Show THE emigration QUESTION INTERVIEW WITH T THE ae UNITED WilTED STATES CONSUL TH tal following an ah inter afew amerlean Amo Ame rIcan consul at the port pori af pf liverpool in relation to the practical operation of secretary evarta JI var anti mormon 0 n 3 c circular ia Is taken from the millennial siar of september be r d and will WO we liba be of particular roa rea readele dere 1 we have mite already deveral himes times alluded bethe to the circular recently issued by mr everts eva rth secretary of state ol 01 the united states government in reference to the proposed stoppage of the emigration of the saints from europe la in accordance with the official instructions it conveyed united states ansul a we i hii gil on monday september lath leoth called upon mr agent for quion lalion co shippers forin torlif formation regarding the shipment of cormona Mor mona from this port to the united rotates mr ramsden not nott being aware of president budges nad Bad lrea absence in the north arranged tor for an interview between him himena und the consul is t to 0 take place anthe afternoon of if september kath elder cope was niao alao ibi absent giai dial however at the time appointed elder by mr aft Rs rims Bims olden ouden den called at the office of mr Air packard who received them quite courteously A conversation ensued upon the subject which brought about the interview duterv w the which we will wiil endeavor to present con COD conae we would like liki to know how you feel with regard to any effort that may be made to stop the emigration of your people to the united states and io la the event of Os uch such an attempts would you continue to endeavor to convey emi granta to I 1 tab elder N I 1 believe I 1 correctly represent the position of mr budge wha is president Pre eident of the ther european mib Mis also the authorities in generally indeed the whole people and slid certainly my own views in stating that thad awe would continue our efforts to gat herthe the everyl country w where here hore tb they ey lie become come identified with tho the church gathering together in lit ond one body la a portion of iou lou our lour r faith falth wet wee vw would deem any at tempt of the kind to which youl yo u lude lade as an endeavor to in the exercise of our rights fights f oon con it is if stated that the number people emigrating to utah has creed increased In of late as his this correct elder N in 1876 of emigrants of all ages that left thib port was 1181 in 1877 1 la in athia eartho number will probably Y ba a little short of that of 1878 the emigration for the present season is over oyer with the tha exception of one small company ompa omha D Y Con Among your people who go boutah to utah from europe co do the unmarried adults or fa families millem preponderate elder N the very large majority aie are fa families milles and and aud the great proportionate onate number of children is a noticeable feature with with our emigrant companies coni presume the pro prospect speet of improving their circumstances is one of the leading inducements that cause your people to go to utah mr ramsden Ramadan Quite a number of them are well to do in la this coun try before leaving eldern elder eider N true a few are in good circumstances before going but they are largely la in minority the majority being comparatively poor although religious sentiment and not the bettering of the temporal condition is the chief inducement inducements du cement cements their circumstances are as a rule vastly improved con DJ da you have any opinion as to whether the british government will interfere with your emigration Kra tion atchu at tho solicitation of the united states government elder N we do not see how such a thing is practicable the saints being orderly and law abid ing there Tb ereis orela la no colaw law in this thiu kingdom that we viro aro aware of by which 3 coul coula do vie prevented pie vented from leaving british ports be bides aides it la Is contrary to the genius of this government tn ln ras aay ut 1 buen suen an obstructive movement being contrary to republican institutions tut ions such as those of the united ki state the temes times and other leading journals Jour naia nala of this country state that the government cannot interfere conche con tho The Tho object of the government in iii the premises la Is of courses course to stamp out polygamy by c ing the faw law lawla la in that regard there is no dau doubt bt of their determination and ability to do this the solvin belving 9 of that question la Is a mere matter mater of bf num numbers burr berr providing that feature of 69 t appeared disappeared dla dia it would doubt lehs lers be treated similarly to any other system of ol religion elder N there appears to be a determination of that kind hind on the part of government we have however 1 unqualified confidence in the ultimate success of what we conceive to be right bt but he the people who emigrate to utah have formed no marital connections probably have not the slightest idea of entering upon way MAY relation elat loris besides uhe ibe certainty that great numbers of them never hever will therefore they are neither lawless in point of tace fact nor intention con Stu seu enly eniy we cannot but view any if abrupt timp tao to 9 stop top them going to utah as unwarranted by jaw right or precedent precedent such buch would na me cessar ceesar ily lly have to be founded upon frail basis of a gi garding ted fud p possible intention of the parties A haink against whom it would be directed 1 som some e general conversation en sued in which eider elder Nie holson hoison alluded to thea misrepresentation to which the saints were wore subjected and which was the cause of much misunderstandings la refer reference enbe to their true character mr ramsden stated here herb that he had dealt as ag ship agent with i oud our people for yeara years rs he had met abuswai 7 and add otherwise with a niber of bf the hildere and aud oilier members of bf the community after arter this lengthened experience he waa WAN prepared to say that a truthful hondt class of persons omo aro he hannever had never met with so far as he was per personally bons sons y concerned habad found no exceptions his actual actual experience had beff tp expect expectations expectation atlon for previously he mid had heard beard many statements concern ing them that ae rogatory derogatory to their char character aeter geter s I 1 elder N supposing you ou learned a party of bur people were about to th leave this port wh what ht course would you take as directed iri lif your instructions Instruct foni ioni cn can I should aadi uld acquaint the legation at london that the british authorities might be asked to inter tem tere i with the departure of the company comba ba ny I 1 should also duplicate the information to the secretary ot of state of the united eldern eider elder N in irr the event of a 4 refusal fu salof of the British 1 authorities ties to ket act do you think be united 8 stated government would prevent the people from landi lindt n ngat glat new NewY boric ork orb coh no the mere if f sueh euch action is unreasonable thara la Is no existing k law liw that would woul d wa warrant arant buch such a u coliee lee lne nau JM au 1 u eum potent law existed the collectors collect om at lit trie ports of the united state would have in all probability been beon notified to prevent theland ing of mormons Mor mons 71 the absence of such instructions appears to indicate that an appeal for the interference of foreign go governments vern ments menth la Is a a prelude to asking congress providing the appeal fail to pass a law by which the desired object could be N accomplished of course I 1 desire it to be understood that T am now merely expressing my personal and private views M mr r ramsden bams Eams den besides it would be a agrest great hardship to td shippers and j very unreasonable unreason able ablo to stop the land of on the other bide side without first giving the ship shippers perg pers due notice of the intended action elder N yon think then that before the united states stated govern go vern ment would take so marked a step as to stop the landing lending of git our people in their ports they would first give no ice of their intention con I 1 certainly do db by courtesy I 1 of the gentlemanly consul consult eld eid elder eider er nicholson icholson wab waa enabled to peruse the off official letter 01 01 instruction the substance of which bag baa already been published whether or not the government may purpose stopping the landing of our oui people in the ports of the united staler stales the circular at least make makel no allusion to me ux l ence of an intention of thai nat nature ane foregoing although perhaps not in the exact form of used on the embodies ii ti urier liner the leading features fea fen turea ot of th the conversation during the interview described |