence thnt ho wan nnd had lven out of harmony w('i his brethren? breth-ren? And are they not men jji little dl-pesed dl-pesed ns nnv one living to slultlfv I'lOmsAivos. or to nsfcnt to Kiivtlilne wrong thnt In nf vital Imuortnnco to Mem nnd to h" church? "lie charges thnt hln letter refusing to sign Iho declaration wiih 'suppressed Thero wns nn suppression In the mntter at nil. The letter wus net ndtirenged to the conference por to the public. Out of morcy and compassion compas-sion to hlm no reference wrc me.de to IiIh Mintumncy nt tho April conference, but his namo wns simply dropped from the Hut of authorities au-thorities prchonted. How could h" hove been siiHtnlned under tho rlrcumFtnnces? There are six of tho twelve now living who voted for hln appointment to the luinHtloshlp. Not nno of thnni would havo unstained him for that petition If It had been known Unit he then enterlnlned vlowa entirely out of hnrmony with those of that body. "Tho letter nddre.-iod on April C to his nn-sociatcs nn-sociatcs wau a deliberately composed com munication showing that ho was ablo to understand un-derstand tho document which ho refuf-ed to sign, and Wh prompt publication of that letter, let-ter, ln a secular newspaper, ijhowB that ho had n deliberate Intention to oppose tho declaration decla-ration and defy his brothrcn who promulgated promul-gated It. But If ho did not havo sufficient tlmo to consider the declaration nt tho April conference, what about tho six months which elapsed before the October coafercnco7 Was not that tlmo enough" During that interval he wac visited by many of iho brethren, some of them apostles, and no change was effected, bui he failed even lo attend tho October conference con-ference or to manifest a disposition to conform con-form to the principles ot tho declaration. "It Is trun that he was In poor bodily health during that period. But ho was not too ill to upbraid brethren who tried to impress him with the danger of his position, nor to accuse ac-cuse somo of them of having 'blanketed their 1 cdnsdenco' In signing: the declaration, "Ho states in his letters that he would havo attended Uie October conference If It ha1 not been for tho 'assurances nnd reassurances' he had received that nothing would bo done concerning con-cerning hln standing until his health nhould be restored. Ha then complals bitterly of the explanations given to the conference ns to his position, and seeks to convey tho impression im-pression thnt the were a breach ot good faith "The 'assurances.' to which ho refers wero faithfully fulfilled. Ho Tao left In statu quo. Every tlmo It wan Fhown that Uie condition of his health would not admit of his meeting with Jils quorum tho question of his standing . wns postponed. 3ut meanwhile ho nnd hla friends wero not slow to talk about his rts-eoclaten rts-eoclaten and to convoy unwarranted Impressions Impres-sions concerning their course In his 'cnno.' So much misunderstanding won thereby created cre-ated that it becamo absolutely necessary to make some explanations that tho Latter-day Saints might not ho deceived. President Woodruff Wood-ruff wafc ea strongly impressed with this that he addressed tho conference on Uie subject, nnd his statements wero indorsed by eoveral of tho twelve who followed him. "This was no 'trial' of Mosea Thatcher. It was simply a necessary explanation of his status. It Involved the question of his lock of harmony with the church authorities. His claim that hi waa publicly accused, and there-foro there-foro should havo a public trial, Is astonishingly astonish-ingly absurd. Ho was not accused In the sense of n trial or investigation. The fact of his lack wllh harmony with tho authorities authori-ties was explained and nhown to bo of much earlier date than his refupal to sign tho declaration dec-laration and his engaging ln nctlvo politics. To plnco himself ln harmony with tho twelve, or refuse to do so, required no 'trial, cither public or prlvnto Ho did elther. Yet tho assurances given hlm which he mlsconntrues wcr6 observed and his 'cose' wns not called up until he was ablo to appear. "It was hut a few days after tho conference, even If it had cnUrcly closed, beforo ho appeared ap-peared and spoke at public meetings as though ho still held tho authority In which he had not been sustained nt conference. Thin necessitated neces-sitated the announcement from the llrst presidency presi-dency through the Deserot News that ho had no right to offlclato In tho priesthood while In hla suspended condition. 'Notwithstanding tho facta stated ln that announcement, when he chogo to present himself him-self to tho authorities, he presumed to attempt at-tempt entranco to the tempio for that purpose, pur-pose, and at a time, when tho flrnt presidency un, well as the twelve met for the consideration considera-tion of other church matters and for holding their prayer circle. No ono could attend but those of their own body, nor even enter tho house unless In good standing. No mcmbor of the church without Iho proper rccommind can obtain admittance to tho Temple, no mntter how much be may have contributed to Its erection That wbuld cut no figure ot all In tho right of entrance. It Is amazing that Moses Thatcher should attempt to intrudo tho boast of hln contributions Into tho question ques-tion of entorlng the Tempio of God wh?n not In good ntnndlng and full fellowship. "His exclusion from tho Tempio ho construes con-strues Into being 'denied the privilege of meeting meet-ing with tho quorum.' No ono knew belter than ho that' there was no such denial. Tho ossuranco given him by Elder F. D. Richards Rich-ards nnd othors of tho quorum wns proof ot tholr willingness to meet him and their Joy at his manifestation of cvon a deslro to meot them. That thero were other places and oc-cni-lons when ho could properly havo an Interview Inter-view with his brethren ho fully understood, and ho subsequently applied for It no ho should hnvft dono lone before. "In phasing I will notice his technical qulb-blo qulb-blo nbout tho closing of tho Temple ngalnnt him on October 1C for hln disregard of my letter let-ter of October 23, which he oays Is hard for him to understand A careful reading ot my letter will show that tho difficulty Is of his own manufacture What I s-ald conveys no nuch meaning ao ho assorts. I said, 'This being tho condition ot affairs, you wero not admitted to tho Tempio on the forenoon of Thursday." The 'condition of affairs' which caused that exclusion Is set forth In tho tlrst paragraph of my letter, rind relates to occurrences oc-currences beforo tho 15th It is true that my letter of the 23rd in reply to his of tho 16lh Is incidentally mentioned, but only as something some-thing growing out ot what happened on tho Uth. nnd of courso was not Intended to apply as n condition existing beforo that dnte. This porvorslon of plain language shown what small evasions will bo resorted to when ono sets into the dark. "Reference to the conference discourses published ln tho Dcwret Nows wns mado that Brother Thatcher might know exactly what the brethren said, that ho might ree the necessity neces-sity thero was for tho pcoplo to understand where ho ntood, and that ho might seo tho need of putting himself In harmony with tho church authorities. "It lu necessary to notice his complaint that ho had not been Invited to nttend tho meeting meet-ing at which final ncUon waa taken in his case In his letter dated November 1 ho says: " T returned to this city Thursday a week ngo tomorrow and havo dally expected to hear rcspectlnr; a tlmo when I could seo tho brothrcn onco moro together. No word having hav-ing reached mo respecting that matter. I adopt this means of respectfully asking you hen nuch meeting can bo arranged. An early a reply as convenient will greatly oblige, ob-lige, your brother ln the gospel. " 'MOSES THATCHER. "To this I replied, 113 ho published, undor date of November C: " 'In accordance with your wishes for a mooting. I ako pleasure in appointing 2 o'clock on Thursday noxt ot the historian's ofUce, upon which occasion tho auorum will be pleased to meet with you. With kindest regards, your brothor and reiiow-servani. b " 'LORENZO SNOW.' "On tho day appolntod tho apostles met. nt tho time nnd plnco thus designated, nnd they received his lengthy communication dated November No-vember 11. In which ho said: " "I shall not trouble my brethron, therefore, there-fore, to convene In a special meeting named for Thuraduy at 2 p. m. at tho historian's office. ' "Thereupon tho council of the npostlcs gave hlm ono week more, and notified hlm that ids coso would bo called up for action nt a moetlng to bo held In tho hlstorlnn'n offlco nt 10 n- m. on Thursday, tho 19th Inst., as appenm In my letter, published by him with the other correspondence- "When that duy arrived wo received his last letter In which ho said: " 'Ah thero Is to be no trial of any case, nnd us I Km not requested lo bo present, I tako It to be tho purposo of considering my ense,' etc. Out of Harmony. "Whv should thero havo been any further tampering with the case? Moses Thatcher was entirely out of harmony with hla brethren breth-ren the apostles. Ho wus nlmply required to put himself in accord wllh them as In required re-quired by thu gospel and tho order of tho councils of the priesthood. That lm declined to do. After asking for n time nnd place to be appointed when he could moet with thoin. and In response to that request a tlmo and place were set. and tho apostles came from distant points for the purposo of meeting with him. Instead of appearing he coolly notified thim bv loUor that ho would 'not troublo thorn to" convenor Thon when thoy gave him another week In which to appear, and notl-llcd notl-llcd hlm that his cuno would be called up for consideration nnd nctlon, ho still treated tho council with contempt, and nsserted, "I am not requested to bo present." "That tho council of the apostles look tho onlv consistent action that was left open, must be ovldent to every I.attor-day Saint who has eyes to seo nnd n heart to understand. under-stand. Why Mosos Thatcher did not meet with his brethron. affnr thoy had assembled nt his own request, Is best known to hlm- f. Notwithstanding his past courwo, they were ready to recolvo him with open urms If he had come In the proper spirit ami put hlniBelt In accord with them As ho would not. they expelled hlm from the priesthood, ns thev were In duty bound to do. "IL should be known thnt lhe disaffection of Mosch Thatcher date back to a llmu long he-fore he-fore political illfllcuUlon could enter Into tho matter. President Woodruff has staled puh-llclv puh-llclv that Moses Thatcher had not been In full harinonv wllh hln oubrum since the death of President John Taylor. Trouble woji hnd wllh him before thnt tlm". "In 1S-C ho proclaimed In public discourses Idens nnd predlclnnn no Indorsed by his brethren. At I.ewlston. Cache county, notes were taken of his nltorunecs nnd published on n fiv-lenf. Ho was subpeouently written to by Prenldent Taylor nnd hlu answer In on file. While he claimed thnt he had not been accurately reported, he govo hli own lan-nunee. lan-nunee. under his own hand to the effect of predictions of events to occur within live years, which have failed of fulfillment nnd which wore founded on erroneoun Interpretations Interpreta-tions of scripture Ho wrote for publication n sort of rotrnr.llon which really took nothing noth-ing Iwck. but merely changed partial errors lu lhe report ot hla cxtrni-agant remarks. "He was out ot harmony with his brethren breth-ren ln relation lo a standing nppellnto high council, which he clulmcd should bo ap-' ap-' 7 ; Therie words wen; omitted from tho Desec-ol News- ; pointed and which notion he han never- ac-knowlcdgcd ac-knowlcdgcd was incorrect "Ho' disputed with President Taylor as to the nppointmcnt of president of the Logan tempio nnd contended for n man of his own selection, even nftcr thu president announced tho appointment by revelation. "Ilia beArlng with his bjothrcn of tho twelve was such that ho could not brook dlB-sent, dlB-sent, and resented their non-acceptance of his personal views. "When Wllford Woodruff's accession to tho presidency was under consideration, as tho proper successor, he expressed opinions which showed thnt ho regarded human smartness nnd business ability as above that simplicity of character nnd susceptibility to divine Impressions Im-pressions which am noloblo ln lhat faithful sen-ant of Cod, and objected that such a man could not grasp tho situation of affnlrs or cope with lhe difficulties urlslng. Ho was 01lVilt'1, nut Persisted In hln views. "hen President Georgo Q Cannon, after the decease of President Tnj lor, wns In prison ror infraction of tho antl-polygumy laws, Moses Thatcher claimed that Brother Cannon Can-non had defrauded him. and ho threatened in the presence of President Woodruff nnd others of tho twolvo to sue him at law, and thus bring many prlvato affairs before the public through the courts. Only on being emphatically, emphat-ically, warned by President Woodruff and others oth-ers that f.uch a course, particularly In Brother Cannon n condition, would result dlcoairously n n "'8 cl,urch position, did he desist, un President Cannon's release from conflne-ncnt conflne-ncnt the matter was fully Investigated, und It was demonstrated that, Instead of Brother Cannon s owing him. he wns In Brother Cannon Can-non 11 debt to an amount which ho subsequently subse-quently pnJd Por his Insults and hard lan-Kuane lan-Kuane toward Brother Cnnnon.he hnn nevfcr apologteed nor made any amends. This Incident Inci-dent Is referred to In President Cannon'o absence ab-sence from the State. Ho has always pre-BiIT.cdi pre-BiIT.cdi sllenc on thin matter and did not wish It to bo mentioned against Brother Thatcher But Ii la Important ua lhowlng Moses Thatcher's spirit and bearing toward his brethren. "Brother Thatcher makes grtat protenUons of devotion to lhe church and declares that ho htx never shirked any responsibility.' Tho pcoplo in mnny of tho various stakes ot Zlon who have been visited by tho npootles may nu themselves when thoy have eror neon Moaeq Thatehor at their quarterly conferences or other church gatherings. "He has neglected tho meetlnes of his quorum for yearn. Thlo was not always on nccount of 111 health. Ho wa3 able, nt least in tho caller part of the time to attend to buslncssand pleasure affairs, apparently ln gcod health nnd spirits. Tho roll-bcok of meetings of the presidency and tho npoatlca shows that from May, 1859, to April, 1S35. a period of about seven years, he was In nl-tendanco nl-tendanco at tho regular weekly meetings but thirty-three tlmon. There wero held 277 of those meetlngr at which President Woodruff, though weighted down by ngo nnd numerous enres. wao present VJi times; his absenco was always on ncoount of sickness. Brother Thatcher's residence wns most of tho tlmo In Logan, but tho hour wan Eot no that ho and others nt a distance could havo reasonable reason-able OPiMrtunlty lo a,ttend. "Brothor Thatcher's spirit has been contumacious contu-macious and ho has been sclf-oplnlonated and arbitrary. Previous to tho dedication of the Temple his brethren labored with hlm for many bourn to bring him Into tho proper framo ot mind to unite with them ln thnt sacred ceremony. His condition wbp not entirely eat-lefnctory eat-lefnctory at tho oloso of the protracted In-tervlow, In-tervlow, but was accepted out ot charity and mercy to hlm that ho might not bo excluded from tho dedication, with tho hope that tho spirit of tho occasion would lnfluenco him to thorough reconciliation, President Woodruffo nnnounccment ot hnrmony nmong the brethron breth-ron was mado wllh that understanding, but hnn oeen adroitly turned by Brother Thatcher to shut oft all thnt occurred before that time, and which would not now be alluded to but for his own utterances and referenco to his protended humility and harmony. "In nceepUng nomlnoIon for n political of- 1 flee, which If elected thcroto would have tnken him away from his ecclesiastical duties for long periods, without consultation with hln quorum and tho presidency, ho could not but havo known that he was violating- a requirement re-quirement of high officials In tho church. Yet ho would not consult with them, whllo ho was able to attend political gatherings and business busi-ness meetings, although ln poor health. Here again ho was out of harmony with his brethren. breth-ren. "There wns no need for any loss of manhood man-hood or proper Independence nor the forfeiture forfeit-ure of any of the rights of citizenship. But if ho did not value his apostloshln and priesthood priest-hood as if the very first consideration, he waa not worthy to hold them, and his subsequent course shows thnt he hold them in great esteem es-teem In theory, but In very nmnll esteem ln practice. Flno words nnd sympathetic phrases do very well lo influence tho public but they, count for nothing In tho face of deeds that contradict them, and tho falluro to do tlial which Ib so rhetorically professed. The standing nnd fellowship of Moses Thatcher Thatch-er ns a mombcr of tho church havo not been brought Into question, therefore thorc has been no trial. Ho has been deAlt with by his quorum for lack of hnrmony with his associates, asso-ciates, something that wa entirely in his own power to correct without grent exertion or much time. If his standing in tho church was at stake, specific charges would be made, and h" would havo to answer to them In the usual wny, which Is not and has not been by -public demonstration. "What has been done waa necessary and a duty. Action was not taken until It was certain cer-tain that no further delay would be of any U30 or benefit. Moms, Thatehor has been treated with greater consideration and mercy than any other man who has taken tho course which ho has pursued. Ho has been prayed for. waited upon, pleaded with and wept over until his rebellion and contumacy wero seen to be Invincible, and ho. Is In opon hostility to regulations which tho whole church han ndoptod nnd ratified. He could not ami cannot can-not bo any longer empowered to net ln tho nuthorlty of tho holy prlcBthood. "And now let the Latter-day Saints ponder upon the situation and lake tho warning given by tho Prophei Joseph Smith as n key to tho church for all tlmon. It Is ns follows. " 'I Will give you one of the keys of the mysteries of the kingdom. It is nn otcrnnl prlnclnle, thnt hna existed with God from all eternity. Thnt man who rises up to condemn others, finding fnult with tho church, saving sav-ing that thev arc out of the way while he himself Is righteous, then know assuredly thnt thnt mnn Is In the high rnad to nrrostasy: ami u lie cipen noi rcneni. win anotanzo. ns ijoiI Uvea (Hletorv of Joseph Smith. Julv 2. lfl.) "In conclusion I repeat the words of hlm who soak" as never mnn spake: " 'Ho that exalteth himself shaM ho nbased. but bo Unit humbleth himself shall bo exalte''. ex-alte''. "Your brother in the rohnel. "LORENZO SNOW." Woolloy's View of Affair. Previous to tho publication of tho forcco'ng letters, some young men In Salt Lake City nddrt.-scd a loiter to their father at St. George; they received tho following reply, re-ply, which sets forth m clear and comprehensive comprehen-sive n view of the subject thnt It Is hero prunented for the carerul consideration ot the reader: St. Georse, Noi . 2S, 1SS3. My Dear Sons. Gordon. Richard and Frederick: Fred-erick: Since writing you last nnd on the pamo day I wrote you nbout thu Tluitchur mutter, wo iccelved yours of the 22nd. and also had tho Sunday nnd Monday Hetajd. so that I hnvo the loiters between Brother Thatcher and President Snow, and also hitvo tho articles of Tha' Tribune on tho mat tor, as well as the Nowa artlcluM up -to tho 2Uh. The mall did not connect yesterday, so I havo nothing Inter, but I think I have enough to size up the situation fairly well. An outsider ou rending the letter between Thatcher nnd Snow will vci-y naturally think lliut Moses Thutchor has not hnd fair tieat-mont. tieat-mont. fiom the fact thut his quorum W011I4I not formulate any charges for hlm 10 plead to, und dealt with him without giving him a chance to bo heard In self-defense. L'nder u legal procedure, or In common buslnc6u transactions, this view would undoubtedly be the correct one. hut to one who is uomowhal familiar with the principles of tho gjepcl, tho organization of the church nnd Its quorums of thu priesthood thu matter assumes a different dif-ferent usect. The statements of the members of his quorum quo-rum mnde at the lust conference throw considerable con-siderable light on thu troublo. oven though nothing definite was said as to the particular points of difference between htm and the others oth-ers of tho twelve. Thnt he s'.ood ulono ns opposed op-posed to his quorum In nny mutter of church discipline, nnd refused to put himself In harmony har-mony therewith, after n fair time had been given hlm. Is In Itself enough cause for hU being placed outside the quorum, as It Ih lm-poeslble lm-poeslble for 11 body of thnt kind to do ltn proper work with disunion In Its midst, and while the people generally may not havo known ull the mutters ot difference, still Thatcher's usefulness In his place as nn npos-tlo npos-tlo would he Impaired, and ho could not do his duty In his high nnd holy calling, This being co. It was his plain duty to placo himself him-self In harmony with the others of hln quorum, quo-rum, or. falling lo do that he should havo resigned, and not havo been a ntumblln? block In the way of the progTewi of tha cnusu which he professes to think so much of. It muy be snld that the matters of iwllcy and dlwlpllne wero such us ho could not conscientiously con-scientiously sustain, nnd that therefore he Is Justified In rufuslng to Indoroc or work for them. Admitting lhat to bo tho cusc, ho had a right ln his place In tho quorum to glvo his views ln ns strong a manner us ho felt noceear'. nml trrfjo uiou the others lo adopt them; hut when he had done that and the niiijorlty was ngnlnst his Ideas, to say nothing or thero being In this case tho entire oleven ugnlnst ono. then ho must ncnulcsco In their decision, yield his Judgment to the Others, nnd do his best to mako tho pollay decided upon a success; If It wero not possible pos-sible to clvo It his fullest sanction, ho should al least not to nnythtnc to oppose or ob-struct ob-struct tho workings ot tho quorum, for tho '"hMi m d0," "u,ch n thing ho Is not fit I ' miT LJ8,pInco ln that auorum nnd must I . wnil for TOmo. ono ho can and will 1 ? 1 ni?rmon' wllh the heads of tho causo. it is not a siipposablc case that the olovon nre,ldengvUnn,m S"a V10 lhr the ru-Vt leh.J h n-C aro a,n colnT to tako a course and that OnPnPOe0J to,tno. oC the church. " e"tuy whM0,,18 1,10 ono wh0 ,B rlht ' . !?- t,m one mnr 10 only ono ot , mm offi,rTalM?,Uthorll:r- wUh nnoher quo' ' rum of three nUll over them. Whllo in or- 1 cu.-cd her the right to have charnes nrs. ' nnrdrC'robTirr!,thhlm to ivh,ch " I H " case Vt Im ,1?' t"1" ls nnthT kind of reiMw.'t, L8.'mpl a ""'tter of harmony and inVi wh,r between a member of a quorum , i. hquun' ,,8Clf' an' consists of differ- , iZ, L!'nJon and PPlon to tho de- cuiony of tho quorum, with which all nr nQacqu ' 1 1 thc party out ot harmony with I hi m,hCK,s.t'Jd 10 I"ako right so that ' It U no? ln fel'ow'hlP with his quorum. fco to him nnat "1 th leV"a "hOUld but If tl forl1 '"akfl th0 '"torencca right. lr. th one out of harmony to come to them nnd set himself stralsht: or, fnlllnir ' to do oo to riiEn his place m that hi cause may not suffer from tho want of an ' 1 s4 frmmV,H,ea,,: "orum You' wwVf lh,!L the dl"creiice between a caeo ' lm?a)ratra,b"' of the church has committed church and7" G3t ,aw" of discipline oV hi t ..m i it? d tnc 03,0 or member of a qao- ' ram In VUtn ,f har?y his own quo- minJtf VZng nn,8t have tho charrcs d?irii. . wl,h.. hln accuse, nnd of pro-cluclng pro-cluclng any evidence ho may have, to rebut und th;U9.D" asn,n.st hlm' then by th. law No ono mnr onIy cnn h be condemned. I than rhntrhl? now J""! understand "tter ! or22n?nSerJhS.8 Prtnclplee of order In the , called nn , tho church, nnd when he 1 nSirVL u ,h0 mcmbe of hlo quorum for known ?h?fF "ainl Mmsolt ho must have nf ni. 1 hu.'a8 rJu'rtn.g somethlnc out w-rUr' om?thln which they vould not 1 nonnr,n hJusllllo1 inking, nnd to nil ?p. r I t. , HY.. ?.h,ch. h? coula c'ft!rn that he hnd 1 Wlthnn, Jn s5' dcaIt Jwlth- in blnS deposed , anco or depending on the Ignor- 1 7n?i.' ou,3iao" people nnd many of tho I coursl 3e5B to """fr hlm In hb S- i tnnd by this means gain popularity i 'M indnd.nrn YK WW by "ls h0W ot ' ii??fi co ot tho church. neV. I? Ma, Jel,cr.a.. 8tcm to exhibit a meek- 1 PtudIM error,1',,?1111 fh", 18 "moihlnc of a . , i " r ,att. p06lnB ior rut"re effect, so fma ,iil,lEh.1 have tho quorum at a seem- . uubiir a ',ntafV'5 , whcn lhe mattcr became . m C,uJctU roaillnc between the lines 1 mcsu ' t0 a PplrU. 01 ,ucj- ,,, J Ho exhibited Uie cloven hoof the moment - I ho announced himself a candidate for tho i M...nuP- P'a"orm opposed .to tho rule of I 1 n a,nd Xh , wao don cn beforo ! , i . ct'n dopossd, and whllo he still pre- ffirt w. eJVCCl K no1'1 hl3 Position Whnt fM fiJ . Proot .can b0 wan-td of his dlipojl- . t on to try and gain political power and pre- ' nf ,m.?n'Vno, clail8 cnllcd "Young Utah7" , fM Ot course ho knows that there is a lnrno ' closa of tho young of this church whloh does not havo a very good understanding of tho church order nnd discipline, nnd he evident- l thinks ho can work uson thi syrnputhlo-i of this class by pretending not to hnvn hnd ' a fair showing- to defend hlmslf. but when ii , the yoilnn;, jnd many of tho older ones, too. who havo not understood this, havo tlmo to ! III u . i .mat,!tT ov?r' ,h6' wS 1101 soo the , thing In tho light that at drat eciud t be f?i. u t0. ibem' ."nd Thatcher will stand i l ho bclonss ln tboir estimation. y I hllo Thatcher may bo an honest man. and , a man whom any ono -would bo dljDog.Jd to 1 like, still there can be no doubt that ho has allowed his umbltlon mined probably with j11" personal feelings toward somo of thy leadlnc men. to havo such nn lnfluenco over him. that he has thrown away a iiosltlon which Is the hlghejt and moot honorable In tho world. Il Whllo thero may havo been many mistakes mndo by thc church authorities, and may be i i many moro made In tho future, it Is lio Jus- i tlflcallon for a man In Thatcher's position to ' take tho stand Ho has done, and hln duty 1 was to try and lenrn by tho errors committed. and endeavor to havo them avoided In the future. No mnn is perfect, nnd although IH thero aro men holding high places who nro IH entitled to the tplrlt of the Lord to teach IH them how to net so aa to brine about the IH beet results for tho causo they ripreient , fH sUll they may at times commit crrorn ln Judgment and, oven do things through M-lflsh principle, not in keoping with their profei- sions and lilch callings, eo that wo should ) not tlo to any man eo far as our faith In I tho principles of tho gospel and our ideal I of right aro concerned, but endeavor co to V llvo that wc may have tho spirit of discern- ii jjH ment and truth to guide us aright on all 1 ll subJcctK. j, f1111111 A few weeks since It would have been con- 3 i il eldorcd by many ua almost a sacrilege to havo i lM questioned anything- which Brother Thatcher f 'lH might havo said or done, but his fall shows how fallible ls man. and. that any one of L' thoso now In full standing may go tho tamn l. way, for no man ls of himself safe for a i " day or an hour. I deslro to keep enough ot , thc spirit ot tho Lord ln close communion to ' , lll enable mo to Judge between right nnd wrong, ) IH as I consider that one of the greatest of I ll God's tiilts to man. JfH There Is one thing we should bear In mind I IH regarding those high In authority, and thai I lf1! In that they ore placed on n kind of a pel- , , cslal, where their faults and weaknesses aro i plainly visible, and where they apjnr moro prominent than where exhibited by othors JfH who aro not In so prominent a poritlon and '1 havo not 50 much expected from them. i ' As to tho merits of any burliness troubles 1 ' IfH and Jealousies thero may hnve been between 1 IfH Brother Thatcher and others of tho authcrl- ' tics, I am not prepared to Judge, an I have , IH only heard one slda of a portion of them. I H nnd nothing at all from Thatcher's side, but 1 fH I assume Thatcher is able to look pretty well t after his own part of such things, an he Is a bright und Intelligent business man. I F Whllo there may bo a difference, of opinion H ns to tho wisdom of the course belnrj pursued H by tho Dcscret News In threatening the sup- 7 H porters of Thatcher for thc Senate, with ! church iiowor, still I would rather have an i H open fight nt any time ihnn to be statin; I H one policy for the outside- to hear and pur- IrH HUing another ln j-ecrot, so that I am willing i'HIl to stand by the church In an open fight for fH any principle of right, und ul no matter what cost. As to Thatcher's chances for tho Senate, IfH I tun unable to give an Intelligent opinion. IfH as I am not acquainted with a m-eat num- i IH Iter of thu Legislature, but I Uilnl: no ono . H who Is a firm Latter-day Saint will vpto to 1 H plao hlm there, becauso he has announce 1 I H himself as standing on a platform which Is H positively opiKiw-d to the discipline of tho H church, and which rules of dlrclpllne have . H beorj approved by nearly all thu members 'iH thereof. When he tnke that stand he is 1 , H imposing thu church In u vital place, and 1 """""""a see no other course than for somo onu to make . H u complaint against hlm for conduct unbecom- I j H Ing n Lnttcr-dny Saint, and unless he retiacts I 'lH fiom tho position he will necessarily have to IH bij cut off from the church. This may scorn ifH harsh to some, but thero can be no other I f f11111111 toxical outcome to a course such as he l.i ll now taking. It would be tho sumo If any Hl other member of the church should announce j (IfH himself on such a rlntform. """""""A I bellovo I am a Independent In my ldcru , ,H and action :is any cue can well be. but I try H to be consistent with my Ideas of honor an 1 .H Justice, and to recognize order uud authority 1 In church government.! Tho position I talc H on the Thatcher cneo sccius to me to bo the I 111111111J only one which can be maintained in Justlci H to the rights of thu church Itaitlf. I have u Strom; dislike to Injustice to nny BallllJ person or cause, und wMl nlwuyu defend thn H right ns I uiidorstinui It. 1 If 1 weic a member of tho legislature. I I H should surely vote against uny one assuming I M thu position Thatcher docs, not belloving that , H politics of thut kind should stnnd In tho way t . BB111111 of thc cause of truth. I havo talked with H none here, und can't say how much rym- , "'""""'a p.ithy Thatcher hey, but suppose there will i I bo n good inuny who will be led away by 1 ; tho spcclousneH of his pleas of unfairness: Pll my uvmpnthy for hlm Is for his great loss, ( ) und I would be glud to hnve htm come r H uround and make all right If he can do it ' I JBIH honestly. ! JfH All well; very cold for two nights. Ire hnlf nn inch thick on cr-.-eka. Lovo to all. ' lfallllll Tour uffectlonatc father. Balllllj EDWIN G. WOOLLKY. 1 fH As evidence of thu Implosion produced on F1111111! the minds of persons not connected with iho , F11111111! Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints. 1 M by thn dispute between that church nnd '1 Moies Thatcher, tho followlri: nrticlo from nJAVJl the pen of u Catholic cloruymun Ik here pre' (! sented. It Is tnken from tho Denver Catho- , (UBSTa llu of November 28, of which Rev T. II. I I8111111! Malonc Is editor: f1111111 THE MORMON CHURCH AND POLITICS. j ("""""M "It quells to us tha; :asi '.1'- JOTir."- P11111111J pcrs which hnvo commented upon tho action ; P111111J of tho Mormon church In Its treatment of I B11111111J ex-Apostle Moses Thntcher. have failed ut- " JMBJH terly "to grasp tho correct position of tho Mor- , P! mon church In the matter. ..... I 1 "Mr Thatcher has been put outside the fel- 'J low6hlp of the Mormon church for having, an f P11111111! alleged, accepted civil offico without taking JBJI counsel with tho church. No one. we think. Will question the right of the church to deal ' Pal"1111 with Its members In its own way, and It , P1111111 Mr Thatcher hua trnnsKressel some law ot the Mormon body we fall to see wherein any P1111111 outsider has thu right of complaint. P1111111 "A grcut cry hus been raised against tho """"""fl Mormon church because of 1(8 treatment of , P111111 Mr. Thatcher, and the old co of Interfering , In politics renewed. But wo confesn that n J careful examination fulls to show that the P11111111J Mormon church hns In any wny Interfered f1111111! In ixjlltlcrt In Hh treatment of Mr. Thatcher. P1111111! If Mr. Thatcher violated u rule of the Mor- P11111111! I inon Institution lu seeking nnd accepting- of- ffffffffa 'I I fire without tho permission of the Monncn thurch, he clearly mndo himself linlilu to tho treatment which has been meted out to him. 'ml In this view of tho enso It In qulto clrnr that Mr. Thatcher is Insincere In necking to uto hlH violation of church discipline as an argument In favor of his election to tho United Stutcs Sonnte "If the Democratic Legislature of Utah should bo Influenced In Mr, Thntchr'n favor because of his treatment by tho church to which ho has professed allegiance, tho Ix-glo-laturo would bo clearly guilty of doing by Indirection what It la prohibited by tho constitution con-stitution from doing, viz: of Interfering In a church matter which In no way concerns It. "Tho Mormon people havo shown a far better bet-ter toinper In this wholo affair than any of tholr critic. It Is entirely outsldo tho oro-vlnco oro-vlnco of the Utah Legislature to vindicate Mr. Thatcher In a matter that pertains solely to tho Mormon church; and It tho Leclsln-ture Leclsln-ture of Utah nhnuld ussumo any suoh respon-. Ability It will havo entered upon a very dangerous dan-gerous proceeding, and ono which will absolutely abso-lutely dissolve tho Mormon ohurch from Its repressed obllcatlon not to Interfere In poll-"Thro poll-"Thro Is a fundamental principle Involved In this controversy which tho Gentiles of Utah houlU not lose tdght of." On Sunday, December 13. Motes Thatcher had a very lengthy communication In the morning papers, ostensibly addressed to President Lorenzo Snow, a :i reply to his otter of explanation which appears In this pamphlet, but covering much wider ground, nnd entering Into subjects entirely outsldo of resident's Snow's remark. Whllo expressing great hostility to tho mingling of rcllnlon and politics, It mixes thorn up In a manner that injivcys to tho thoughtful reader tho Impros-Mon Impros-Mon that political ofllco Is tho chief end In lovr of the writer, and tho roliclouc part of his argument Is fn framed as to lead up to, anil mako eminently conoplcuoun tho plat-fDrm plat-fDrm on which ho precontji himself for tho suITrngos of tho members of tho Utah Btuto I.cglslaturo, IIo alro attnekn the Drscret News on political eround. all of which lo extraneous ex-traneous to tho letter of explanation published by Prcsldont Lorsnzo Snow, and whllo addressed ad-dressed to him Is clearly Intended to Influence Influ-ence tho Legislature and tho publlo mind. Starting with tho assertion that In writing hli lettor; "Tho duty In a painful one so 1 alnful Indeed, that pcreonnl considerations would bo a motlvo Insufficient to Indue mo even on a matter eo vitally Imporlnnt to mo and mine, to tako up my pen In solf-dofenno," ho goca on through nearly seven columns of rrlnt to mako statamenta nnd offer pleas which nro almost entirely porsonal to himself, him-self, and utterly falls to muko It nppear that thoro was anything llko a "duty" Incumbent on Mm to mako any of tho statements which ho elves to tho public. Tho explanations given by President Snow, In rcspon?o to tho lotter of Inquiry addiossod to him, Moses Thatchor denounces as "publlo "pub-llo charges to gratify tho curiosity of llvo young men of Bnlt Lako City," and complains becauso the specified charges ngalnst him, which ho demanded previous to his dcposal, wcro withheld from him, but aro now mado ruhllc. It should bo plain to ovcry Intelllgont mtnd that has paid attention to this matter, that no "charges" havo been mado against Moses Thatchor to placo hlin on trial, either In publlo or In prlvato, with tho exception of tho charge that ho was not In harmony with his quorum and thu General authorities of tho church. This foot ho appears to Ignore en-tlroly. en-tlroly. Tho explanations given by Prcsldont Wllford Woodruff and other church leaders tt the October conference, and thoso given In Prcsldont Snow's letter, wore not "charges" on which Moses Thatcher won to bo placed on trial, but wcro necessary Items of Information Informa-tion for tho. onllghtenmcnt of tho members of tho church, who wcro under tho Impression that tho only difference between Moses Thatchor and tho church authorities wns In relation to tho declaration of principles, cnun-clatod cnun-clatod at the April confetenco. Tho Insinuation that they wcro given mero-17 mero-17 to gratify tho curiosity of a few young men In scarcely worthy ot mention, except to show tho underlying spirit of an effusion professing profess-ing candor und fairness. Tho "pleas" for mt;rcy and "cries of anguish" of which ho speaks could all havo bcon obviated by a few minutes' conversation with tho brethren of his quorum In a conciliatory spirit. This ho could hnvo had whenever ho so desired, nnd FUch expressions fall to movo upon tho sympathies sym-pathies of enlightened people. In view of that slmplo facL Another Complaint. H Another complaint by Moses Thatcher Is j "During all theso wenry months, whllo 1 friends and physicians believed I was on the vergo of tho grave, I w.th administered to 1 only onco by members of our quorum, al- 1 though day nftcr day engagements mado for H thnt purposo wore for reasons unknown to mo H not kept. And nftcr tho manifesto was ro- ttirnod to you unsigned, none of tho apostles, H 1 xrept tho thrco mentioned, over came to my H houso or visited mo for any purposo what- This statement Is amazing In view' of tho Hl facts, unless for chnrlty'n sake tho Idea Is 1 entertained that tho sickness to which he al- 1 ludes hns blotted many things from his mem- HJ orv Times without number members of his 1 quorum visited him during his sickness, and H were nlways ready to minister to him when he was ready to receive their administrations. President Wllford Woodruff and Joseph V. Smith also waited upoa him. On several oc-castoits, oc-castoits, after waiting a long tlmu to sec him, iQino of his brethren failed to obtain any Intcr-H Intcr-H vlyw. Xono of thorn Is awaro of any 'Vn- H gigement made for thut purjKise" which was 1 not fulilllcd. It Ih not customary for the eld- 1 ers of thu church to thrust their offices upon luvallds, but the rulo Is: "jit any are sick rmong you. let him call for the elders of tho church, who shall anoint him with oil und pray over him. and tho prayer of fnlth shnll rnvo the sick." 1 Ko one of tho authorities of the ohurch has H ever refused a call from Moses Thatcher or B members of his family, tp ndmlnlstor to him. H After his rofural to slcn the declanitlon ot principles (or "manifesto" an he calls It.) It 1 Is true that calls wcro not mado uivon him 1 to frequently as before. IIo had demonstrated Hl that ho wm out of harmony with his brethren j nnd was In such a frame of mind und condt- lion of body that conversation with him was almost nn Impossibility. Ho was so .xcltrd nnd determined to talk himself, thnt any at-tempi at-tempi to onllghtcn him or respond to his vol- Ublo expressions was utterly In vain. . 1 But why should he now complain tliat ho H waa not "labored with" by his brethren In 1 reference to tho. declaration of principle-) when 1 ho admits "I understood tho manifesto then as H I undcrslnud It now?" j The ground ho.otTura for this complaint Is "It may be that KWr V.. II. Uoberts slgncnl H It without consideration, but I havo been au- B lliorliatlvely Informed thnt. strong nnd heul- H Ihy as he was In mind and Iwdy, several 1 ntembpfs of tho quorum to which I bolonceJ 1 In bo red with him day nftor 1ny for wi!kn H t). foro ho consented to accept the principles H cf absolutism It contains." j lio then remarlu: 1 ' But when I afterward learned that lis 1 claims had been ilbr.u.wxl for wetks by the j othrr m-mbti-a of tho quorun of apoftlen, that a ystcmatlo presentation of its grounds had 1 been devoted to Brother Roberts, I wa led to 1 wonder -If tho brief lime allotted mo was tho 1 r-HUlt of deilgn or accident." 1 rhcKo complalntK nnd luslmiallons are j frundoil upon error. Tho declaration of prln- 1 olplcs, which was formulated by u coinir.ltteu. 1 T.ns not prepared until a time subsequent to j tho rrronrlUaUon of Kldor li. II. Ilobert-i with H his brethren. Ho needed no persuasion to 1 1,-pon l to It his signature Ho signed it wlth- 1 iut objection, ns .did all of thu nuthor!t!e. of 1 th') church to whom It was prosente-J, with H tho solo exception of Moes Thatcher. The B principle It rontnlni Is fo mniilreKtly rx.MntIal to tho welfnrc of the church, and no clearly j In nccord with tho order of 1I10 holy prioftt- H t:i3d, ns understood from tho beginning, that H Iht.To was no netd for hetltatloii or delay. 1 riu necessity for Us enunciation nt that p.ir- 1 I 1 ular juncture n.ust bo apparent to very H Tc Meeting mind, In view of tho attltudu as- 1 turned by Mosoi Thatcher ami thoyu who H sharcl hl opinions. It la often neruiry to H .-peat well rstabllshvd doctrines and to "rxlt- mlo principles which all experienced Snlnta 1 v ht to understand, but which som9 of thein H Km to forgr-t or neKh'Ct to practice. 1 Mix complaint about hN exclusion from tho H Trniplo Is repeatcil with quibbles about ilntc, H rno of which was fully explained In PrcM- H lint Pr.ow"s letter. Thu spirit !n wh -h thoy j itu put fprward will bo dlscernttl b;. tho ma- H lority of the Latter-day b'nlnta. Complaint H x again mado by Moses Thatchor of the re- 1 -1, arks mado by President Wood ruff and other 1 k-'ncrrnlng him at thu October confcicnce. In H I had received asvunmce and reassuntnecs hnl nothing- would bo dono or said affecting a v rasa until I nhould repot t myself ready for H This statement Is nnothcr of those rcmavkn- 1 b'e departure:! from tho exnet truth, which 1 '-cur 10 frequently In his latezt publication. fho promises made to thoso of his friends 1 r-ho expressed th" deslrn that ho should not B called to account by his quorum before ho H 7. as physically ablo to endure tho mental and H t 1lly exertion necessary to undergo such nn H Investigation, did not pledge any person to H j-ofraln from speaking on tho nubjr-ct. Ho and H tils friends did not appear to think thoro was H iny seal of ollonco to be placed 011 their llpj, H Ifil It wns to correct tho Improper Impression H which had beer, made upon tho minds of miny H sf Die Saints that the explanation given by tin H brethren at th" conference wns considered H t'-cssasy. Mozos Thatcher contended, as ho H onter.ds now, that his falluro to sign the H iocluratlon of principle wns tho only note of 1 Jltconl between him und the church authorl- 1 ties. Tha rvmarku made at the October con- a-renco placed tho matter In Its truo llcht. H rni the lack of hannony between him and hi H bruthrcn was shown to havo long existed. H He deputes nnd ridicules the statement of H President Snow that tho promise to his friends H T.aa faithfully fulfilled, and axks: "When a tribunal pronounces a man guilty and announces to the world Its Judgment, hns ho been loft "In statu quo? " Hero again Moses Thatcher nssumes that ho was placed on trial, when thero had been no trlbur.nl, no trial, 110 charges, nnd no Judgment. Judg-ment. His enso was certainly left "In statu quo," and wns not Investigated nor acted upon until by his own request a Umo nnd placo wero r.ct for tho purpose, at which ho refused to bo present. Once more, chorlty would rug-goat rug-goat that his singular objections and fulluro to recognize tho realities of his cuso aro nt-trlbutablo nt-trlbutablo to mental weakness consequent upon hln affliction. IIo next attempts to ovndo tho evldonco adduced ad-duced to show his lack of harmony with his brethren und an established rulo of tho church. In his threat mado to President Woodruff, Wood-ruff, nnd snvornl' of tho twelve, to sue President Presi-dent Gcorco Q. Cannon at law when Brother Cnnnon was Imprisoned for Infraction of tho nntNpolygamy laws. This ho does by quoting a recolpt which ho iravo to Brother Cannon as prcsldont of tho Bullion-Beck company for certain share of stock In that company, which woro delivered to him by tho secretary. What application that can havo to his accusation agnlust President Cannon nnd his threut to tnko a civil caso apilnst a brother Into a court of law, boforo seeking redress according to tho law of tho Ixrd. Is nlo ono of thoso peculiarities peculiar-ities In Moses Thatcher's latest plea, which It 1ft difficult to harmonlso with good reason and church doctrine. Tho point which ho, -not very skillfully, evaden Is thnt ho was out of harmony with the President of the church nnd his nssoclalos In his 3plrlt and course toward President Con-non Con-non In this Instance. .He professes not to understand un-derstand how this matter being "a business transaction between two members of tho church" hns a bearing on his affairs as recently re-cently mado public. Such a transaction bo-twecn bo-twecn two membars of the church haa beon many times In Its history tho foundation for a trial In Its courts, Involving iho fellowship of tho member who sued or threatened to suo his brother, before that recourse which tho church provides had first beon exhaustod. Following this evasion ot the real Issue, Is nn endeavor to explain tho oubject of his utterances ut-terances In Cncho county and other places In ISiC. Ho says- "Not ono word uttered by me nt I,ewIston on the occasion referred to partook of the nature of a prophecy ns coming from me " Xrft us sec. Tho report of his remarks which wns circulated nt tho tlmo on a fly leaf, numerously nu-merously distributed, was as follows: "WORDS SPOKFN BY MOSBS THATCHER AT I,KWISTOX. CACIIK COUNTY". ISM "It Is my belief that ovcry city, precinct, county anil Territorial offico In this Territory will hu In the hnnds of our enemies, that wo will bo so burdened with taxes that It will be nlmost moro than human nature can enduro; that wo ihall cry to tho Ird both by night nnd by day for dellveronce; thnt when our heartK nro suMclcntly subdued, that our on-tlro on-tlro trust will bo In tho Urd, then shall that nrnn llko unto Moses be mlscd up nnd ralso uh up. and lead uu out of bondngo back to Jockcon county, in tho State of Missouri Thcru will bo no hesitation: everything shall bo decisive and prompt; tho mountains sdiall tromblo before him, nnd If there bo a trco or anything else In tho way of tholr progress. It shnll bo plucked up by tho power of God. Then Is tho time thnt tho Pcrlpturo shall be fulfilled that says. 'One shnll chaso a thousand, and two shall put ten thousand to flight ' "It Is my hollef that tho tlmo of our dellv-oranco dellv-oranco will bo within llvo years, tho tlmo Indicated In-dicated being February H, 3S01 (seo Millennial Slnr, vol. 15, pnge and that tho man ralMd up will bo no other than the Prophet Joseph Smith In the resurrected body; tho power to lead Israel In tho latter days, as Mobeo lead him anciently having been sealed upon his head by his father Joseph Smith, tho patriarch of tho church at that time. Jf Kather Smith had the power to bless, and thnt ho hnd this power Is most ccrtnln, from tho fact that ho was ordained to this offlca and calling by his son the prophet, boforo tho nbovo blosslng was promised on ' tho head ot Joseph Smith. "No other man can perform this mission of tho Prophet Joseph Smith (Millennial Star, vol. 15, pace C20). I do not ray all tho people of tho nutlon will be destroyed within the tlmo mentioned, but I do say that In consequence conse-quence of the wlckodnofs and corruption of tho officers of this Nation tho government will pass Into thu hands of tho Saints, and that within five years. Thero will not bo a city In tho Union that will not bo In danger of disruption dis-ruption by the Knights of Labor, who arc bo-comlng bo-comlng n formidable power In the land. Tou people In quiet I-ewlston need not bo surprised If within thu next four years the railroad Is torn up from Ogden to tho Missouri river and to San Francisco and Ir.lj Montana In tho North, leaving us Isolated as wo wcro when wo first came to this Territory- Then; Is a power to do this nnd n disposition too," meaning mean-ing the Knights of Labor 'A servant of God holding tho power and keys of tho holy apoxtleshlp does not speak In this manner for mere pastime; there Is more in these utterances than wo are apt to attach unless we aro aided by the Spirit of God. They aro calculated to cheer tho Saints In the tlmo of trial and persecution." Tho foregoing wns declared at the time to ba an accurnto report of the remarks of Moves Thatcher In Cache county nnd as repeated by him at Rockvllle In Washington county, when he was on his way up from thu South. Reports Re-ports from these extreme points were to the f.ame purport. But Brother Thatcher In . his communication to President John Taylor, to which ho refers In his latest open letter, disputes dis-putes tho correctness of that report, and gives the following as his own Version of his re-mnks re-mnks at Luwlston: "The Inaccuracy of tho report consists mainly main-ly In accrediting me with declarations mado by the Prophet Joseph Smith, and with atute-menta atute-menta recorded In htc history as published In tho Millennial Star, to. which In my remarks I alluded, and from which I quoted. Of couro I um unable to remember the Ideos sought to be conveyed In that tortlon of my remuikn claimed to have beon reported as Indicated In the prints nt mo by you. In .substance what I said wns na follows: " 'I l;llovo thnt ovcry Territorial, county and Municipal office In this Territory will be In the hands of our enemies before this religious reli-gious persecution Is ended; that we will be burdened by excessive taxation almost beyond human endurance; that political hondagu will bo so complete and so oppressive, that wo will bo compelled to purify oittTulves, ccoso to rely upon thu arm of llenh, and cry night and day with onu united volcu of supplication to God,, for deliverance. " I believe, whn thnt dny shall come nni I do not think It fur distant the mnn like Mnses spoken of In the P.00I: of Covenants will lead tho Saints out of bondugu to the Innd of their Inheritance, ns predicted. There will bo no hesitation for what God does through that deliverer will be declslvn and prompt. The mountains will tumble boforo him, nnd If trees or otln-r obstructions be In tho way of progress, pro-gress, they will be plucked up, or removed by tho power of God, nnd "one shnll chase a thousand and two shall put leu thousand to flight," ns foretold. " 'It Is my belief that the Saints will bo delivered de-livered from bondage within five years, tho Prophet Joseph Smith luivlug declared at a special meeting of the members of lion's camp, cnlli-d by revelation, manifest In vision to tho prophet and held nt Klrlland, O., on February 14, "that ho coming of tho Ixird wom , nigh even flfly-slx yara should wind up tho tcne." f.MII). Star, vol. li, page " Tho blowings ot Moss lo lead Israel In the Intter days, ivn as Moses led them In the days of Old, hnvlng b-en put upon tho head of Joseph by hts anointed fathpr. tho ordnlncd pntrlarch of tho church. I bllevc tho man to bo ralWl up." to deliver God's peoplo from tho temporal bondage will be no other than Joseph Smith, In the spirit or In thu rejnr-rrctod rejnr-rrctod bfJy.' (Mill. Star. vol. 1. page 6iO: alsco prediction In the Book of Mormon nnd l:lrlno ond Covenants.) " 'Within tho time specified bv tho prophet for the coming of the Iinl and tho winding up wene, I know not how grent mny bu thu destruction de-struction wrought upon our Nation, but the officials of-ficials thereof will cease their wlckodnos. corruptions cor-ruptions and oppressions, repent of tho hatrel of the Almighty, and stop persecuting his snlntK, or the government nnd power to rulo will pass nut of their hands. " 'Previous to the tlmo Indicated few cities In the Union will be beyond danger of disruption dis-ruption by thi' Knights of Labor nnd other Kfcrot s-ciiellf-n. fast becoming formidable formida-ble powfr !u tho land In tho midst of the doing of theso secret foclcllos I should not be surprised, nor need you. dwolllnc In quiet Lewlston, bo surprised, If within five, years, the railroads between tho Missouri river and San Francisco. Ogden arid Montana on the rorth. are largoly torn up. leaving us Isolated as when we first enmc to the Territory. The power and disposition to accomplish this, nnd much more. Is In thosa organizations, and will Increaso until tho nbundant elements of destruction, de-struction, rapidly massing, will work for thn people of our Nation torrlblo disasters, and If thoy repent not, ultimate ruin.' " How Is' It possible that Moses Thatcher can reconcllo his own report of his utterances at Lowlston with his present statement that "not ono word on tho occasion referred pnrtook of the nature of a prophecy as coming from him?" In his letter to President Taylor ho states that tho Inaccuracy of tho report consists con-sists mainly In attributing to him assertions made by tho Prophet Joseph Smith. But tho citations which ho marks, whether from tho Millennial Star or the Doctrine and Covenants, make no allusion whatever to tho events which ho snld would occur within five years from tho time when ho predicted thorn. They ore not to bo found In any of the declarations of tho Prophet Joseph Smith, or of his father or of any other leaders ot tho church. If Moses Thatcher's utterances ns reported by himself nro not In the nature of predictions, then the term has no meaning In our language. It thoso predictions havo not failed' of fulfillment, fulfill-ment, then tho history ot our church nnd Nation Na-tion slnco I f 9 1 hns no signification. But reference to thoso predictions and their falluro was not mado In tho naturo of s. "chargo" against Moses Thntchor for which ho was to bo callod to nccount, It was olmply to show- his lack of harmony with his ohsccI-ates ohsccI-ates In the church, thnt being tho gist of' tho offenBO alleged by tho church authorities. But ho urge? In further excuso this peculiar assertion; "Besides, it Is well understood by the Saints that tho formons. tivcn of apostles, aro not regarded as doctrlno." Lot us compnro this statement with tho revelation rev-elation of God through Josoph Smith to threo apostles, which tho I.ord declares Is "an cn-fumple cn-fumple unto all thoso who aro ordained unto this prloBthood." "And whatsoever they shall speak when moved upon by the Holy Ghost, shall bo scripture, scrip-ture, shall bo tho will of tho Lord, shall be tho volco of tho Lord, and the power of God unto salvation." D, A C. p. Its. This promise Is to ba coupled with tho commandment. com-mandment. "And tho spirit given unto you by tho prayer of fnlth, and If yo rrct-lvo not the spirit ya shall not teach." Doc. and Cov, pngo 170. When wo further consider tho remark reported re-ported to havo been mndo by Moses Thatcher at Lowlston, nnd which was a favorite, expression expres-sion of his at that tlmo, his present declaration declara-tion appears all tho moro remarkable. It was this: "A servant of God holding tho power nnd keys of tho holy apostleshlp docs not speak In this manner for mcro pastime. Thero la moro In theso utterances than wo are apt to attach unless wo aro aided by tho Spirit of God." IIo next disputes tho statement of his discord with President Taylor In relation to tho appointment ap-pointment of M. W. Merrill as picsldent of tho Logan Temple. But the eplrlt of forgetfulnesj which he attributes to others, muot bo nn affliction af-fliction of his own, for thero Is abundant oi-dence oi-dence to provo tho truth of President Snow's statement, and tho fact of Mosos Thatcher's appointment nn third officer In tho Tnmplo, Instead In-stead of proving, as ho claims, that ho hod not opposed Brother Merrill's appointment. Is rnther In the naturo of evidence that President Presi-dent Taylor desired to placnto Mojcs Thatcher and soothe his ruffled foollngs But If tho question wns asked, did Moses Thatcher fill that appointment nnd perform his duties, whnt nnswer could bo truthfully given 7 Thero Is actually nothing to Bhow tliat Brother Thatcher nctod ns assistant to tho president of tho Temple, even when his services ser-vices wero needed In consequence of tho very large altendanco for ordinance work Th's was mnny years beforo his sovcro Illness- It was In 1SS1. Tho next effort of Moses Thatcher Is lo mako It nppcnr that there Is a conflict between tho position taken by tho lending authorities ot tho church on political mattors previous to tho admission of Utah Into the Union, nnd that which they occupy now. That thin efTort Is a complelu falluro will bo cvldont to all who carefully examine that which ho seta forth In support of his proposition. Ho quotes from tho report of irn Interview with tho first presidency which appeared In Iho columns of tho Salt Lako Tlmos, and also refers to tho statements of tho first presidency as published In tho Dcrcret News. IIo then refers once moro to tho declaration of principles, princi-ples, and oners the o.xcuso for not signing It, that ho "could not reconcllo this last ono with thoso made by Mo leaders and ecclesiastical superiors between 1890 nnd tho date of Utah's ndmlsslon Into tho Union." Tho truth Is that then.- Is nothing In nil thoso utterances of tho lenders of tho church, botwecn tho dates ho mentions, which Is In any way out of harmony with tho principles enunciated In the declaration, or "manifesto," at ho pleases to term It. The substance of what ho quotos from thoso earlier declarations Is contained In theso two paragraphs. "Wo havo no desire to Interfere In theso matters but proclaim that, as far ns wo aro roncornod. the members of this church are entirely en-tirely and perfectly freo in all political mat- trr " Quotes Prom Interview. Thnt Is from tho announcement made by tho first presidency March IS, 1S0I Tho following Is from the Interview in tho Salt Lake Times. "Does the church claim tho right to dlctatu to Its nifmbcrs In political matters? "Tho church does not claim any such right. "That being true, are wo to understand that the church will not assert any right to control the political action of its members In the future? fu-ture? "That Is 'what wo wish to convey nnd have you understand." Now what Is thcra In thoso remarks, or In any others of a similar naturo made by tho church loaders, which dlffors from their cnun-clntlon cnun-clntlon in tho declaration of principles? In that document tho doctrine la reasserted, as a rule long established In the church thnt, "Every leading official thereof before accepting ac-cepting any position, political or otherwise, which would Interfere with the proper and complete discharge' ot his ecclesiastical duties, and beforo accepting a nomination or enlcv-ing enlcv-ing Into engagements to perform now duties, should ripply to tho proper authorities and learn from them whether he can consistently wUh thu obligations already entered Into with tho church upon assuming hln offico, take upon himself tho added duties and Inborn and responsibilities re-sponsibilities of tho now jwsttlon." It will bo seen thnt this regulation, essential fo maintain proper discipline and order In the church, does not affect any one but the lending lend-ing officials thereof. Following Is unother quotation quo-tation from .that document. "Wo ileclaro that In making thesa requirements require-ments of ourselves and our Drethren In tho ministry wo do not In thu least deslro to dictate to them concerning their duties ns Amerlcnn citizens, or to Interfere with 'tho affairs af-fairs of tho State. Neither do wu consider that In tho remotest degreo we are seeklntf the union of church and atuto " The 'whole tenor and spirit of the declaration declara-tion tend to maintain thu Individual liberty. Iotltlcnl and otherwise, of the members 6t tho church. There Is nothing In It encronuhlng upon their tights as American citizens or seeking seek-ing to control their ballots. They nru left perfectly per-fectly free to Join or not to Join uny political jcirty. Tho Times Interview und thu declaration declara-tion are In nowlsu antagonistic. It Is notlctnblo that In all the allusions to the declaration mado by Moses Thatcher, In his 'forced construction of Its language. In his Inferences and deductions us to Its meaning; ho refrains from quoting a sollturj" sentencu from that document, although It forms thu chief topic of his lengthy efforts. If ho found no vital a dlfforenco between former utterances of the presidency and tho principle advance.! In what ho terms tho ' manifesto," why did hu quote In detail from the .'former und omit to quote u llnu from thu latter. To use his own query, wns this "tho result of accident or design"? Moses Thatcher assumes that the declaration contains something that could bu applied to restrict the liberties of the people und argues thut because of that danger he cannot sustain It. Is anything necessary further ihun this to show thut hu Is nnd has been since April, 1SV0. entirely out of harmony with the authorities author-ities of the church? Here Is another quotation from his letter: "Thu spirit of the manifesto, as it appeared to me. was In violent uniagOnlHin to all I had believed and publicly proclaimed for many yenrs, nnd I could not. and so fur havo not bei-n uble to bring mysulf to a point wheru I bellevu 1 should yield my political Judgment 10 any set of men however praiseworthy their intentions." Dv-h hu not In that paragraph furnish the proof thnt ho haa been for many ycurs out of-hnrmony of-hnrmony with his brethren? . But does tho declaration require him or any ono else to "yield his political Judgment?" Tho rule to which hu objects bears no such signification. An officer of the church whose tlmo nnd talents tal-ents uro pledged primarily to tho church, has no right undt-r this rule to engage In anything, any-thing, political or otherwise. Which would tako 11 1 1 1 1 away from tho duties that claim his first nttf-ntlon. unless by permission of his associates asso-ciates and presiding officer. " This ilos not lnfrlngo upon his ixjlltlcal liberty or deprive him of his political Judgment. If lie prefers polltlcul honors to ecclesiastical duties, he can luy down tin; latter nnd freely take up the former. But he cannot at will Ignoiv, noglect nnd forsako h's church duties for uny purpose, pur-pose, and retain his official standing, jxiwnr and nuthorlly. That Is ro simple a proportion thut It would seem as though any puron of muturo ago ar.d sound mind omld grasp It without difficulty. Hut he contend: "The mnntfesto (applied as Its construction will allow, or as It would be interpreted by men whosu personal ambitious might control nnd subvert their sense ot light) could bu op-crated op-crated to the Injury of tho Stnte." Could not this be said of any declaration ot principles or eel of rules In church or state penned by tho hand ot man? Does Moses Thntchcr wish It to bo understood that he charges nny of tho Church authorises with imrsonnl ambition or desire to establish whnt he lenns "absolutism"? If not. what Is tho meaning of his comment, last quoted on thin subject? And yet ho nfterwards declurcs: "I deny tholr right or their Intention to In-tcrfero In-tcrfero with my politics." It he disclaims thnlr Intention to Interfere with his politics, why does ho take the pnlns to deny their right, nnd whvro Is tho danger to the Individual or to tho State which appears to him ro terrible? And he seems to be entirely en-tirely oblivious to the danger which would como to the church If Its leading officials could go off as they pleased, hither or thither, engage en-gage In bustnen.4 or politics, accopt public positions which would take them away months at a tlmo from their ecclesiastical duties, without with-out leave or llccnso from tho presiding church authorities. He Is fearful of somo dnnsrer to the Statu from tho operation o( tho rulo asserted as-serted In tha declaration, but hns no rognrd for tho ruin that nllght cnsu If that proper discipline declared to be essential to tho order of tho church should not be maintained. Nearly all of thg roranlnlng part of Moses Thatcher's letter Is devoted to a presentation of his claims as a canilldato for political office. of-fice. It Is entirely Irrelevant lo tho subject discussed In President Snow's letter, to which the Thatcher communication purports to bo a reply. Ho prefaces It with the following stato-mcnt: stato-mcnt: J "My whole Ufa nnd Ha work contradict tho charge that I could reck office on a platform nntngonlstlc to nny church. I should opposo any man who stood upon such a platform." To test the sincerity of this assortlon. It will bo necessary to quoto from tho definition of his position In tho Senatorial contost, published pub-lished In Tho Salt Lake Tribune ot Sunday morning, November 15, and which ho subsequently subse-quently ndmltted to a Herald reporter was substantially correct. Ho suld; "If I had not been placed In a position Involving In-volving a grout principle. I could not ho tempted to accopt even tho high office of United States Senator, but If Utah If Young Utah feels that my election would ix; a vindication vindi-cation of that for which 1 havo contended, nnd would aid In preventing Che forging of chains upon' thu people of this State, 1 should nccopt tho ofllco ot Senator should It bu tendered ten-dered 1110." Then speaking of tho declaration of principles princi-ples ho ndds: "I could not consent to the adoption of a rulo that would affect the political liberty of so muny people;, and give so groat power to tho church authorities." And further, ho says: "Bocauso of tho stand I then took I havo been placed In tho position ot defending the cnusp Imperiled by thn address I refusei to nlgn, and I havo boon asked to bellovo that my election to tho Senate nt this timo would bo of Incalculable benefit to that cause. If. as I havo said, young Utah believes that It would, I shall be tic Its commnnd, and shall bo willing to give such service to tho Stato In Congress ns I am capable of rendering." That forms tho entlro platfonn on which hn then presented himself ns a candidate for tho high offico of United States Senator, Is It not "a platform antagonistic to tho church" of which ho was and now claims to bo a member? mem-ber? Ho declared himself willing to accept a public position, for tho express purpoco of lighting a rulo of that church which Its general gen-eral and local authorities and tho body of tho church hail formally nnnouncrd nnd adopted as essential to Its order and discipline. On his own declaration, then. It will bo entirely proper prop-er for ovory jxrson In tho church who accepts tho declaration, to oppose Mosea Thatcher In his political candidacy, becauso he stands on that anil-church platform Observe, this Is the logical deduction from his own reasoning. It Is he who hntl Interjected Inter-jected this political question Into tho subject of his religious relations and standing. It Is ho who hns laid down tho rulo thai any man should bo opposed by tho church who seeks office of-fice on a platform antagonistic to Its rules. While ho pretends nx-erslon lo tho Idea ot seeking seek-ing ofllco nn such a platform, tho wholo tenor of his recent utterances given to tho press lends lo show that his nlm and object are, to renrh a high political position as the champion cham-pion of u cnuso which Is nothing If not hostllo to tho church. And this appearu to bo tho capstone ot tho somewhat Incongruous structure struc-ture which ho has ralsod: under cover of a purported reply to the plain and pointed explanations ex-planations given by President Snow of tho reasons rea-sons why action wns taken against him by tho council of thn twelvo apostles. In rofcrenco to his candidacy for tho Sena-torshto Sena-torshto ho exclaims: "I Invite neither tho mipport nor thu opposition opposi-tion of tho church It has no concern In political po-litical Issues." Thai iho opposition of tho church Is Incited If not "Invited" by his nttltudo of hostility to Its latest official declaration, cannot bo ru-llonully ru-llonully dlsputisl. Tho church has tho right to protect liself, and when a candidate for high public offico takes hln stand upon a pint-form pint-form of open nnUigonlsm lo Its discipline, ho virtually Invites the opposition which ho attempts at-tempts to evade. And Is It truo that "tho church has no concern con-cern In political Imuos?" Una not every church in the United Stntes somo concern In political Issues? In particular has not tho Church of Jesus Christ or Latter-day Saints doop concern In nil jwlllleal Issues that affect Iho peoplo of Utah? Tho great majority of them are members of that church, and their welfare depends largely upon political Issues. The Idea that the church must be stricken dumb when political Issues which have a direct di-rect bearing upon It arc rnised. Is a fallacy thnt would bo dangerous Indeed If It were not so absurd. As to Iho selection of porsons for public office, of-fice, the word of tho Lord by revelation Is given giv-en to tho church, und his peoplo aro directed by commandment to seek diligently for wiso inon and honest men. nnd nro cautioned that ihu choice of other than good men nnd wlau men "coineth of evil " Every official In tho church has a right to express his views on political Issues. Tho church Itself, as a body. Is Interested In thoso Issues that concern tho Stnte nnd tho Nation Us officers havo as much right ns other men to a preference for somu candidates over others for civil office. Thoy may exercise their Inllucnco as citizens to give that proferenco effect, providing they do not uso any Improper means to accomplish It. The opinions of men who helped to lay tho foundations of this Stnte. ought not to bo Ignored Ig-nored In political Issues becauso they hold leading positions In tho church, nnd as tho church Itself Is nlmost entirely composed ot peoplo who nru citizens. It Is not to bo shut out of a voice In public nffnlrs by the bald nssertlon that "It has. no concern In political Issues." Tho church must not domlnato tho Slate nor Interfere with Its functions; nor must the church bo robbed of Its rlcht to speak' on issues that vitally concern its own welfare. In conclusion Moses Thatcher ndmlls thnt he hns "no complaint agulnHt thu treatment accorded" him, but asks: ''Why nm I to bu driven out of the church because of tho manifesto?" That admission Is astonishing after the Ion? columns of complaints which precede It. That question la absurd In ' tho absence of any attempt at-tempt or . desire lo "drive him out of thu church." No man Is "driven." out of tho church It Is his own acts that are responsible responsi-ble for any mnn'M excommunication. Mwes Thatcher, by simply going from his hous In this city to tho historian's ofllco, a distance of two and a half block, to meet with 'the counc.tl of the apostles could have saved himself him-self all tho sorrow, grief and humiliation of which he so repeatedly complains, whllo clnlmlng thnt ho makes no complulnt. By ootP'oTlng with his brethren at a meeting meet-ing specially convened at his written request, ho could havo learned all he wished to know respecting their views nnd feelings concerning him, anil if ho so desired could have made reconciliation, or havo resigned peaceably tho lKfcltloii which he could not consistently rotaln whllo out of harmony with that body. But, after asking for thai meeting, when II had convened according to his desire he coolly Informed In-formed his brethren that "thoy need not convene." con-vene." When they .reconvened 11 week later, he again fulled to appear He hns Indeed no cause lo "complulnt of Ihe treatment accord-d" accord-d" to'hlm, nor hns he any reason to talk of an uliempt to "drive" him from tho church. This review of Moses Thutcher's case Is published with no do-Ire lo Injure him In ptr-s.011. ptr-s.011. standing or estate. It Is designed simply to guard members of the church, who may bu excited to undue sympathy by reason of pathetic pa-thetic appeals to their feelings, against "being led away by a false light, by sophistical argument, argu-ment, op by political blus Into, the swnmps of error which lead lo the depths of apostuey. wliereln are sorrow. Ignominy, darkness and despair. By clinging lo the 'iron rod" and keeping their eyes fixed upon tho guides whom God Almighty, through his xon. Jesus Christ, has set In the church to point the way to celestial glory, they will be led In the straight und narrow way which leadoth unto eternal lives, nvoldlng the by nnd forbidden paths Into which so many have strayed, and will thus guln an abundant entrance Into the eternal presence, and recelw the crown which awaits those who, having overcome all thing, shall Inherit all things. Utah Law on Polygamy. Mr." Taylor We want to make reference refer-ence later 011 to some extracts of testimony testi-mony printed In this Senute report In 1S32. but I will not do thnt now. 1 want to read Iho constitutional provision and Iho statutory stat-utory provision of Utah respecting the subject of polyKumy, nnI so on. The Constitution of L'tah, arllc;o 1, section A, Is as follows: "Sec. 4. Religious Liberty The lights of conscience shall never bu Infringed. Thu Stato iliall mnke no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting tho free exercl.u thereof; no religious test shall bo required a a qualification for any office of public truht or for nny vote, at any eh-ctlon; nor shall any person be lnconi)etont as a witness or Juror on account of religious belief or tho absence thereof. Thero shall be no union of church and state, nor shall nny church dominate the Stato or Inlcrferu with Its functions. No public pub-lic money or properly shall be appropriated for or appllud to any religious worship, exercise or Instruction, or for the support of nny i-c-clcilastlcnl establishment. No property qualification qual-ification shall bu required of any person to votu or hold office, except as provided In this Constitution " Article III. Is as follows: "ARTICLE 1II.-ORDINANCE. "Tho following ordlnnnco shall bfi Irrevocable Irrevoca-ble without tho consent of tho United Statos and tho peoplo of this Stato: "Religious Toleration. Polygamy Forbidden. First Perfect toleration of rcllgloun sentiment senti-ment Is guaranteed. No Inhabitant of this Stato shnll over be molested in person or property prop-erty on account of his or her mode of religious worship: but polygamous or plural marrlngus are forever prohibited." I read section 420S of tho Statutes of Utah: "MttfS. Polygamy Denned: Exceptions. Every person who has a hushnnd or wife living, who hereafter marries nnothcr. whether married or single, nnd nny man who hereafter simultaneously, simul-taneously, or on tho same day. marries moro than ono womun. Is guilty or polygnmy, nnd shall ha punished by a fine of not moro than five hundred dollars nnd by Imprisonment In tho State prison for c term of not more than fivo ycurs: but this section shall not extend to any person by reason of nny former marriages whoso husband or wife by such marrlngo shnll have been absent for nvo successive years, and Is not known to such person lo bo living, and Is believed by ouch person to bo dead, nor to any person by reason of any former marriage-W'hlch marriage-W'hlch shall have been dissolved by 11 valid decree de-cree of a competent court, nor to any person by reason of any former marriage which ' shnll havo been pronouricel void by a valid decree of a competent court, on tho ground of nullity of tho marrlngo. contract." Similar to Edmunds Act. Mr. Wortlilnijton. That Is the Edmunds act. Is It not? Mr. Tnylcr, Oh, no: this Is a otatute. Mr. Worthington. It Is tho samo lan-Kii.'iKe? lan-Kii.'iKe? Mr. Tayler. Yes: tho same language was adopted ,ln tho State statute. Mr. Worthlngton. Does the margin glvo tho date? Mr. Tayler. 1S02. It Is on pages 5 and G. Mr. Van Colt. It means It waa passed In 1832? Mr. Taylor. Yes. originally passed. This Is iho law of Utnh, however, today. "1209. Unlawful Cohabitation. If nny male person hcreufter cohabits with moro than ono woman, ho shall bo guilty of a misdemeanor, nnd on conviction thereof shnll be punished by a fine of not moro than threo hundred dollars, or by Imprisonment In tho county Jail for not moro than six months, or by both said punishments. punish-ments. In the discretion of thu court, , "1210. Adultery. Whoever commits adultery shall bo punished by Imprisonment In tho Stnte prison noi exceeding ihrce yearn; and when tho act Is committed between a murrled woman wo-man and a mun who Is unmarried, both parties to such net shnll bo deemed guilty of adultery; and when nuch act Is committed bctweon a married man und a woman who is unmarried, tho man shall bo doomed cullty of adulter)'-" Mr. Tnvler. That Is all, Mr. Chairman. Tho Chairman. Havo counsel on tho olhnr side nny questions? Mr. Worthlngton. Yes. Smith Resumes Testimony. Joseph F. Smith having previously affirmed af-firmed was examined and testified na follows: fol-lows: Mr. Worthlngton. Mr. Smith, at the beginning be-ginning of vour examination you stated thnt the members of tho first presidency and tho apostles aro all known as revo-lators, revo-lators, prophets nnd seers. Wo havo heard read hero today a passage Indicating Indicat-ing that there Is only ono rovelator. "What Is tho explanation of that apparent inconsistency? Mr Smith. Wo bellovo that all mon aro privileged to enjoy tho light of revelations for their own guidance in the discharge not only of their personal affairs, but also In the dl?chargo of their religious dut lea, but that only ono man at a tlmo holds tho authority to recelvo revelations for tho guldanco of tho wholo church. Mr Worthlngton. In this little book, for Instance, thnt had been Introduced hero called "Mormonlsm." by B. H. Roberts, Rob-erts, on page 59 occurs this language, and I will ask you whothor this correctly states tho doctrlno of tho church: "Tho first of tho threo presidents Is recognized as tho prosldont of tho church, its prophet, Its seor, Its rovelator, tho mouthpiece of God to tho people, Christ's vicegerent on earth; the ono nnd tho only ono authorized In tho government of tho church to recelvo tho revelations of God for the church, which revelations ccnstltute the law of tho church." Mr. Smith. That Is correcL Mr. "Worthlngton. Now. In tho book called ' Doctrine and Covenants" I find that the Inat revelation In that book, tho ono of latest date as well as tho ono last arranged In tho book, Is ono which Is headed thus- "Section 13C. The word and will of tho Lord given through President Brlgham Young at the winter quarters of tho camp of Israel, Omaha Nation, west bank of Missouri river, near Council Bluffs, January' Jan-uary' 1. 1Si7." I wish to ask whether after that dato there wcro any revelations coming through the ono authorized rovelator which aro not Included In the book, except ex-cept tho manifesto? Several Revelations Since. Mr. Smith Thero have been several revelations since tho date of that ono which aro not Included In. that book. Mr. Worthlngton. Then the manifesto? Senator Hoar. Mr, Worthlngton, beforo you pass from your flrt question, I did not quite understand Mr. Smith's explanation explana-tion of tho statement that he certainly enumerated officially. of revelators, prophetH and seers. Mr Worthlngton. IIo said that. every member of tho church received revelations, revela-tions, but only ono can communicate and authorize revelations to tho church for Its government Senator Hoar. Did you mean to say, then, that when the book says that all tho presidents arc revelators, prophets znd seers they were not In any way dls-tft dls-tft ct from any other member of tho church? Mr. Smith. Not In . relation to giving laws to the church. Senator Hoar. In what respect are these men revelators, prophets and seers, ether than tho llrst piesldent. In which other members of the communion aro not? Mr. Smith In tho discharge of their ecclesiastical duties, being standing ministers min-isters of tho church Senator Hoar "But nro they distinguished distin-guished from any other ecclesiastical officers? of-ficers? Where are they mentioned sis revelators, prophets and seers rather than anv other officials of tho church? Mr. Smith. Becauso they are the general gen-eral officials of the church. There are general officials and local officials. These are clnssed among the general ofllclals of the church. Senator Hoar. But they have, as I understand un-derstand you. no gift of revelation of prophecy or of sight which does not belong be-long to "all other Mormons In full communion'' com-munion'' Mr. Smith. I would say. Senator, that we hold that every good man, every Just man, every man living according to his highest Idea 'of correct life as a member of the church. Is entitled to revelations for his oersonal guidance und for his direction In his duties in the cnlllng of Iho church, whatever that calling may be. whether he is a lay member or nn of-ticlal of-ticlal member, and neither is this, wo think, confined, to the men or mules. We Itellovc that women ulso are entitled to Inspirations, as were women of old. mentioned men-tioned In the scriptures, provided they live worthy to recelvo the manifestations of the snliit to them. President Only Receives Law. Mr. Worthlngton. Then, do I understand under-stand that the fact Is that only tho president, presi-dent, the htsad of the church, is or over litis been authorized to recelvo revelations lor the church which constltuto tho law of the church? 1 Mr. Smith. That Is correct, sir. Mr. Worthlngton. You say there havo been a number of revolutions received v. hkh havo never been bound up with tho Doctrihe nnd Covenants? Mr. Smith. Yes, sir. Mr. Worthlngton. Have they been printed and distributed at nil? Mr. Smith. Yes; they were printed In brochure form that Is. In pamphlet form and of course aro kept In our book department de-partment of the Desetet News, for sale to anybody who wants them, Just the came as the book of Doctrine and Cou-p.unts, Cou-p.unts, or any other book Is held. Mr. Worthlngton Tho same as the manifesto? Mr. Smith. Tho same as the manifesto; yes. Mr. Worthlngton. What was tho last revelation that came to the church from the ono authorized to glvo It as tho law of the church? Mr. Smith. Well, according to my best recollection it must have been about 1SS2. The purport of the revelation was calling to tho npostolato or apostleshlp two men, who arc named In the. revelation. Mr. Worthlngton. Who was the president presi-dent through whom that revelation came?. Mr. Smith. President John Tayler. Mr. Worthlngton. You say that was tho last one? Mr, Smith. I do not now recall any slnco then except the manifesto. Mr. Worthlngton. Except tho manifesto? mani-festo? Mr Smith. Yes, except the manifesto. Mr. Worthlngton. Then do I understand you to say tho only revelation that has come to the church Ir. tho last twenty years Is the one that says polygamy shall stop? Mr. Smith. Since 1SS2? I Mr. Worthlngton. Yes, since 1&S2 twenty-one years. Mr. Smith. Yes. sir; I think It Is. Senntor Bailey. Mr. Worthlngton. If you would not object to an Interruption Just there Mr. Worthlngton. Certainly not, Senator. Sena-tor. Revelation or Manifesto. Mr. Bailey. I wouldilke to know why you call the others revelations and you call this last a manifesto? - Mr. Smith. It Js imercly a custom, I guess. It was so caUcd'ln" tho'flrat place, and we have become- habituated to It, Just ; as -wo have become habituated In calling tho Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Sulnts tho Mormon church. We have accepted, ac-cepted, the term, although It Is not the namo of tho church. Senator JJalley. It Indicates no differ' once, so far as tho binding authority upon tho conscience of members Is concerned? Mr. Smith. No, sir Mr Worthlngton. That . manifesto, It already appears here, was accepted, but 1 think it has been staled It was accepted twice. How did that happen? Mr. Smith. This manifesto, as it In called, or rcveHtlon through "Wllford Woodruff, wns llrst submitted to tho en-ilme en-ilme church In conference assembled. Mr. Worthlngton. I wish you would describe, for the benefit of these who do not know so much about, Juot what 13 meant by that conference. It Is a conference confer-ence of what? Who comes, or who Is authorized to come? Mr. Smith. It Is a confcrcnco at which all of the official members of tho church are exrected, ns far as It 3s possible- for them, to be present. It does not exclude any member of tho church, but It Is particularly par-ticularly expected that all ofllclal members, mem-bers, all persons holding tho priesthood, shall be present at that conference. It Is an official gathering of the church. Mr. Worthlngton. Yes; but of what geographical division, If any? Mr. Smith. None; It Includes the entire en-tire cnurch. Mr. Worthlngton. From all tho world? Mr, Smith. From all the world. Mr. "Worthlngton. As a matter of fact, how many people attend these conferences generally? Mr. Smith. Well, gcnorally anywhere from ton to fifteen thousand people. Mr. Smith Wore you present when the manifesto wns first presented and. accepted, ac-cepted, in October, 1S90? Mr. Smith. No, sir; I was not, Mr. Worthlngton. Do you know how many persons wcro present, about? Mr. Smith. I could not say from knowledge, but I am under tho Impression there wero from eight to ton thousand people. Mr. Worthlngton. You said, In rcsponso to a question from Senator Hoar, that Ycmon attend as well as men? Mr. Smith Oh, yes. Proportion Sexes at Conference Mr. Worthlngton. Could you' tell us about In what proportion women and men attend? Mr. Smith. I bellevo In about equal proportions. Mr. Worthlngton. ' Tlion, when tho manifesto was proposed, was It accepted by a majority or by unnnlmous voto? Mr. Smith. It wns accepted by a unanimous unani-mous voto of tho people. Mr. Worthlngton. Every hand was raised? Mr. Smith. Every hand was raised, so far as we have any power of knowing. Mr. Worthlngton. When was It again presented to tho conference, and why? Mr Smith Later a report was made by tho Utah commission, who wcro sent to Utah Mr. Worthlngton. By tho Government? Mr. Smith. By tho Government, that SoIygamouB marriages wero being con-ucted con-ucted In Utah by tho church, nnd as-eei as-eei ting that somo forty polygamous marriages mar-riages could be accounted for. It be-camo be-camo necessary to refute that statement, nnd a declaration was mado by the president presi-dent of the church denying tho chargo mado by tho commissioners and reasserting reassert-ing tho manifesto or revelation on suspension sus-pension of plural marriages, according to my recollection Mr. Worthlngton, How long after tho first acccptan?3 of tho manifesto was It that It was submitted the second tlmo and ngaln accepted by tho conference; do you remember? Mr. Smith. Not from memory; I could r.ot tell you. Mr. Worthlngton. How often are Iho conferences held regularly? Mr. Smith. Seml-annunlly.- on tho 6th of April and tho t)th of October. Mr. Worthlngton. Aro thero any special conferences? Mr. Smith. Thero nro what aro called quarterly conferences held In tho stakes. Manifesto Eliminated. Mr. Worthlngton. It appears hero that the Doctrine nnd Covennnts continue to be printed without tho manifesto. Why Is it that tho manifesto Is not printed and distributed with the other revelations contained In tho Doctrine and Covenants? Mr. Smith. So far as I know, it Is entirely en-tirely an oversight- For myself, L never thought of It. It never occurred to me; but, from tho circumstances existing at this time and what 1 have heard In relation rela-tion to tho matter. It appears to mo that It should be In tho Doctrine and Covenants, Cove-nants, and I shall certainly use my Influence Influ-ence to havo It put In the next edition that Is published. Mr worthlnglon, I will ask you whether this was presented and Is what Indicates tho action taken by the conference confer-ence when tho manifesto wus llrt submitted sub-mitted and approved or ratified; "President Lorenzo Snow offered tho following'. follow-ing'. " 'I movo that, recoKnlzlnir Wllford Wood-run" Wood-run" aa the president of the Church of Jesus Christ of Iittcr-day Saints, nnd tho only man on earth at thu present time who holds thu keys of tho sealing ordinances, wo consider con-sider him fully authorized by virtue of his position to issue the manifesto which has been road in our hearing and- which Is dated September 1S30. and that as a church In bnural conference nssombled. wo accept his declaration concernlnc plural marriages aa utilhorltatlvo and binding.' " Mr. Smith. Yes. sir. Mr. Worthlngton. You have said that among your standard books Is the Bible? Mr. Smith. Yes, sir. Mr. Worthlngton Anil tho Bible, as you havo said today, and as we all know, contains some passaged which do, , or which some people consider do, support the practice of polygamy'.' Mr. Smith. Yes. sir. Mr. Worthlnglon. In distributing the Bible, do you print nny note or appendix, or anything Indicating tliat those passages pass-ages are not, to be taken ns Indicating what is the proper practice today? Use Xing' James's Version of Bible. Mr. Smith. No, sir; we havo not Interfered Inter-fered at all with the King James version of the Bible, which we havo accepted as a standard work of the church. Mr. Worthlngton. In that respect have you made any distinction between tho doctrlno and covenants and the Bible? Mr. Smith No. sir; none whatever. Mr. Tayler. Do you claim there have been additional revelations that ought to be added to the Bible? Mr. Worthlngton. I claim thero are things In tho Bible for Instance, such a man as Solomon hnvlng had a number of wives Mr. Tayler. Has any revelation been mndo that l not In the Bible? Mr. Worthlngton, No; no revelation has beon made. Senntor Hoar. T do not think that discission dis-cission Is profitable. Cowley's Talks on Doctrine. Mr. Worthlngton. In reference lo theso olher books which .hnye been produced here, let me ask you. for Instance, about this, from which excerpts have Just been read, Crowley's Talks on Doctrine. That appears to have been published In Chat-tancocra Chat-tancocra In 19W. Mr. Smith. Yes, sir. Mr. Worthlngton. Havo you any knowledge whether that was or was not tiubmlttcd to the church or nny authorities authori-ties of tho church? Mr. Smith. It never was submitted to anybody In chargo In the church. Mr. Worthlngton. Were you awaro of its contents before It was referred to? Mr. Smith. No. sir: 1 never saw It Mr. Worthlngton. Tou also said to Mr. Tayler, In reference to the book which Is here, called Mormonlsm, Its Origin and History, by B. If. Roberts, that the book holds an exceptional position; or, rather, ho asked you the question whether It did or not. nnd you answered "yes; differing from that of all other books." What did you mean by that? Mr. Smith. I did not Intend to convey the Idea that It was any different from Talmago's Articles of Faith or any other standard exponent that Is, acceptcu exponentof ex-ponentof the principles and doctrines of tho church. It Is entirely on a par with Talmago's book and other books of a similar character. It Is not exceptional at all. Mr. Worthlngton. Then I will read you tho question and nnswer nnd ask you whether you wish to aay anything further fur-ther In regard to them. Tho question Is: 'Then this work Is to bo distinguished. Is it npt, as respects Its authority, from all; olher works that havo been written I by othor persons, unless they were such 11s wcro written by Inspiration or Vlb.r ' 5ft revelation?" A 1 i fit Your answer Is: "Ves, r,lr." V Zt Mr. Smith. Perhaps the answer was hn3ty. I think It was. I did not mean i VI to convoy that Idea, becauso Talmago's ' ? Articles of Faith, and thero aro many ! ' other books published In tho church or by ' members of Iho ohurch. which nro enu-tl ' ns works of the church with that. Thero Is no difference aa lo their authority or jfirii authenticity. ' , Mt Talmago's Book. Mr. Worthlngton. In the book to which you refer as Doctor Talmago's book ontll tied "Tho Articles of Faith." and 'which fS you have already testified wns supervised w in It3 preparation by a corrimlttco sm ff1 pointed by the first presidency , Mr. Smith. Yes, sir; that Is correct iw Mr. Worthlngton. I find In the bcgtfl ' '' nlng of tho hook a pago containing "Tho 1W-T articles of faith of the Church of Jeana i W. Christ of Latter-day Saints." Aro thooZ IflL articles the authorized articles of faith fif. of tho church? 111 f Mr. Smith. Those sentiments cxprcspcL Jut and termed tho articles of our faith, wcro ffitf the enunciation of Joseph Smith and nro i A I ncccpted by tho church ns tho fundn-1 , W menial principles of our faith; and tho : lectures, If you please, contained In that iU work are based upon thoso fundamental lit? principles. i fri Mr. Worthlngton. I will nsk tho re- If"'1 porter to copy Into the record all of that pngo containing the- articled of faith. Tho articles of faith roforred to nro an 'ff follows: ffg "THH ARTICLES OF FAITH OF THE , CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LAT- 1? TER-DAY SAINTS. ' "1. Wo bcllovr In God, the Eternal Father. nnd In his son, Jesus Christ, and In tho Holy w Ghost. '.& "2. Wo bellevo thnt men will be punlshf I for their own slus, and not for Adam's trans- T rofulon. Ct "3. Wo hollove thnt throuch tho atonement JP of Christ, all mankind may bo saved, by obo-dlcnco obo-dlcnco to tho laws and ordinances of tho kos- (4 Pel. , & "4. Wo bellevo that tho Hrst principles nnd fi ordlnnnceo of the cospcl arc: (1) Faith In tho m Lord Je.us Christ; (2) Repentance; O) Baptlim f! by lmmorslon for tho rcmlwlon of sins, (i) ' Laying on of Hands for tho Gift of tho Holy Ghoot. I 1u "3. Wo believe that a man must bo called IW of Cod. by prophecy, and by tho laylnc on of fp1' hands, by thoao who nro In authority, to prenoi fv' tho cospcl and administer In tho ordinance T.ft thereof. M "6, Wo bellevo In the snnio organization y F that existed In tho primitive church, viz.: 1 pij apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, ovanftol- j: ists. otc. J S "7. Wc bellevo In tho gift of tongues, proph- T, ecy, rcvolatlon, visions, hcallnc. Interprets.-1 tlon of tongue, etc, ,f: "S. Wo bellevo tho Biblo to be tho word of V God. no far as It Is translated correctly, ws iji IV also, bellevo tho Book of Mormon to bo th y 1 word of God. ' 1 -ft "0. We bellovo all that God hns rovcaUd. J,, all that ho doeo now rcvoal. and wo txiivo f t that ho will yet reveal many great amy )hi- r. 4 portant thlnira pertaining to tho kingdom of 1 A' 4 God. I "10 Wo bellevo In the literal gathering of I Israel nnd In the restoration of tho ten tribes; f that 7,lon will be built upon this, (tho Amerl- ' con) continent', that Christ will reign person- 1, ally upon iho earth: and, that tho earth ttIUI I bo renewed nnd recelvo Its paradisaical irlory. "11 Wo clulm tho prlvllego of worshiping T- Almighty God according to tho dictates ot our rfc own conscience, and allow all men tho sam V 1 privilege, let them worehlp how, where, or' 1; whnt they mny. i "12. Wo bellevo In being subject to klnfft?, presidents, rulers nnd mHglBtrntes. In oboylny, M honoring, nnd sustaining the law I v "13. We bellovo In being honoat, tru, j K chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and In doing good : ' r to all men; Indeed, wo mny say that wo fol- . low tho admonition of Paid. Wo bcllove all -( thing?, wo hopo all things, wo havo endured 1 many things, aud hopo to bo ablo to enduro It nil things If thero Is anything virtuous, lovo- ' - n ly. or ot good report or praiseworthy, wo seek J nttor theo things " (Joeoph Smith.) Mr Worthlngton. I find that the twelfth y Is this: 'c "Wo believe In being subject to kings, prsi- i Idonts. rulers nnd maghitratei'. In obeying, ' r honoring and sustaining tho law." , 41 Is that and has that always bcon a car- i . J dlnal and fundamental principle of tho ', J church? . : ', g Mr. Smith. It Is and always has been ,: a cardinal doctrine of the church. Mr. Worthlngton. I read from page IX,i,j ; of this book; and I will ask that the whole ! fc of th? chapter from which I am now read- ' lng shall be Inserted. It Is tho chapter ; which contains tho commentary on that' J j 11 artlclo of faith, and explains what Is ' meant by being subject to rulers andi f honoring the law; but I will read only l ' section 23: , r "An illustration of such suspension of dl-r f vino law is found In tho action of the church ' : regarding tho matlur of plural or polygamous marriage Tho practice referred lo was es-1 ; tablbhcd as a result of direct rovolatlon, and ' 2 many of those who followed tho snmo felt ; i that they wero divinely commanded so to do For ten year.i after polygamy had been Intro-' duced In Utah oa n church observance, no law w was enacted In opposition to tho practice B-, i ginning with 1SC2. howovor. Federal Malutv I: wcro frnmed declaring tho practice unlawful Ji and providing penalties therefor T 'Thu church claimed that thev enactments 1 t wenj unconstitutional, and tliereforo void, In- j nsmuch an they violated the pixn Islon in tho j national' Constitution which denies the Got- ' ernment tho power to make laws reipecllns ! any establishment of religion, or prohlblttnc 1 the freo cxerclau thereof. Many appeals wero i taken to tho national court of tlnal ressrt , and at last a decision was rendered pustaln- i, Inf the nntl-polygamy law a constitutional j ; rnd therefore binding. Tho church through ; Its chief officer, thereupon discontinued the ' practice of plural marriage, nnd announced Its t action to the world; solemnly placing the re- j uDonslblllty for tho change upon the Nation J f by whose laws tho renunciation had been ; forced. This action ban been approved, aA , ' confirmed by the official vote of tho chUrclTJU . ' conference assembled." Tho chapter referred to by Mr. Worthlngloju . 5 Is ax follows: LECTURE XXIII. SUBMISSION' TO SECULAR SECU-LAR AUTHORITY. , ' Article 12. Wo believe in being RUbJcct to 1 klngH. ipreHidenljf, rulers, ami magistrates, In iTt obeylngihonorlnc, and fustnlnlng iho law tiTj 1. introductory. It Is but rcnsonablo to ex- KtL pect of a people profeaalns the gospel of Chrlft, jJC nnd clnlmlng membership In the ono accepte.l V and divinely authorized chuirh. that they manifest In practice the Irtuen which their . precepts Inculcate. True, wu mai look In vain i for perfection, among thono oicn who mak the fullest and most Juslltlablo claims to or- m thodoxy; but we have a right to expect In ihelr , creed, nmplo requirements concerning tho rn"jt , npproved course of action: und In Ihetr l'Vr. sincere and earnest effort toward tho practical realization of their professions Religion, to be of service and at all worthy of acccptanrs, must be of wholesome Influence In tho Individual Individ-ual llvuo- and tho temporal utTalrs of Its aI-herenlH. aI-herenlH. Among olher virtues, tho church in Its teaching ehould lmpreiw tho duty of a ( law-abiding course: und the people should show forth the efftct of such precepts In their excellence 11s cltlzonx of tho Nation, and a-t individuals In the community of which thty nro part. . . t 2. Thu Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-da , Saints niukex emphatic declaration of lla M- lief and precepts regarding the duty or iw members toward the laws of the land, arm , susUilns Ita position by tho authority of sp'cino w revelation In ancient ns In present time-. f Moreover, thu people ure confident, that wncn j thu tru fstory o their rlne and prr-gres as an 3 established body of religious worshipers ' . , wrltlon, the loyalty of the church and the pa- trlotlc devotion of its members will tn- m" , g cuted nnd extolled by the world In general, aj U , now nru thee virtues rccorntzed by th lew j, unprejudiced Investigator who hac stuaii ? with honeat purine the history of inn ro- . ( lnnrkable organization. crin- ; 3. Obedience to Authority Enjoined by Scrip- luro.-Durlng the patriarchal period, when tno . fc hcud of tho fumlly postwed virtually tho i power of Judge and king over his household. , tho authority of the ruler und tho rights 01 , fc the family were respected. Consider th" m- , - fc stance of Ilugnr. the "plural" wife of Abrain. and iho handmaid of Sarnl. Jealousy and m , j fe eling had arisen between Ha gar n 'jr C ( mistress, tbu senior wife of the Pajf' if Abram listened to tho complaint of .Sural. anJ. , , . recognizing her authority over Ifugar n though his wife, wiiH still h wvant of Parai 4 Kald:-"Behold thy maid Is in th hunl A ? to her ns It plcaseth thee." Th-n as th 4 mlstrew dealt harshly with her erani. ia y gar fled into ihe wilderness; there h V( 1 ' C Ited by un ungol of the Lord, who , her thus:-"Hogar. Snral's mold. "IJ, est thou, nnd whither wilt thou go' AnJ ,t said, I fleo from tho face of my mlstrcM w ral. And tho ongel of the Lord said unto her Koturn to thy mistress and ubnilt lnJfl' der her hands." Obwrvo ht the hea"JJ i , mesonger recognized the authorltj ' "llf, j trees over the bondwoman, even though trit t hitter ha-1 been given tho rank of wifehood in j, 4 The ready submission of Iine to tno vrn of his father, evfn to tho extent of r.ffcr npn i; X life on the allar of bloody sacrifice Ist'" 1 f dence of tho snnotlty with which tho autfjorl; S ty of tho family ruler was regarded. It W t at appear, ns Indeed It has been claimed, that 1 tho requirement which tho Lord mado of 1 Abraham os a test of faith. In tho matter of 4 giving his son's llf as a sacrifice, was a 10- . latlon of existing lawj, and theref.ro opposes Ay W?Teovcrn7ncnt TIio claim Is poorly Sill; !tat K . oC iho fact, that the patrlar-alMi1 patrlar-alMi1 i rns possessed of absolute Authority WS & f ,nniN?rH of his household, the power HB fr cv"n to judgment of. llfo or .lenth. ,he days of tho cxodtin. when lurnel iiVJ ly 11 theocracy, the Lord rravo i f1 i,tfa nwl cnnuniindmenta for tho kov- J1 i n! his chosen pcoplo; nmons tlicm !!M ps'i, Thou ha!t not rovilo thn godn, nor !; ruler of thy people." Judges were l! ili Jr divine direction to exerclio au-&i au-&i rtn-onRnt Israel. Slopes. In reiterating 1U 5(!?' commands, charged tho pcoplo to SI f "Judces and officers shall thou H In nM thy gates, which tho Lord iSBlii elvcth theo. throughout thy tribes; J.BjJ ,,y lwll J"0 lh pcoplo with Jum Kf5S?h!' the pcoplo wearied ot God'n direct Nlft 'Li clamored for u klnc, tho Lord Vm&Pl'ic T ihelr desire, and gave tho new ruler iWir te a holy nnolntlnc David, oven VWfh - had lfn anointed to succeed Saul flEj throne, recognized tho sanctity of tho fiBirJon. and bitterly reproached himself. sSH : nn ono occasion ho hiul niutllatiHl thn 7 So monarch True, Saul was at that SB iLvinc Pavld's life, and tho latter ooui.-ht aSMPt nifans of showing that ho had.no Intent his roval enemy, yet wo nro told: -That Vi'yw h-virt smoto him. becau ho had cut 'tTj Ipr.i '' .lrt nd lio said unto hla mon, forbid that I idiould do this thine ffii mr master tho Lord's anointed, to y fnrth mine hand ncnlnst him. seeing 'b lhi anointed of tho Ixrd." ri s,JvV! further, tho following ncrlptural a i. -ii,r or recorded In tho Old Testament . r I & fear thou thn Lord, and tho king." Jai , i,ael thec ti Veep tho kinc's command-fi command-fi 1 VTnJ that In regard of tho oath Of Clo.l." 9 Ucot tho klnc. no not Ire thy thought." ?ranipl3 Bo: by Christ and 'Ilia Apos-ffl Apos-ffl : cvIor'H work on earth was marked "Hj ipKhftBt'bv his ncknowledRinont of tho nx- ' &7r rtffrni ot tho land, oven thouKh tho Ml wJiv had been won by cruol conquest, V? 1rlL, xrclMd unjustly, When tho tax-called tax-called for tho dues deinnndod by an W ttinc. Christ, whllo prlvatoly protcptlnf: 4 ihn Injustleo of tho claim, dlrcctod flirt to and ,von nvokcrt a rniracu- H . r!rtunntBnco whereby tho money could 5 J'.ijv.ieJ Of Peter ho asked : "What l iS-i'it tfccu, Simon of whom do tho klngj 8? 'ft;i tt-th laKo custom or tribute? of their B i! cMUrcn. or of stranscrw? Peter snlth C4 "Jr.vjtp, Of stranccrs. Jesuji-snlih unto him. 14, iri, the children fivo. Notwithstanding. 1 ii'ra should orfond them, co thou to tho (tl anl cat nn hook, anil take up tho fish A S". flrjt comotb up; and when thou hast ; '"..j yd mouth, thou nhall nnd a piece of 3i (j-; tbst take, and rIvo unto them for mo I At tb InstlK.allon of certain wlckel -ttrfW. a treacherous plot was laid to make h Jj.' oppear as nn offender against the rul-hi rul-hi MM-sfrc. They sought to catch him by tho Sarlllal question. "What thlnkcst thou? 3 S If -Uwful to glvo trlbuto unto Caerar or m "tr" HU answer was nn unequivocal Indorse-5 Indorse-5 re cf Dbn3lalon to tho laws. To his ques-T ques-T as h repllwl "Show mo the trlbuto M z&T- And they brouKht unto him a penny. Kl ul U fth unto them. Whoso Is this Image ySc' iaprscilptlon? They eay unto him. IQear'f. Then salth ho unto them. Render SI tar&f ur,t0 c"ft(,snr lhc thlnKs which aro M ctutiw, nnd unto God tho thlnpa that are w cri note 1 "I K 'A"0U5hout tho solemnly trnclc clrcum-(J clrcum-(J lUiitJ of his trial and condemnation. Chrl3t U JsItuJrtd a submissive demeanor even to-51 to-51 xtri tl chief priests nnd council who wero ; tialAi tl death. Theso officers, however Hj ortrthj" ot their priestly power, wero ncv- citif1 la authority, nnd had a certain fBI silRrt ef Jurisdiction In secular as In eccle--7.j tuilciJ affaire. When ho stood lxfore Cnla-H) Cnla-H) jtu, lidtn with Insult nnd nccuscd by falso i il2!J, ho malntnlned a dlcnllliMl silence. J . tt hlsh priest s question' Answcretlf S! 4X rathlnc? What Is It theeo witness mhrt thtc?" ho deigned no reply. Then tho M prkit added 'I adjure thco hy thn llv-ll llv-ll it fsi that you tell us whether thou be the fl!t, the f-on of God." To" this solemn ad-"AT ad-"AT ''jrtilM, .'poken with official authority, the Srrier Etve an Immediate answer: thus rocoK-f rocoK-f Hit ia office of tho hlch priest, however J nRrtir tho man. V.l 11 A. tlmliar respect for tho high priest's nj t ins shown by Paul while a prisoner lxs- itt It? tribunal Hla romarka dlspk-niKl the 41 1' '1! rrftst, who gave Immedlato command to toi who stood near Paul to snitto him on !1 ie nith. ThlB angered the apostle. anl he "A cW tat 'God shall smlto thec. thou whlted V nH; for slttest thou to Judco me after tho t i, S&l commandest mo to be smitten con-1 con-1 ' ti-T la tho law? And thoy that stood by ell. Revllesk thou God's high priest? Then 5 bH Paul, I wist not. brethren, that he was if 6( Mca priest, for It Is written. Thou shall I at rjMk evil of tho ruler of thy people." ; li Tcichlnps of tho Apostles. Paul, writing g Dlt'.w, 7ho had In-en left In chnrgo"of tho &'dyth amonc the Cretans, warns him of tho n mirtu of his llock. nnd urges hlrh to tench , tica to be orderly and law-nbldlns: "Put Jj i tWn la mind to be subject to principalities g , ul pTjerf, to obey magistrates, to be ready j; 'torrcrr KOOi work" In another plnco, Paul .'hKraatic In declaring the duty of the Saints j i Iprird tbe civil power, auch authority being ? of OoJ Ho points out tho necessity 3 h'Kcrlir covemmnt. and tho need of offl- i tn In authority whose power will be feared J-j lj wIMoore only Ho designates the civil au- i'JwltlM as ministers of God; and Justifies 1 tmtioa by the stato with an ndmonltlon Sl tt Saints fall not In their dues. A ' ' .U. Ttt3e ore his words addressed to tho 4 j (Jith at Rome "Let every" soul bo subject b' ' WlJ tio higher powora. For there Is no power s i h: si God tho powers that bo nre ordained a CoJ, Whusocvcr therefore rosletuth tho W rtslsteth tho ordlnanco ot God: nnd a : atj- that resltt Bhall receive to thumselves M , ..tisMllcn Kor rulers aro not a terror to t&i orks. but to tho evil. Wilt thou then M .KtU afraid Of the power, do that which la ' , rL a&l thou shalt havo praise of the satnu; h : fch U the minister of God to thec for good. .Jtt lf thou do that -which Is evil, bo afraid: X Erlelcarcth not the sword In vain: for ho H relnlrter of God, a revenger to executo jj , trua npoa him that docth ovll. Wherefore it n end cetds be subject, not only for -wrath. ! ..J1 llw t0T consclenco sake. For. for this a! ! Gt;t pay ye tribute alo: for they nro God's 6 t 5'-,Jr. attending continually upon this very U ; 0!tt Iltndtr thtrcforo to all their dues; trlb-ta trlb-ta ira Is nhom trlbuto Is due, custom to whom if,:;:T ftar to whom fear, honor to -whom A 'iSvIa a ,tlcr 10 Timothy. Paul teaches that i jto ttraycre of tho Safnt?. kings and nil In IV -wuirS7 rhould bo remembered, adding that Hi i.Jrj' rmcmbrance Is pleasing In tho Bight of ' l exhort therefore. thaL llrat. of all. a Z-p-l1- prayers. Intercessions, nnd glv-fj glv-fj jihajilf, be mnde for all men; for kln.gs. D i'w a" tbal arc ln authority; that -wo may 5! ?5'cltt nn(1 Ptacablo life In nil godliness hi lT3.Dttt' For this is good and accoptablo 21 .,,bc ''rht of God our Savior." I . J duty of willing submlyjilon to au-Z au-Z Sfi 17 elaborated In tho epistles to tho j' igAtrlinj and tho Colosslans: nnd lllustra-2. lllustra-2. ' 2r aPPllcJ to tho relations of social and S'J ti0 thftlr husbands. "For tho husband la P ff!.tt'1 of lho wlte. even as Christ Is the 'l fT ii0f.tllc church;" but this duty within the 5i ' Sf i ' rt-cIprocal. and therefore husbanda . SL.ertru:111 08 to tho manner In which au-21' au-21' oyKht to bo exorcised. Children aro Ul i r Ult'r Parcnta; 'ct tho parents aro J. 2r-"'Etd ajalnst provoking or otherwlso of- 1 S.6 tho,r ,,u,- onM- Scr-ants arc told to u ! 3,ff 1I1Ide and earnest scrvSco to their ' JKltrf,t rvcocnlzlng In all things the nupo-fc nupo-fc '2'lr""J! an,i uiaalers aro Instructed In I . 7. outj" toward their servants, bolng coun-jil coun-jil SJJ0 aban-lon threatening und other harwh ttat. remembering thnt they nlso will I ' . r answer to a Mnstcr Greater thau J alTts. I ' ir 'et?r 18 rujt lo-'w emphatic In teaching J .'uxtlty with which tho civil Kwcr BhouM iSJW'lta (see noto 2), he admonlshwi tho f'Bi-i" ,tl lnls wise "Submit younwlves to ' i.Vv cr4Jnaco of man for tho Lord's sako; tMWr 11 10 lhc king, na siipremo; or unto rrTa;ii unto thcm that aj0 ucnl ,(J. nlm jw ji, punishment of ovll docrSc nnd for tho .. Siif,ci thent that do '.veil. For so la lho bJu 0o'J' thllt wlt)l wo" uolnc yo may put afl , tnc Ismornnco of foolish men. as M tuv nlyl using your liberty for a cloak of TmT i R. .nei' bul as tho sen-ants of God Wi, ' eST''ttil mCn- ovo tho brotherhood. Fear M ! j r the king" -rfS;,""0 cenoral rules, relating to submls-M submls-M Sr aDtllorIty, hn applies, ns did Paul, slm-S slm-S u: w lhe conditions ot domestlo llfo. Scr-"D Scr-"D taSLy to he obedient, even though their i0 ttuv L harsh and severe "For this Is J.'t ST .ortD"' If a man for consclanco toward Ti, I'Sit,111'0 Crlof, aufferlng wrongfully. For i.f' 18 ,l- f. w''Cii ye ho buffctod for ' !iM'i.u"' J'e mV-' lt Patiently? but If. when Si ' uih? 'n nnJ aurtcr for It. yo tako It pa-'W, pa-'W, 'iS ' h,D ' "cccptable with Gc-J." WMves ! fViCw lhouBh their huubands be not ot JL ttH . f.L" aro not to vaunt themselves and 2 -rt? r'thorty. but to bo aubmlHblvc. and to 3L aaj.J11 Rentier and moro c-rfecllvo means ot 7 . t. . r ln'30 whoM name they bear. Ho 'tt ttoi.vIsat?nct' ot tho Judgment which shall 'wi fe ri.ev" Jocrs, nnd Bpeclflon ns fit subjects j Sm-Te?natlon "chlolly them that walk "j itwrJ,!116 neh In tho lust of uncloanness. and M dliiriii 0r"imcnt. Prcsumptuoua aro they. M CwiStit' f. y aro 1,01 nr,ald t0 speak ovll 'il 'teuW3btl7,, thcro existed oxcellent reason 'H it nJtluxDllcl1 nntl repeated counsels ngaln6t 'Ji. 1 frf 6iS of. r0VIlt. with which the apostles 5 .Kht to leai1 nn'1 strengthen tho ffi kr n .w0 s"lnta rejoiced In their tnstl-j tnstl-j ttrir l-1"0 trulh that had found place In 2l 'fhk-rfi'ho truth that -was to mako them JSi itaea 11 'nould huvo been but natural for 'HIvi . 'Z11"1 a11 others as Inferior to them-l8iE them-l8iE Itan V, , ,0 r;bol ngalnst nil authority of '-fti hwpJ:5VOr of tholr allegiance to a hlcher '! MI i 1 1 r. constant danger that tholr iSil'.'M th,Tr '? 'end thcm to acts of Indiscretion, -''Ucli.. rnI'1" excuse. If not renj-on. for the ,iH'tsWieM if Wnw-utors, who would havn de-ll de-ll tdltvS im law-brcukcrs und workers ot 'Jaw-I'D tin.. cn half-hearted submission to lho PttiV h wti . . ,W0UI1 havo been unwlj nt least, j "w of tho disfavor with which tho now comn 10 1,0 tcgnrdcd by their -pagan w,l mpornrl,0M T1n volc ot therr Inspired lenders w.is lieard. theroforo. n timely counsel ihL gmlllty and ""bmlwilon. But there were In.Vl' ovr hAYc l,,cro hccn' wolchtlor rea-tii. rea-tii. nn NVch n" rcet on motives or policy, requiring submlsaloii to tho cstnbllrhed iwW-Sch iwW-Sch 18 no ,CM ,h0 lsiw ot God than of man GovernmenLs nro ecnllnl to human ex-tMnco; ex-tMnco; they nro recognized, given Indeed, of l ie Lord; and hla ioplo are In duty bodnd to sustain them. n,19" iJ?oclc.? Mormon teachings concerning ino duty ot tho neop'o ns mibjects of the law or tno land nco nbtindnnt throughout the volume vol-ume iiowovor. as tho civil nnd tho ccel-R ccel-R nst cat powers were usually vested togethor. tlip klnr or chler Judgo being also, tho high priest, thoro are comparatively few r.dmonl-.u?i1 r.dmonl-.u?i1 or,'l"cgliince to the civil authority as distinct .from that ot tho priesthood. From the of, chl. son of l.ehl. 16 that of tho ucatn of Moslah-a fwrlod of nearly llv hun-irett hun-irett year.i. the Ncphlles were ruled by a succession suc-cession of kings; during tho remaining time or their recorded history, mora than live hun r i y1'n,, the pcoplo wero subject to Judges or their own choosing. I'nder oach of tlioso vnrictlca of novernmcnt, tho culnr laws wro rigidly enforced, the power of tho state being supplemented and strongthoncd bv that of tho church. The sanctity with which tho laws were regarded Is Illustrated In lho Judgment pronounced by Alnui uikui N'chor, a munleror, and an advocate of sedition aiulDrlcstcrurt: Jhou art condemn.d to die." snld the Judgj. acconllng to tho Inw which has lx-cn given us by Mosltih. our Inst king: and thoy have bet-n Acknowledged bv this pejple; therefore, this people roust abide by the law. c 20. Modern revelation requires of the Faints n lho present dispensation a strict alleglnnce to tno civil laws. In a communication dated August 1. 1S31, the Lord said to the church Let no man break tho laws of tho larul, for ho that keepcth the lavs 0f Gol hath no need to break tho laws or tho land: Wherefore, be subject to the powers that bo, until he relgrti whose right It I to reign, and subdue all enemies under his reel." At a, later date. August 0. the voico of the Lord wa neard ngnln on this matter, raving: "Am' now. verily I. any unto you concerning the laws L 1 If lani1 u lK r will that niy peop should observe to do nil things whatsoever I command them; nnd thai law of the. land which is constitutional, hupportlng that principle prin-ciple or freedom In maintaining rights and P.rJ v',Re',bPlnRS xo. all mankind, nnd Is Jus-t Jus-t nablo before mo: Thoreroro I, tho Lord. Jus-ury Jus-ury you, and your brethren of my church. In borrlendlng that law which la th6 constitutional constitu-tional law or the land." question hns many times been asked of the church nnd of Its Individual members, to thin effect: In the case of a conflict between be-tween the requirements mado by tho revealed word of God. und thoso Imposed by the secu-lar secu-lar law, which or these authorities would the members or tho church bo bound to obey? In answer, the words or Christ may be applied: It In the duty of tho people to render unto Caer-nr tho thlnfts that nro Caesar's! ftnU unto God the things that nro God's. At tho present time the kingdom of heaven a-s an earthly power, with a reigning king oxerclslnc direct nnd porsonnl nuthorlty in tem'wrnl matlcra, has not been established upon the earth; the branches or tho church ns such, and tho mem-benicomposlng mem-benicomposlng the mime, nre subjects or tho several govornments within whose separate realms tho church organization.-! exist. In Hils day or comparntlvo enlightenment ahd freedom, free-dom, thoro Is small causo for expecting any direct Interference with the rights of private worship and Individual devotion: in all civilized civi-lized nations tu- people ore accorded the right to prny, nnd this right Is assured by what may bo properly called a common law "of humankind. hu-mankind. No earnest soul Is cut off from-communlcatlon from-communlcatlon with his God, nnd with such on open channel of communication,, relief from burdensomo laws and rdrps for grievances may Iw sought from the power that holds control con-trol of tho nations. 22. Pending tho .overruling hy Providence In favor of religious llborty. It Is the duty of the Saints to submit thenisQlv.es ta. the laws ot their country. Nevertheless, they should uso overy proper method, as citizens or subjects of their sovornl governments, to sfcuro Tor themselves and for nil men lho boon of freedom free-dom In religious duties. It In not required of them to sufTor without protest lmiosllton by lawless persecutors, or through tho operation of unjust laws, but their protests should bo offered In legal and proper order. Tho Saints havo practically demonstrated their nccept-nrco nccept-nrco of the doctrine that It Is bolter to suffer evil than to do wrong by purely human opposition oppo-sition to unjust authority. And If by thus submitting themselves to the laws or the land In tho event or such Inws being unjust nnd subversive or human freedom, tho Saints bo prevented from doing tho work appointed them of God, thy aro not to be hold accountable for the failure to act under the higher law. The word of the Lord has been clven implicitly im-plicitly dcllnlng tho. ioslllon nnd duty of tho people In such a contingency : "Verily, verily, I wiy unto you. thai when I give a commandment command-ment to any of the sons or men, to do a work unto my name, nnd those sons of men go with all their might, and with nil they have, to perform that work, and cease not their diligence, dili-gence, nnd their enemlon como ujon them, and hinder thorn from performing thai work; behold. be-hold. It behoovcth mo to require that work no more At the hands of those sons of men. but to accept-of their offerings;' 'arid tho' Iniquity In-iquity and transgression of my holy laws nnd commandments, I will visit upon tho heads of thoso who hindered my work, unto tho third and fourth generation, so long as thny repont not nnd halo mc. salth the 1-oril God." (See noto 3.) , 23. An Illustration of such suspension ot dl-vlno dl-vlno law 1m found In the action of tho church regarding tho matter of plural or polygamous mnrrlacc. The prnctlco referred to was established es-tablished ns a result of direct revelation, and many of thoso who followed tho oame felt that they were divinely commanded so to do. For ten years after polygamy had been Introduced Intro-duced Into Utah, as a church observance, no law wiib enacted In opposition to lho practice. Beginning with 1SG2, however. Federal statutes were framed declaring tho practice unlawful and providing pennltles therefor. Tho church claimed that the enactments were unconstitutional, uncon-stitutional, and therefore void. Inasmuch as they -violated tho provision In the national constitution which denies the. Government power to mako lnws respi-ctlng any establishment establish-ment of religion or prohibiting the free, exercise exer-cise thereof. Many appeals were taken to tho national court of ilnal resort, and at lost n decision was rendorod sustaining the ontl-polvgnmr ontl-polvgnmr law as constitutional and therefore binding." The church, through Its chief officer, offi-cer, thereupon dlpconllnucd the practice ol plural marriage, and announced lis notion to tho world: solemnly placing the responsibility for the change upon lhe Nation by whoso lawf the renunciation had been forced. This action has bcn approved and confirmed by tho official of-ficial vote of' the church In conference assembled assem-bled i Sen noto -I ) 21. Teachings of. tho Church Today. Per-h-ips there can be presented no moro propel summary of tho teachings or the Church bl Jesus Christ or Lnttor-day Saints regardlns lt relation to civil iKwcr. and tho respflcl duo to lho laws of tho innd, than mo ornciai declaration of belief which was Issuod by tho I'rophoC Joseph Smith, and which has been Incorporated In lho Doctrine and Covenants, one of tho standard works of tho church, adopted by vote of tho church ns one of tho accepted guides In faith, doctrine, and practice. prac-tice. It reads ns follows: "OF GOVERNMENTS AND LAWS IN GENERAL. GEN-ERAL. "1. Wo rullovo thnt governments wero Instituted In-stituted of God for tho benefit of mnn, and that ho hold mon accounLablo for their acts In relation to them, either In mnklng laws or administering them, for tho good and safety safe-ty of focloty. "2. Wo bellovo, that no government can exist In poace. except such Inwo nro framed and held lnvlolalo as will socuro to nnch Individual In-dividual tho freo '-xercleo of conscience, tho right and control of property, and tho protection protec-tion of llfo. "3 Wo bellovo thnt all governments nccen-carllV nccen-carllV require civil officers and magistrates to enforce tho laws of tho same, and thai such nH will administer lho law In equity nnd Jus-tlc Jus-tlc should ho sought for and upheld by the voico of tho pooplo (it a republic), or tho will ..I'-VVfcoHo'vo that religion Is Instituted ot God.' and that men nro umcnablo to him. and to him only, for tho exercise of 11. unless their religious opinions prompt thcm to ln-frlngo ln-frlngo upon the rights and liberties of o Herd; but wo do not bellovo that human law hns a right to inlcifero In prescribing rules of wor-Lhin wor-Lhin to bind the consciences of men. nor dlc-"S dlc-"S to forms for public or private devotion; that the clvH niOKlstmlo should restrain cilmc. but never control conscience: should punish gu It. but novo" suppress tho freedom or tho soul 5 Wo bellovo that all men nro bound to .,otnin nnd uphold tho respective govern-rZl govern-rZl in which Tlbey reside, whllo protected In U.oVr lne ent and Inalienable rights by tho laws o" such govoronu-nts; and that sedition ind rebllllon arc unbecoming every cltlacn Urns pro ccte"l. and should be punished accord-rMv- nnd thut all governments havo a right oCennct such la '8 ns Iti their own Judgment ore best calculated to oecure lho public Inter-mIi Inter-mIi at tho snrno time, howovor, holding sacred sa-cred tho freedom ot consclenco. v Wo bellovo that overy mnn should bo i.nnr.rcil In hla station: ruhrs and magistrates n2 S, being Placed for tho protection of tho fnnoccnt. and the punishment or tho guilty; '""i,tl"V to tho laws, nil men owo respect and defcronce. as ! without thorn poaco and hnr-Sfnir' hnr-Sfnir' would bo supplanted by anarchy and Sr; human laws being Instituted for tho purpose of regulating our interests as fViviifuals and nations, between mnn nnd '"2! , and dlvlno laws given or heaven, pro-rlb'li pro-rlb'li rules " spiritual concerns ror faith ami worship, both to bo answered by mnn to 1,1b Maker. i)at nlIrr8 Hlatci. nnd gov- '' .o imvo a right, nnd aru bound to enact SW?o Mho proSn of all citizens In tho r o oVcWlM if their religious bol ef but wo not bDllcvo that thoy havo a right In Jus-tic? Jus-tic? to deprfvo citizens of this privilege, or proscribe them In their, opinions, so long aa a U'card nnd revcrenco nro ahown to the laws, anil such religious oplrilons do not Justify sedition se-dition nor conspiracy. "8. Wu bollovo that tho commission of crlmo should bo punished according to the nature na-ture of tho offense; that murder, treason, robbery, rob-bery, theft, and tho breach of tho n'.nernl pence, In all respects, should bo punished acconllng ac-conllng to their crlmlnnlliy. nnd their tendency tend-ency to evil among men. by tho laws of that , government In which tho offenso In committed; commit-ted; nnd for the public penco and trunqullllty, all men should step forward and use their ability In bringing offenders against good laws to punishment. "3. Wo do not believe It Just to mingle religious re-ligious Influence with civil government, whereby where-by one rollplous Boclcty Is fostered, nnd nn-other nn-other proscribed In its spiritual prlvlleces, nnd tho Individual rights of Us members aa citizens, .denied. ' 10. Wo bolieve. that all religious societies have n right to deal with their members for disorderly conduct according to the ruled and regulations .of such societies, providing that such dcnllng be for fellowship and good standing; stand-ing; but wo do .not bellovo that any religious society 'has authority to try men on tho right of property or lire, to take from them this world's. g9ods. or to put them In Jeopardy of either llfo or limb, neither to Inlllct any physical phy-sical punishment upon them, they can only excommunicato thorn from tholr society, and withdraw from them their fellowship. "11. Wo bMlcvo lhat men should appeal to the civil- law for redress or nil wrongs and grievances, whore personal abuse Is inflicted, or the right or property or character Infringed, In-fringed, where such laws exist as will protect the Kaine; bul we bollevo that nil men arc Justified In defending themselvn. their friend and property, nnd tho government, from the. unlawful assaults and encroachments of all persons) in tlmcH ot exigency, whore Immedlato Im-medlato appeal cannot bo made to lho laws, and relief afforded. "12. Wo bellevo It Just to preach the gospel to tho nations of the earth, nnd warn the righteous to saVo themselves from tho corruption corrup-tion or the world; hut we do nol bellovo It right to Inlorrero with bond norvanls, neither preach thi' gospel to, nor bnptlzo them, contrary con-trary to thn will nnd wish of- Ihelr- mastent, nor to mcddlo with or Influence them In tho Icp'at.. to emtio them to bo dissatisfied with their situations In this life, thereby Jeopardizing Jeopardiz-ing the lives of 'men; such Interference wo bellovo to bo unlawful and unjust, and dangerous danger-ous to the pence of overy government allowing human brings to bo held In servitude. Notes. 1. Inrults to -Paul and to ChrlsL Seo Acts xxlll, 1-3. "Scarcely had tho apostlo uttored tho flret Fenterroo of his dcrense, when, with dls;rrncerul illegality, Ananias ordorod the of-llceia of-llceia ot the "court to smite him on the mouth, ritung by nn.IJlt so flagrant, an outrago so undeserved, the naturally choleric tcmpera-numt tcmpera-numt or Paul flamed Into, thnt sudden sensor of linger which ought to bo controlled, but which enn hardly bo wauling In a truly noblo chnraofer. No character can be perfect which' dci-s nol cherish In Itself a deeply-seated, though perfectly generous and forbearing. Indignation In-dignation against Intolerable wrong. Smarting Smart-ing from tho blow. 'God shall smite thco.' he exclaimed, 'thou whitewashed wall! What! Dost thou alt there Judging me according to the ' law, and in violation of law bldd.. mo to be smitten?" Tho longuaso haH been censured cen-sured lis unbecoming In Its violence, and hns bttn unravorably compared with the meekness meek-ness of Christ before the tribunal or his enemies. ene-mies. (Soo John xvill. 19-23.) Where." nsks St. Jeroino. "Is lhat patience or tho Savior, who as a lamb led to the slaughter opens not his 'mouth-so gently asks the sinltcr. "'If I have- spoken ejvll, bear witness to tho ovll; but It woll. why smitost thou me?" " "Wo nro not detracting rrom tho apostle, but declaring the glory ot God, "who, suffering suffer-ing Ip tho llesh, reigns abovo lhe wrong und frailty p( tho tlosh.' Yet we need not remind re-mind thv reader that onc'o or twice only did Chlisl give the.roln to righteous unger, and blight, hypocrisy and Insolence with a Hash of holy wrath. The by-slanders seemed to havo beon startled by lho boldness of St. Pa.ul'3 rebuke. Tor thoy said to him, "Dost thou revile the high priest or God?' The ' apostlo'K anger had expended Itself In that ono outburst, and ho Instantly apologized with exqutelte. urbanity and self-control. "I did not know.' he said, brethren, that he Is the high prliMt-' adding that, had hu known this, ho would not havo addressed to him the opprobrious op-probrious name of "whlted wall,' bicau he reverenced and acted upon tho rule of scripture, scrip-ture, , 'Thou, shalt not sponk 111 of a. ruler of thy 'pdil Fnrrnr, The Life and Work of St. Paul. pp. 5$)-5l0. 2. Poter'H Teachings regarding submission to I .aw, A special "duty ot Christians In those day was duo respect In all things lawful law-ful to tho civil government. ' Occasions Oc-casions there are and nono knew this better than nn npostlp who had hlmsolf set an example ex-ample of splendid dlHObodlence to unwarranted commands (AcLs 111. 10. 31; v 2S-32: 40-12) When 'Wo must obey God rather than mon.' Dut thoso occasions arc exceptional to the common rule of lire. Normally, and ns a whole, human law Is on the sldo of dlvlno order, and. by whomsoever administered, has a Just claim to obedience nnd respect. It .was a letson so deeply needed by tho Christians of the day that It Is taught as emphatically by St. John (John xlx. 11) and by St. Peter as by St. Paul hlmsolf. "It was moro thon ever needed nt a time when dangerous revolts were gathering to a head in Judca: when tho hearts ot tho Jews throughout the world wore burning with a flerco 11 nine ot hatred ognlnst lho nbomlna-tlons nbomlna-tlons of a tyrannous Idolatry; when Christiana Chris-tiana were being charged with 'turning lho world upsldo down' (Acts xvll. G); when some poor Christian slave, led to martyrdom or put to the torture, might easily rollovo the tension of his coul by bursting Into :ioca-lypllc :ioca-lypllc denunciations of sudden doom ngalnst lho Crimes of the mystic Babylon; when tho heathen. - In their Impatient contempt, might wilfully Interpret a prophecy of tho flnul con-llngratlon con-llngratlon as though It wero a revolutionary and Incendiary throat; nnd when Chrlstluns ut Rome wiire, on this very account, already suyer)ng tho ngonloa of the Ncronlan pcrsc-, pcrsc-, cutlon. "Submission, therefore, was at this time a primary duty of all who wished to win ovor tho hoatlii-n, und to save tho church from being overwhelmed In some outburst of Indlg- , nation which would bo justified oven to reasonable rea-sonable and tolerant pagans as a political necessity. 'Submit, therefore," tho ', apostle says, "to every human ordinance, for the Lord's sake, whether to the emperors as supremo ftho name "King" was freely used , ot tho emperor In tho provinces) or to governors, gov-ernors, as commissioned by him for punishment punish-ment or malefactor, and praise to well-doers; ' ror tills Is the will or God. that by your well-doing well-doing yet should gag the stolid Ignorance of foolish porfons- ns frco. yot not using your freedom for a cloak of baseness, but as slavca or -God.' 'Honor nil men.' ns n principle, and as your habitual practice, 'love the broth- r erhood. Fear God. Honor the King." " See 1 Peter II. 13-17.) Farrar. Early Days or f Christianity, pp. : 3. The Law or God. nnd tho Law ot Mnn, The tcnchlng or tho Church or Jesus Christ or Latter-day Saints, respecting the duty or Itx members In obeying tho laws or tho land wherein thoy live, Is more comprehensive and doflnltc than la that or many other Christian sects. In January. . IbW. an association of tho frco evangelical churches of England officially offi-cially published "A Common Statement of Faith In tho Form of a Now Catechism." Touching tho relation between church and etnto. tho following formal questions and prescribed pre-scribed answers occur: ....... "26. 0- Vlint 13 a free church? A A church which acknowledges nono hut Jesus Christ as head. nnd. thorofore, exercises Us right to Interpret and administer his lnws without restraint or control by tho state. "37 Q. "What I tho duty or lho church to tho otat7 A. To observo all tho laws ot tho slalo unless contrary to tho teuchlnga ot Christ. etc. According lo tho report of tho committee In chargo of tho work of publication, tho c.ite-chlsm c.ite-chlsm "Represents, directly or Indirectly, tho bollefs of not losK, and probably ninny more, than sixty millions of nvowed Christians In all parts of tho world." 4. DIflcontlniiance of Plural Mnrrlago. Tho official net terminating tho prucllco of plural ninrrlugo among the Latter-day Saints wan tho adoption by tho church. In conroronco ns-ocmbled ns-ocmbled ot a manifesto proclaimed by tho president of tho church The language or tho document Illustrates tho law-nbldlng character charac-ter or thn people nnd lho church, as Is tdiown by tho following clauso: "Inasmuch ns laws hav" been enacted by Congress forblddlnc Plural marriages, which laws havo been pronounced pro-nounced constitutional hy tho court of hist resort, I (Presldont Wllford Woodruff) hereby dcclnre rny Intention to submit to those lnws. end lo use my Influence with the momberw of tho church over whloh I proaldo to havo thorn do llkewlso " In the course of a .crmon Immediately Im-mediately following the proclaiming of tho manifesto, President Woodruff snld regarding tho ncllon taken: "I have done my duty, and the Nation of which wo form n part must bo responsible for thnt which hns been dono In relntlon to thnt prlnclplo" (1. o., plural mArrlage). Senator Hoar. May I Inqtilro nt that point what tlmo elapsed hotwoon what thoy speak of as tho final decision of tho Supremo court and Plural Marriage. Air. "Worthlngton If you will pnrdon me Sonator, 1 am coming to that In a fow minutes. It will require a littlo lime to go ovor thoso decisions. Sonator Hoar. Very well; whenever It will "bo convenient for yon to Ret to it. Air. AVorthlneton. After that paragraph para-graph thoro Is a reference to a noto. Each of these chapters Is followed by a noto, and lho note there referred to Is this: Discontinuance of plural marrhiKO. Tho ofllolal not terminating tho prucllco of plural mnrrlago among tho Lntlor-day Saints' was tho adoption by tho church, In conference assembled, assem-bled, o a manifesto proclaimed by tho prcel- drnt of tho church. Tho languago of the document doc-ument Illustrates tho law-nbldlng character ot tho people and the church, as Is shown by the following clauoo: 'Inasmuch as lnws havo been enacted by Congrcs.s forbidding plural marriages, which lawb huvo been pronounced constitutional by the court of Inst resort, I (President Wllford WooJruff) he-cby declare my lntonton to submit to thoso lawn and to use my Influence with the members of tho church over which I presldo to havo them do llkotvlsc In tho courso of a sermon Immediately Imme-diately following the proclaiming of tho mnnl-fcalo mnnl-fcalo President Woodruff, said, regarding thi notion taken 'I have done my duty, nnd tho Nation of which we form a part must he responsible re-sponsible for thnt which has been done In relation re-lation to Unit prlnclplo (I. v., plural mnr-rlnge mnr-rlnge )" That book was Issued, I understand, not only by authority of the church, but was revised, before It was published, by a committee nppolntcd by tho llrat presidency presi-dency nnd composed In part of a member of the first presidency. Mr. Smith. Yes. sir. Mr Wortlilngton. It has been In the hands of your missionaries ami everywhere every-where on sale from tho tlmo It was first published, which appears to havo beon, as has already been shown, April 3. 1S90. Mr. Smith. And In addition to that. Mr. Chalrmnn, If you please, In direct lino with tills remark permit me to say that In every ehuroh school in our church Mr. "Worthlneton. That Is what I was comlnj,' to. Mr. Smith. I may be premature. Mr. "Worthlneton. Go on. I was Just comlnpr to that. Mr. Smith. I thoUcht It would bo proper to stale that fact, that In all our church schools Mr. "Worthlnprton. If you please, before you do that, when you say "our church schools" you know what that means, but wo do not- "What 1b your church school system, so that wo will know how far this goes? Church Schools. Mr Smith. We have established quite a nifmbcr of church schools. Mr. Worthlnerton. "Whore" Mr Smith. Wo have the Latter-day Saints tinivorslty. established at Salt Lake City; wo- havo Brlphnm Young university, uni-versity, established at Provo. In Utah county; we ha-o Brlgnnm Young: college, established In Lopan. Cache county; we havo another largo nnd nourishing school In Oneida county, IdoHo; we have another extensive school, cnlled Snow academy. In Sanpete county; we havo still another In Snowlhike. Ariz : we have another at St. Johns, In Arizona, we havo anothor at Thatcher, in Graham county, Arizona, and alao others of a smaller character-that character-that Is, of an Inferior grade that are conducted by tho church. In which tho principles nnd doctrines of the church aro Inculcated, and In each of which thero Is a missionary clnss. This book tho textbook text-book o that class, so adopted by tho church; and the manifesto Included In this Is mnde a part of tho Instructions to our missionaries In all these schools. Mr. Worthlngton. Now. as to missionaries. mission-aries. Yolt said something as to the general gen-eral Instructions which arc given them, but I want to ask you If you yourself nro ordinarily present when missionaries uro Instructed, or whether that Is dono by somebody else? Apostles Instruct Missionaries. Mr. Smith. Tt Is done by the apostles. Mr. Worthlngton. Who, thon, could give us the most direct and certain In-formatlqn In-formatlqn on that subject? Mr Smith. Well, Mr. Lyman could. Mr. Worthlngton. Ho is the president of the quorum of the apostles? Mr. Smith. He Is president of tho apostles. apos-tles. Mr. Worthlngton. And he Is hero? Mr.' Smith. He Is here. Mr Worthlngton. Now I como to a lino of Inquiry as to which Senator Hoar made Inquiry a moment ago. Prior to 1SC2 thore was. I believe, no law In force In I'tah against either polygamy or polygamous po-lygamous cohabitation? Mr. Smith. No, sir. Mr. Worthlngton. And your people arrived ar-rived there from Nauvoo about 1S47? Mr. Smith. Yes. sir. Mr. Worthlngton. So that they had been there about fifteen years? Mr, Smith. That tacorrect. Mr. Worthlngton. Tho formal proclamation procla-mation of polygamy as an article of faith and practice was made by Brlgham Young In 1S52? Mr. Smith. Yes. sir. Mr. Worthlngton. So It was publicly proclaimed and practiced for ton years before Congress did anything? Mr. Smith. Yos. sir Mr. Worthlngton. Then. In 1S62 there was passed an act which made bigamy an offense? Mr. Smith. Yes. sir. Mr. Worthlngton. Thnt act. however. I believe, did not In any way1 relate to polygamous po-lygamous cohabitation? Mr. Smith No. sir Mr. Worthlngton. Tt punished only tho offenso of a man taking another wife? Mr. Smith. That Is right. Mr. Worthlngton. And as to thoso who had already taken wives, It did not mako It unlawful for them to contlnuo to live with them and each of them as huuband and wife? Mr. Smith. That was our understanding. understand-ing. Mr. Worthlngton. Thon that act was declared constitutional In 1S7S. Decided by TJ. S. Supreme Court. Senator Hoar. By what nuthorlty? Mr. Worthlngton. By tho Supromc court of the United States, In what Is called tho Reynolds case, which Is here. Then, In 1SS2 thore was passed a law, which Is called the Edmunds law. Mr. Smith. Yes, sir. Mr. Worthlngton. And that, for the first time, mado polygamous cohabitation an offenee? Mr. Smith. That is according to my understanding. un-derstanding. Mr. Worthlngton. So that your people had been living thero and practicing po-lygamous po-lygamous cohabitation or plural cohabitation cohabita-tion for thirty years beforo thero w.'is anv law passed making It an offense? Mr. Smltht Yes. sir. Mr. Worthlngton. Jn tho meantime you had acquired several wives, I believe? Mr. Smith. Yis, sir. Mr. Worthlngton. And many others of your pcoplo had? Mr. Smith. Yes. sir. Mr Worthlngton. Then there wero other decisions of the Supremo court, bo-ginning bo-ginning In 1SS5 and running down to which related to that law nnd other subsequent sub-sequent laws9 Mr. Smith. That la my understanding. Mr. Worthlngton. The last of which decisions was made in May, 18D0? Mr Smith Yos. sir. Mr. Worthlngton. And then camo tho proclamation, or mnnlfesto, as It Is called hero? Mr. Smith. That Is correct. Mr. Worthlngton. Tho nets of Congress thon had made a clear distinction between polygamy , A A Sonator Ilonr. What la the dato of tho manifesto? That will mako my notes complete Mr. Worthlngton. September 2G, 1890. Is tho date of tho manifesto, nnd tho dato ot submission of It to tho conference for approval ap-proval was tho Cth of October, ISM. I think you said after tho manifesto your people, aa a general rulo. ceased polygamous po-lygamous cohabitation, ovon? Mr. Smith. That is correct, sir. Mr Worthlngton. And finally tho Stato was admitted In ISTW, under tho enabling act of 1S9I? Mr. Smith. Yes, sir Condition of Enabling Act. Mr Worthlngton. And tho enabling act mado It a condition of Utah coming- Into tho Union that polygamy should bo forbidden, for-bidden, but did not prohibit polygamous cohabitation or mako forbearance from that offenso a condition? Mr Smith. That Is a correct statement. Mr Worthlngton Then your pooplo adopted tho .Constitution which hns beon road hero. In which they did mako It an offence and provided that tho clause should be Irrcvocnblo without tho consent of tho United Stntcs that polygamy or plural marriages should bo forever prohibited? pro-hibited? ttr. Smith, les, sir. Mr Wortlngton And thero was nothing noth-ing In tho constitution prohibiting polygamous polyga-mous cohabitation? Mr. Smith. That la correct. Mr Worthlngton. Continuing lo live with wives already married' Mr. Smith. Yes, hit. Mr Worthlngton. If T remember rlghl-lv rlghl-lv you said that scorned to you to be an Implication by the Congress of the. United States that perhaps you pcoplo who had married In thoso old times might continue lo live with your wives" and nothing . i would bo aald about it? Mormons in Majority. Mr. Smith. But thnt Is a fact, and also tho liberal scntlmenl that exhibited, by all people, both Mormons and Gentiles. Mr. Worthlngton. Is It a fact It has been stated here -soveral times that tho great" majority of tho Inhabitants of Utah belong to tho Mormon church? Mr. Smith. Yes, sir. Mr. Worthlngton. It has been go during dur-ing all thoso years? Mr Smith. All theso years. Mr. Worthlngton. And It has been said here that tho body of fifteen men who nro charged here with' being conspirators control the church? Mr. Smith. That Is tho charge, I believe. be-lieve. Mr- Worthlngton- You have told us your views as" to their authority? Mr. Smith. Yes, Glr. Mr. Worthlngton. What I want to know Is, If Congress had decided that Utah might come into tho Union on the condition condi-tion solely that they would not have any , moro plural marriages, and thero Is a law there which makes polygamous cohabitation cohabita-tion a crlmo also, whero did that como from? Mr Smith. It was pasesd by the Utah Legislature, In other words, tho 13d-munds-Tuckor bill was enacted by the Legislature of tho Territory or of the Stale. Mr. Worthlngton. That was In ISM, was It? Mr. Smith, Counsel Richards saya It was first enacted under tho Territorial statute, and then It was" continued or rc-enaoted rc-enaoted under the' Stato governmont. La-w as to TJnIawful Cohabitation. Mr. Worthlngton. Is this, then, the law which makes polygamous cohabitation uu offenso? Section -1200 has already been , read by Mr. Taylor, but I will read It here "If any malo person hereafter cohabits wllh moro than ono woman, ho shall be guilty of a misdemeanor, and on conviction convic-tion thereof shall be punished by a flno of not moro three hundred dollars or by Imprisonment Im-prisonment In the county Jail for not moro than six months, or by both said punishments, In tho discretion of the court." That 1b tho only law. then. Is It. that makes polygamous cohabitation nn offenso of-fenso In Utah? Mr. Smith. In force In Utah. Mr. Worthlngton. And the law was passed by a Legislature which, was Mr. Smith. Largely Mormon. Mr. Worthlngton. Overwhelmingly Mormon? Mor-mon? Mr. Smith. Yes, sir. Senator Hoar. I would like to Inquire at that point of the witness Mr. Worthlngton. Certainly, Senator. Sonator Hour. Whothor there Is any law which constitutes such cohabitation an offensft on tho part of the woman? Mr. Smith. Yea. Senator Hoar. I understood that the law against adultery which was read a while ago did, apply lo an unmarried woman living In adultery with a married man. Whero 13 the law about the woman? Mr. Worthlngton. There seems to be none. Senator. Any man or woman who commits ajlultery Is punishable. Senator Hoar. Tho law which was rend provided that any woman committing the oflonso with a man commits adultery and Is punishable, but thero Is no law applicable ap-plicable to tt married wpman In the ordl-' ordl-' nary offenso as It exists everywhere. I understand In this anti-polygamy law thero Is no provision except affecting males. Does Not Punish Women. Senator Hoar. Yes; In other words, whether it Is an ovorslght or whether there 1b reason for 1t. there Is 110 law punishing pun-ishing women who disobey this Injunction, If 1 am correct. Is not that true? Mr. Worthlngton. I did not catch that. Sonator Hoar. I say. In other words, thcro Is no law punishing a woman who llveo Wi polygamous relation with a man? Mr. Worthlngtcn. I think not. Mr. Van Cott can answer that question better bet-ter than I can, perhaps. Senator Dubois, When dd you say thl3 law was massed? Mr. Worthlngton. Tho statute says lfi2. Senator Dubois. That was how long before be-fore statehood was passed? Mr. Worthlngton. Four years. Senator Dubois. That wns In Territorial days? Mr. Worthlngton. Yes. Senator Hoar. I do not know whether this question has any peculiar significance or not. Mr. Tayler. I think the Edmunds law did not punish tho woman. Mr Worthlngton. This Is simply tho Edmunds law repeated, which the Legislature Legis-lature rc-enacteu. It Is enforced there both nt an act of Congress and as nn act 1 of the Legislature of tho Territory. Sonator Boveridge. Was that re-enacted after it became a Stato? Mr. Worthlngton. Yes, sir. 1 Mr. Van. Cott. Senator Hoar, did your question, which you put to Mr. Worthlngton Worth-lngton Just now, relate to adultery. Senator Hoar. J did not specify ndul-tery. ndul-tery. Mr Van Cott. I will read this section, 1 because I did not quite catch all tho question ques-tion to see If It covers your question: "Section -1210. Whoever commits adultery adul-tery shall ba punished by Imprisonment In the Stato prison for not exceeding three years; and when the act Is com-. com-. milted between a married woman and a ' man who Is unmarried, both parties to such art shall bo deemed guilty of adul-' adul-' tery, .and when such act la committed between a married man and a woman who Is unmarried, the man shall be deemed guilty of adultery." Senator Bailey. When was that law re-enacted re-enacted or enacted by tho Legislature of Utah' , Mr. Van Cott. Tn 1S3S. Bailey Seeks Infonuation. i Senator Bailey. Was there over an net paffcd through tho Lcglslaturo of- Utah repealing that' r tvrnrtMnctnn I wns nomine to that. Senator. I was going to ask him about that In ono moment. It Is the very next thing I had on my notes. I had. how-over, how-over, asked a question and T do not know whether It was answered. It appears that the only law In forco In Utah which prohibits pro-hibits polygamous cohabitation as dlstln-gunlshcd dlstln-gunlshcd from polygamy Is an act which was passed by this Legislature which was largelv or overwhelmingly Mormon. Mr. "Smith. Yes; that Is correct. Senator Bailey. Just before you pass from that, was this net a slnglo enactment enact-ment of lho Lcglslaturo or did tho Legislature Legis-lature of Utah, after tho State was admitted ad-mitted to tho Union, adopt all tho laws of tho Territory appllcablo to tho condition of a Stato? , Mr. Smith. T think that Is tho cose-that cose-that after tho Stato was admitted all tho lnwu of tho Territory wero adopted by tho State. Senator Bailey. All of tho laws of tho Torrltory applicable to tho condition of a Stato? . ,, , , Mr. Smith. All the laws applicable. That Is what I mean. Mr. Bichnrds Explains. Mr Richards. Mr. Chairman, may I mako a statement In regard to this mat-tor mat-tor to mako it still moro clear? This section sec-tion that has been roferred to Is In a compilation com-pilation or codlllcatlon of tho laws which was mado In 1SSS by a. codo commission and adopted by tho State Mr. Worthlngton. Did not tho constitution constitu-tion provldo that tho laws already existing exist-ing should contlnuo? Mr Richards. Yes, sir; they continued In forco until that codlllcnllon. Senator Bailey. It really required an act of the Legislature repealing It. did It not, or else It came by forco of tho constitutional con-stitutional provision? Mr Smith. Certainly; It continued in force, and finally tho law, ns It now stands, was enacted In 1S0S. Mr Worthlngton. Tho act was adopted bv the Territorial Legislature in 1S92? .'Mr. Smith. In 1S92 - Mr Worthlngton. And then In tho constitutional con-stitutional convention tho acts then In fc.rco were carried forward? Mr Richards. Thoy continued until IttiS Then thoy wero re-enacted by tho Revised Statutes. Mr. Worthlngton, As to tho constitutional constitu-tional convention, Mr. Smith, how did the rnmber of Mormons In that comparo with tho number of Gontllos7 Mr. Smith. 1 could only tell you from a general Impression. 1 could not toll you as to lho exact number. My Impros-r.lon Impros-r.lon Is that tho body was composed very largely of Mormons. Mr, Worthlngton, So that If thero s , any law thero prohibiting polygamous co-htibltnllon, co-htibltnllon, It Is the act of a Legislature composed largely of Mormons? Mr. Smith. Yes. sir. Senator Beverldgc. What about tho act repealing this? Mr. Worthlngton. That is tho question I am going to ask him. Mr. Smith, reference was made In your direct examination to what Ib called tho Edmunds bill. That bill Is lh tho record here. We may as well havo tho language of It in this connection. Mr. Tayler. It Is on page 11 of the protest. pro-test. law Not Repealed. Mr. Worthlngton. "That is what I mean. Thcro never was any bill offered to repeal It. btlt It was to affect its operation. When I sneak of the Edmunds bill I refer to tho bill which Is on pago 11 of the printed record of this case, as follows? "Section 1. That Section -1611 of tho Revised Re-vised Statutes of Utah, 161X3, be, and tho ucmo In hereby, amended to read as follows: fol-lows: , Now', what '3 Section -1511? That 1b not tho section wo have been dealing with at all. air. Taylct'. The words before the proviso pro-viso ore Section 4G11 as thoy now stand. Mr. Worthlngton. Yes; I sec. So thai tho act originally stood: "Evory person who has reason to be-llevo be-llevo that a crime or public offense has been committed may make complaint against such person before some magistrate magis-trate having authority to mako inquiry of tho same." This bill proposes to amend that by making specific reference to this particular particu-lar offense in this way: "Provided, that no prosecution for adultery shall be curnmflnccd except on complaint or tho hunbarl or wire, or rclallvo or the accused ac-cused within tho first iloxrort or conRanfruln-lly. conRanfruln-lly. or of tho person with whom the unlawful unlaw-ful net In alleged to hnvc been commlttM, or or tho rather or mother or unid person, nnd no prosecution for unlawful cohabitation cohabita-tion shall be commenced oxcept on complaint of the wlfo or nllcRod plural wlfo ot tho nccuscd; but this proviso shrill not appiv to prosecutlon-s under section 4n defining "and punishing polypnmous mnrriaccs." So thero was an attempt mado to provldo pro-vldo that polygamous cohabitation nhould not bo punished unless tho prosecution was Instituted by a plural wlfo. Will you toll us what you know about that act, Mr. Smith' Questioned by Beveridge. Senator Boveridge. Is that the act you refer to ns repealing? Mr. Worthlngton. No; it never became a law. Senator. Senator Hoar. What Is the date of the Edmunds law? Mr. Worthlngton. March 22, 1SS2. Sonator Hoar. What Is tho date when the Supremo court held tho Edmunds act unconstitutional? Mr. Worthlngton. As I remmb"er, it was 15S5, in the case of Snow and In the cate of Cannon. Mr. Tayler. Angus M, Cannon? Mr Worthlngton. Yes; Angus M. Cannon, Can-non, 11G V. S. I should say, Senator, not to be misleading this Is an important thing thnt the committeo should know-that know-that It Is rather nsjumed than decided there that that act was unconstitutional. There tho question was raised. In order to convict a man of polygamous cohabitation cohabi-tation under that act. to show that ho occupied the bed ot the .plural wife, whether ho had eexual Intercourse with her. and they expressly decided that If a man simply held her out as his wife "fiauntlt g" Is tho expression used In the opinion that was sufficient. Senator Hoar. They sustained tho con vlctlon'.' Mr. Worthlngton. They sustained the conviction; yes. Let me say that threo years later there came up the case of Snow, which Is In US U. S.. and In that case somebody suggested that the court did not havo Jurisdiction, because It was not nn appealable Judgment, and thov took that view of It. They went back and set In tho Cannon case and let the judgment of tho lower court In loth cases stand, on tho ground that there was no appeal to tho Supremo court in that class of cases. Senator Beverldgc. If it will not Interrupt Inter-rupt the order of your examination. Mr. Worthlngton, what about that statute repealing re-pealing this, which was Inquired about? I am Interested In that. Mr. Worthlngton, There has been no ro-peal. ro-peal. so far as I know. Senator Boveridge. I thought you said there had been. Senator Bailey. I was nsklng If thero was not a bill passed through tho Legislature Legis-lature to repeal It. f Evans Bill. Mr. Worthlngton. That is what I am asking about now, and this Is the statuto referred to. After tho provision that any person may mako complaint about a crime, which I have already read: ; 'Provided, thnt no prosecution for adultery shall bo commenced excopl on cotnplnlnt of tho huuband or wife, or rolatlvo or tho accused ac-cused within tho first decree of conicn;uln-Ity. conicn;uln-Ity. or of tho person with whom tho unlawful unlaw-ful act Is allcccd to havo been committed, or of tho father or mother of eald porsan. and no prosecution ror unlawful cohabitation Bhall bo commenced except on complaint of the wiro or alleged plural wiro or tho accused; ac-cused; but thin proviso shall not apply to prosecutions under section 1C0S dcfinlnc and punishing polygamoug marrlnKa. ' What became of that act? Mr. Smith. It was passed by both branches of lho Legislature, and It wns repealed; that Is, I would say It was rejected re-jected by the Governor. Mr. Worthlngton. You mean vetoed? Mr. Smith. Arotocd; yes, sir. Mr. Worthlngton. Was the Governor a Gentile or a Mormon? Mr. Smith. The Governor was a Mormon. Mor-mon. Mr. Worthlngton. What Is his name? Mr. Smith. Ileber M. Wells. Mr. Worthlngton, I presume that j'ou had the usual provision of law that tho Legislature might jiass It over the Governor's Gov-ernor's vcto7 Mr. Smith. Yes. sir. Mr. Worthlngton What Old they do? Mr. Smith. They never attempted any- tning or me Kinti. Mr. Worthlngton. It never became a law? Mr. Smith. No, sir. Smith Favored Bill. Mr. Worthlngton. You say you favored that bill. At thnt time. I believe, you were not president of tho church? Mr. Smith. No. Mr. Worthlngton. What position did you hold then? Mr, Smith. I was counsel to tho president. presi-dent. Mr. Worthlngton. One of the threo constituting con-stituting tho nrst presidency? Mr. Smith. Ono of the three. Mr. Worthlngton. You said you favored tho bill and that you had spoken to somo of your friends about It, but not to any member of tho Legislature? Mr. Smith. Yes. sir. Mr. Worthlngton. In Justlco to you, 1 will ask you why you favored It? Mr. Smith. It was rather personal, so far as I was concerned. I was ono of thoso unfortunate or otherwise, mon who hnd a numerous family, nntl thero wero certain parties In tho State who wero making It theirspoclal business to pry Into tho prl-vato prl-vato domestic affairs of mon like myself, who wero In tho status of polygamy. Without any reforonco to any other crimes or offenses under tho law we wero mado tho special tnrgotn for this Individual, who was constantly Becking Information and giving Information in relntlon to our marital relations and our associations with our families; and it occurred lo ino that It would bo not only a boon to myself, but a great rolief to those who wero in a similar condition to myself If a law like this should bo pnsed, and thnroby put nn ond to a professional business of csplonngo and spotting by this Individual upon tho privacy ot our people. Therefore, There-fore, T waa In favor of tho law. I spoko to friends of mine. Tho gentleman who Is here, who Is my counsel now, wns, I think, about the only person. I do -not recall that 1 spoko to any other person. ' Mr. Worthlngton. You mean Mr. Rich- 1 ardB? Mr. Smith. Mr. Richards. I spoko to Mr. Rlchardii about it, and 3 Intimated ' to him that I was very much In favor of tho passage of the law. Further, than thrtti I took nodntcrest In that and had nothing to do with It. Mr. Worthlngton. Now I pass to another 1 subject for a moment. Old Revelation in Force. jH Senator Hoar. Before you pass to ' another subject, :i 1 suppose wo aro go-Ing go-Ing to adjourn about this time. I Would , IH llko to ask Mr. Smith a question in that IH connection. . Tho date of the Edmun&M- t bill was In 1&S2, and tt)u conviction In tho LH Snow ense was confirmed by the Supremo j court in 18S5, The- old, revelation Mr. Worthlngton. In the Cannon case. I Senator. Senator Hoar. Tn the Cannon -case, dn , IH 18W. The old revelation continued In force, t I that Ib, it wax riot Interrupted by tho new I one, -or mudllled, until 1S90. Mr. Smith. Until 1S0O. ! Senator Hoar. Now. betwepn 12S2 and: 1 and 1&0, which was binding upon the consclenco of the members of the Mor-1 mon church, the old revelation or tho ' IH statute? IH Mr. Smith T think the lending author!' ties of tho church Xelt that lio statuto waa binding. Senator Hoar. Oyer the revelation? IH Mr. Smltli. Over the revelation. bectuBu It had become the confirmed law of the ' iH land. In other words, tho Constitutional " iH law of the Innd, having been bo dcclnred I. by the Supreme court; but younger fefc- ' ' lows like -myself. Senator, were a "little I more difficult to control, I suppose Senator Hoar, you may say that. If you like. I did not put that with a view to 1 I IH going Inlo any Inconsistency. I IH Mr. Smith, I presumo I am the greatest. . IH culprit. Senator Hoar. I put that question not fl with any view to Inquire Into your pet- ) . sonal conduct or nn'bodys, but you wlh , ; see In a moment that It has a very par- L , tlcular and Important significance on, this I question. That Is, suppose lh regard to, a matter of personal' conduct, Jlke pory- , I gamy, the revelation stands, on one side j unrepealed and the law of tho land on 1 1 the other, which. In your Judgment, Is, J binding upon the consciences of your pec- 1 pie? Who Obeyed the Law. ' Mr. Smith. If you please, I will stato, having been Intimate with th;H'j gentle- ' men, that President Woodruff and George. 1 Q. Cannon and President Lorenzo Snow, ' who afterwards succeeded Wllford WooS 1 ruff In tho presidency of the church," nb-solutely nb-solutely obeyed the law of the land. 'Senator Hoar. That does not fully an- ' jH swer the question. 1 ; Mr. Smith, Excuse, mc, then. 1 per- 1 haps do not understand It. 1 1 Senator Hoar. You arc the head of .tho Mormon church? ! Mr. Smith. 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