Show PA C SCENE WEN THAWS TAS i MOT R S ON W ST STAND AND I I I I Aged Woman Loses SeIf and Weeps When Jelling elling of iler Visits to wan She Bitterly Denounces Jerome White WhILe Plains N Y V AilS Aug I last da day of probably of oC Justice Mills hearing OIL Han K i Thaws Flaws petition for from Mat lat opened with Roger OMara for former former mer chief of detectives In Pittsburg and for years ears employed by bj Thaw as a pr private ato as time the I first witness Mr 11 OMara O was corn com commissioned by Thaw to Investigate his charges against Stanford White Mr called him today Loday to sub substantiate substantiate stories told on the tho stand yes lJ by Thaw Time The witness related his In 1901 1101 with the girl said to be now a promInent actress whoso whose story Thaw told yesterday afternoon ill Mr O OMara lara said he saw both this girl arid and her mother molher and what hat thC they told hint him agreed with Thaws ti on a Did you ou believe belleve this was truo asked Jerome Terome Yes it looked plausible and I 1 saw no reason why she should toil tell mo flO such sucha a story If It were vero not trim truo OMara O lara said stid the he girl told him that White Whito was her from rom got I lug a position at any theater I Mr Jerome asked the witness if he i had over before the trial heard stories regarding Immoral practices by Thaw Mr OMara said he had not The detective said ho he had hael read many letters from women to Thaws attorneys nes Generally ho remarked they ended by wanting some money and I 1 would tear them tIp up arid and throw them awa away awaI I dId not got get enough to pay m my ex x I was not itt In It Il for money I knew Mr 11 Thaw as a bo boy and I came down here or of ID my own accord to do what I could But how much did you OU get per persisted Jerome Jeromel l I did not got over 2200 In all 1 was here seven seeks during the first trial and part or of the second Were ou ever eor called on to settle an any matters In which Thaw was as In Involved No NoOr Or 01 elsewhere No sir Did this lila story of an actress ex cx In the ways or of New York that lint ono one of oC the mO most t prominent men In New York trIed to wrong her In a room In Madison Square Garden Gardon tower seem scorn true truo to your our sophisticated mind Yes I though It IL was probable OMara was excused and Mr Mors chauser called Mrs Mary Mar Copley Thaw to the stand She WItS was asker aske to ex explain explain plain Detective position Mi O OMara lara came into Inlo this case she sho said because he said he wanted to do all ho he could for Mr Thaws boy bor borI I I 1 think his position In this case caBO was like millions or of angels and she quoted They also served who only stand arid and walt waiL Mrs Thaw produced a chart sho show lug Ing members of the family In Including eluding every descendant of the lie runs prig great grandfather The paper was offered In evidence She named two cousins of Harrr William and Harrietta Thaw brother and sister and said Raid these were the only cases of oC Insanity she hall had ever eer known In the tho family And they thoy she said got their Insanity from their mother Two members of ho Copley Cople family she said were epileptics The witness eX explained Harrys alleS alleg alleged eel ed wild actions at the wedding of his sister Alice Allee to the tho Earl of oC Yarmouth She denied that her son had thrown a loving cup out of oC the window windo The Clip was thrown out b by someone else she said in pursuance of an English wedding custom Harry was very busy A that day she said looking after the luggage one or of the tho thousands or of stories that were built up out of dis distorted facts Other tables supposed to illustrate Thaws Insanity were Iere explained b by his mother Ono One about pl thu piano late Into at night resulted from Crom the tho tact that Reginald do de Koven Eoven the com composer poser was the family guest and he and Harry played 3 a rn m while the tho others listened with great groat delight She spoke with particular bitterness or of Dr Allen Hamilton This alienist she sho assorted told her bor that If IC she Would submit to the lie plan or of send sending In ing Harry Harr Thaw t nw n he HamIlton would arrange that Thaw should have a suIto or of rooms anti and andery every ery comfort and that she ahe and her daughters might visit hIm when they chose Mrs Thaw declared that Dr Hamilton persuaded her to agree to hIs methods by plausible arguments She described his methods of build building in ing up lip au an Insanity defense for her herson herson son Mis Thaw asserted that Mrs Mra Fletcher the Harvard archaeologist and Harrys former r teacher had ex expressed expressed pressed regret and shod tears over Continued on Page Pac Five Pathetic See Scene neW hen 1 I Thaws Mother Is On the Witness Stand From Froni Page One LImo tho manner In iii her imor evidence wa au to aho show Thaws un Mrs Irs Cople Thaw tos today used time tho word mord torture In In referring to District Attorney Jo Je Jeromo romo of Imer hOl son lIOn When she quoted lerones alleged words word thIs man Is now in tIme tho where I lie he will ho be Inept the rost of his life tears camo to lo her oyes and she hind had to o to recover her hor rd Mr fr tIme the witness to annie some of assocIates Prior to his imis Her answer was read from froni a list of guests at a dinner that hint time the Thaws gave savo In Now New York 1011 In 1005 The lIst Included Mrs Irs Van Mr lr and Mrs A Townsend Burden Burdon Sir Bacho mini Lad Lady Cunard I Hadley Lad Paget Mr and I Mrs Irs William Jay LIvingston Mr Mm am and I Mrs Oliver iI H P Belmont Mr and I Mrs Robert Mr and Mrs J J and Honry Clews Time The witness failed her hor entirely when site sho again attempted to describe what sho milie saw during her to her son at wan It seemed scorned to me like 1110 the vestIbule to time tho regions she said and burst Into tears covering her face with her handkerchief Mr Ir Jerome lied had no questions Dur i Ing th witness denunciation ho sat I without n a word or a trace or of resent Josiah Thaw supported lila mothers steps stells back to her seat scat behind Harry H a Dr Britten Brillon D Evans Eans declared that Thaw hall had been coached for his appearance on the tho stand Jerome nude mude an obvious effort to tIme the witness when lie he asked Do you think Governor Fort meant you ou In his hil comments yesterday on medical ex experts II erts I dont know Mr Ir Evans replIed If you want to go Into personalIties I dont Mr Jerome continued his sharp questions untIl Dr Evans Enns finally turn turned turned ed on him with tIme the reminder that le Jo Jorome rome had faIled to secure him as the prosecutions witness at time the trial anti that his room at a New ew York hotel hind had been broken Into I dont know hy by whom lie he said Insinuatingly Time The dIstrict came back backwith backwIth with a storm of queries about the witness vi report prepared for Thaws I at the second trial Did you JOu think that statement wan I truo asked Jerome Was Wag It Il in intended intended tended to be true truc Dr Evans flushed Dont you ou thInk a low t type pe of question 1 ho asked I No sir I think In Iii cur ur case It Is the of to put Jerome J Justlee Mills asked askell it At an any time did Thaw iima express to you yon any ex cx beliefs regarding White than hum he has hns te testified to here No except on my mr first three visits after his arrest After Aftem that lie he ox ex expressed pressed confidence in time the Information lie he had received but no more vigor Isor than lie ho dId before Yesterdays Proceedings White hite Plains Aug 5 lore of those stories which have hac stained the morn mem or ory of Stanford White stories that time the tale of the Madison Square Tower room as told by Even Evelyn Nesbit Thaw were related at the sanity hearing before Justice Mills toda today The They were told first by wItnesses caned called In Harr Thaws he be behalf half himself who testIfied d hoping to show simoi that things he told about were ere not nol delusions and that this Phase of oC time the states attack on his san sanit it Is unfounded Thaw may amy be called a again aln tomorrow Time The attorneys will sum simm up on Saturday and Justice hopes hOllOS to render a decision next week David N Carvalho the New York handwriting hi I mig expert rt testIfyIng for Thaw told of episodes connecting Stanford White with two young whom it Is alleged lie he to ruin One was Miss Mae McKenzie au aim ac actress actress tress and the others name was given ns as Sie Parker From Miss Mc l Kenzie Thaws attorneys had obtain ad d n a noto which figured figurell In the trials as tho mushroom letter leLLer White represented as ms the tho situ au thoI It was read In court today It Il was as concerning this that Miss McKen ilcKen had said accor according to Thaw that liar her father would kill 1111 both liar her and If ho he had hiatt seen time the contents Mr It testified as to an ami aW affI which hue he said Site Suo Parker made describing au aim alleged attempt of White to ruin her when sho first came ame to New York as a young oung chorus rl When Tinny Thaw took time the stand the dis district net attorney anxIous to lot let him tell teU all he knew kness evidently with time the hope that time the to talk on this theme would show Justice M Mills Ills that he was insane on the subject Mid And Tha w oas Sas eager eagar to tell teU timing tg I simm am going to toll tell you jOU now lie ho said affected mo me reI very se seriously at time the time He In detail the tho alleged of a girl whom lie he said White tried to wrong rong when I Jho was but sIxteen He said that altar wIn ning lieu hOl confidence lured the I girl to his on I New York 1011 Th girl escaped I through a lucky luck chance chanco lie he said and andI I later hater obtained a 1 large sum of oC money from froni White under tinder throat of a t suit After that he continued Whito had bad timo tho girl boycotted so that for several years ars she could not play pia an engage went ment at an theater in Now New York ThIs woman woman now heW concluded Thaw Is ono one of time the foremost actresses on the American stage I Thaw gave gao the location of four places lie ho said White maintained for immoral purposes I |