Show ROBERTS COl TEMPTIBLE POSITIONo1 i The Attitude of Dodging Evasion and Duplicity with Respect to His Marital Relations j Provokes Hostile CriticismHis Practical Disowning of Celia Dibble Roberts and the I Twins and His Attempt Discredit Known Facts Places Him in a Most Unenviable Unenvi-able Light I 7 The widespread Interest In the Rob rts case now ponding I before Congrcsii prevalent throughout the United States t makes It by nil odds one of the most be Important domestic problems now ing considered No ono in Utah who has not ber n East recently can realle huw scrlfusly I the people regard this f matter nor how unanimous Is the dc r Hire maLer thut Congress shill place the seal of condemnation on tf practice of f polygamy The very first question asked of ann S a-nn or wonnn whfn Il Is 1 discovered that they are from Utah Is What do you know about Roberts On the rf trains about hotela in street cars the oyerpresent topic oC conversation js 6 ithe Roberts case The newspapers daily refer to the S natUr both In a serious and jocular vein I is a fruitful subject for the S cartoonist The correspondents of the loading I nAwspnpero ut Washington scarcely allow a day to pass without making mention of the case In their reports re-ports The sensationalist can always find something upon which to write a letter or paragraph to his liking While S the serious minded and the moralist Is never troubled to find the subject for 3 r lecture or n sermon on morality I Ohe serious feature of the matter so Jar i S J-ar as serou Utah Is concerned Is that no manor Il man-or woman no mailer what their religious re-ligious or political belief or rode of morals may be hns a good word to say t for the defense Sympathy for the Con I gressmanelect Is occasionally expressed ex-pressed but no one will declare that lie ought to be given his seat r t The people of Utah aiv quite generally I r gen-erally condemned for electing Mr Roberts Rob-erts and tlir opinion In prevalent that thE great majority of the people o Utah I S are In harmony with Mr Roherlss Idea of matrimony This view o ihe I matS mat-S i tor gives rise to the desire to discipline ki the Slate ant ihf rltixfns thereof by rheadoptjon of n Constitutional amendment amend-ment which will rip Congr s s the right S lo enact laws for the punishment of s polygamy bigamy and kindred crimes m the StateS S S I Is quite generally known In and iround Washington that the ablest I 1 ttatcsmon and lawgivers In Congress specially In the Senate are giving the problem raised by the Roberts case more sevliUH consideration than they lC giving to most any other subject f Df national Importance CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT S rho demand for a Constitutional miendment prohibiting polygamy bIg I imy ant other crimes Is HO generalS general-S that members of Congress feel that itS It-S cannot be Ignored and yet some of the I ablest men of the t Nation doubt the wisdom of such an amendment I Is I said that Senator Hoar questions the wisdom of such an amendment which to be effective will have to Invest Congress Con-gress with power to enact legislation I V Vhlcli to 0 certain extent will InvestS the Federal courts with police Jurisdiction Juris-diction in matters which they think should properly belong to the States rhey think such a precedent would open the door for other amendments on other subjects thus Increasing the power of the general Government to regulate matters which have alwavs been considered con-sidered Inherent In the people of the 5 several States I is known that some of the leading I men of the Nation who are charged I with the duty o dealing with this mutter mut-ter fooling that In only one State of the Union are conditions such as to make It necessary to consider an I amendment to the Constitution dealingS dealing-S with polygamy etc have suggested 5 that It might be better to disrobe Utah ns a Slate than to establish a precedent prece-dent by l the adoption of a conKtllutlonal amendment which In future may work ill to other States of the Union AGITATION GENERAL The agitation aroused by the Roberts S case Is so general and farreaching and so firmly convinced are the people generally t gen-erally that the conditions revealed by the Investigation conducted by the committee i com-mittee of Congress are quite prevalent r in Utah that bum positive action Is demanded de-manded on the part of Congress which L will call a halt in Utah The fact that t the people outside of Utah fcpll out81dl are overwrought f over-wrought In regard to this matter cuts very little figure HO far as the effect on r Utah Is I concerned They the people of Ihe I United Stated think that the inS in-S lluence of a Stale wlvre polygamy prevails pre-vails must of necessity be bad and that Js j U will spread among the neighbors S That Ihe I Roller is < asc Is directly osmonsiblp for UIH rnndltlon of the public mind Is without question All kinds of opinions detrimental to Mr Roberts and the people of the State have been formed from u perusal of th proceedings before the Congressional committee It phould be taken CormHlel I FhoU1l n lulu consideration S 5 sideration that the opinions and beliefs of Mr Roberts arc quite generally ac oplid In the East mi the opinions and beliefs of the people of Utah and that very few people regard the religious belief 1 of the majority of the people of E Si j Utah as a shiplfl for those beliefs and tip rnIOh 1 ROBERTS LOSES SYMPATHY S In the examination of witnesses bf ore the Congressional committee MrS Mr-S obtria lost sympathy In an Interview < Alth Arthur McEwon Mr Roberls said S ho would be dd If he would give 1 up S his wives This Interview wns published pub-lished In ihe I Philadelphia North American Amer-ican of December 7th S This was quite generally commented upon by KnMcrn papers and miL people peo-ple expressed admiration for his courage S cour-age and wondered why he did not say I S the sam thinS to Congress and abide th consequence AAhen ho n appeared I Defore the committee on December 13th S ind when confronted with this declaration I declara-tion he flinched the people who had I expressed admiration for him said xprNiSI < admlrlon dd him I TUB MEWEN INTERVIEWS S The following lt l taken from the ofll clal report of the proceedings of tho committee When Mr McEweu was on S the stand Chairman Tnylcr reading I from the Interview in the North American Amer-ican LeanS icanTlifiw women have stood by I me They arif jeoodnnd true women the low has 5 Mid i Mhhlbpart from them My church i Inui bowwl to 11m command of ConJ niwl relinquished the nractlco of plural marring But the law can not tree me from obligation awumcd before I spoKe No power cr do that Eeii were S-tha thai church that sanctioned theae marriages S will performed tho ceremonlo to turn Its Imck upon us and say the nutrrlRKw III > S not valid now and that I must slvo thews 5 Rood nnd loyal women up Fit b damnetl if 1 would DM tie ay that A He aid I I By Mr nOMtl S Q The conversation between us WA I quite Informal A quite Informal Quie Q Did Robrt know that hd wns being lniGrvru or publication A Tat I do not know ywi knew 1 w 1 i-newspaper S newspaperman hvrauvo I told you who I WIUK EQ You told mo you were Arthur ilc Evfrn A > Q Of cnnmo you bKl never ml Hob I trim before A Never Q And 701 knew nothing of Limo facts cpUiuf what Is purported to be in lUN cunxcnMtloii A LCxePt bjrv > c mu > ti import Q And the convent Ion Wi eeneniJ S tlnd aton S A b well ae particular A C Ilr Q As to i tho conditions In Utah A 1 elm VCMQ And you nmtle no notes whatever of this conversation A None at all at the lime By Urn Chairman Q Let im isk you this In so far ns you hid any bias In respect to thin I In < iulry wan It favorable or unfavorable to Mr Roberts1 A H wns Hvmjmthetlc with Mr Roberts Q Your newspaper hns been rl her taking the I Roberts aide A Not the newspaper news-paper i no Q i menu the Washington correspondent I correspond-ent A Yes that 5s Il has been expressing I I cided express-ing sympathy minority with Mr Roberts In a dc i By Mr LlulefleM Q TIow loon aflor the interview did you rodiifft I to writing A 1 had tho conversation con-versation In the afternoon and I wrote It out In tho evening J3y Mr Lunham Q When and where did this conversation conversa-tion occur A In tho chamber of tho S HOUMt Q On the day after ho made his speech in iln House A It was on Wednesday Q Since thin Congress met A Yes By iho Chairman 1 Q It wa the day after he made his speech In the House A Yes I Tho Chairman That wag the day the committee organized I By Mr Llulefleld Q i wniitocl to ask If you remember 1 whether or not he mado nay reference to either of the wives by name A No ho did rot I My Mr Roberts I Q That was the question 1 wished to ask rind furthermore did ho in any way specify horn did he confers to having I two wives or ono plural 1 wife A No yon dM not Q May I It not have been through along a-long conversation of that description that the conditions ipfcrred to were general conditions Instead of particular conditions I condi-tions A Oh no you spoke of general conditions and used your own case to 11 lustrato them Q But thcro was no special reference to any particular woman In tho case A Not at all The language In which you referred to the women Is nearly verbatim there I remember tho conversation Mr Robertss evident Intent to evade a plain statement of fact after such a positive declaration had a bad effect so far as he was concerned DISREGARD OF WIVES Tils disregard of the reputation of his wives was shown In his crossexamina tion of E H Parsons who stated that he had occasion to telephone to Dr Maggie Shipp at the request of a neighbor neigh-bor early one morning in January 1SOG and thai B H Roberts uiswored Mr Roberts crossquestioned Mr Parsons as follows By Mr Roberts Q Do you know B IF Roberts by his voice A I dont think J would bo willing to Identify him by his voice that Is 1 did not know his voice at that time I Q Are thero any other Roberts in Salt Lake A No other n II Roberts Q Did ho say ho was B II Roberts A Yea sir Q Did he pay ho was Brigham IT Roberts Rob-erts A I dont think ho did but just B II Roberts I Q Isnt there a Bolivar Roberts there A I think ho was In heaven at that time Q Lot us hopo so but was there not a man by that name In Salt Lake A Yes sir In relation to Bolivar Roberts I should buys known his voice anywhere because I was well acquainted with hIm Q This was S oclock In the morning A About Unit lime Q Dr Maggie C Shipp had a telephone In her office A She had a telephone I think she maintained her office there Q Where people may go there on business busi-ness A I think so It Is not strange that many people I will think that Mr Roberts should have been the last man to suggest that there might have been another man at the other end of the telephone He may I have some trouble explaining this incident in-cident to his wife In the future QUIBBLE AND DODGE Mr Roberlss desire to quibble and I dodge Is shown by many things which occurred during the Investigation before be-fore the commlllee Rev Dr Wishard who Is well acquainted with Mr Roberts Rob-erts testified positively that Mr Roberts Rob-erts had Introduced Mrs Maggie Shipp Roberls to him as his wife the testimony I testi-mony of Dr WlBhard was direct and positive that Mr Roberts had on the iraln at MantI Introduced the lady as his wife AVhen Mr Roberts came to crossquestion Dr Wishard he proceeded pro-ceeded as follows Q Was Mr Roberts drunk when he Introduced In-troduced I you to Magglo Roberts as you say A I did not usk him Q AVas hr Insane when ho did It A I was not sitting on the case I should say ho was not certainly Q And you think It would be a reasonable reason-able IhhiC for a man to place himself In the position J I I jour testimony t hero shows tin Representative from Utah lId by Introducing In-troducing Mrs Roberts to you A Yos nip I dont think It was an unreabonable liitiiK I at that time Such things were cc Liirrlnp Q Yon soy you aro not certain he introduced intro-duced her II his wife A I do not remember re-member whether lift uned the words my wlfo or the words Mrs Roberts but one of those phrases ho used I was Introduced In-troduced to hiii wife of thai I am positive posi-tive I tivej < But If he did not use tho lerm wife how do you know the Introduction was Intended to bo 4u hbwlCe l A I do not say he did not ISO tho ierm wife Housed Ho-used ene of those phrase Q Ho used cither Mrs Roberts or my wIfe A Yes one of them I Q You do not know which A One of them I say that positively I was being Introduced to Mr Roberts wife THE PRINCIPAL CHARGE against Mr Roberts which the Congressional Congres-sional committee wns Investigating was that he was a polygamlBt l that he was living with at least I one of his plural wives and raising children by her Mr Roberts has refused to afllrm or deny Ihu truth of the charge Resting his case apparently on the fact that the I actual marriage ceremony to Celia DSb ble Roberts cannot bv l eKtabllshed by positive proof l The testimony of Thomas Thom-as J Brandon of Ccntcrvlfle on this point was very conclusive Some of the questions asked by Mr Roberts In the crossexamination of this witness are paraly7ere One gentleman present when Mr Brandon gave his testimony remarked slgnlflcnnUy If Celia Dibble Dib-ble Roberts Ja hot tho wife of B H Roberts who U I she The following Is the testimony of Mr Bnmdon Including tbe croRscxamlna lion by Mr I Roberts and questions asked by members of tho committed as taken from the stenographers report THOMAS 1 URAXDON SWORN By Mr Schroeder Q AVhat Is I your full name A Thomas J Brandon Q AVherc do you rcsldo A At Cen tervllle Utah Q low long has you resided there A Since 1SW I Q What IR your ago A I was CT years ola my last blrtlulay Q What If any public ofHce or offices have you tilled In Utah since your resi dence there A Tho first omco I held was constable I held It for six years Q AVhnt else Postmanler Q How Ionic did you hold that office A I ilont recollect Some twelve or fourteen four-teen yenra though Q Any other public office A Ye Kir Q What was it A Probate Judge Q For what county A Bavin county Q How long did you hold that olllce I A iwo terms Q Are you acquainted with Mr Brig liam H Robert thiJ ConKrewmanelect from Ttah A Yes > lr Q How long have you known Mm A I Oh upward of twenty yun rQ Arc you acquainted with Louisa Smith Roberts the wife Mr B II Roberta Rob-erta A V4J air S Q How lone h vc you known her A Iihav known hr ever lac hw nna a I child Q Arc you acquaint wHh Cells Dlb j bio Robert the reputed second wlfo of B II Robert A Yes sir I Q How long have yon known liar A I havo known her for years 1 knew her when she WlH a small girl Q Are they neighbors of yours AYe A-Ye Fir they live In lie > PA mo village not far off Q Vlml Is I the village A Ccntervllle Q How large a vtllfigo Is It A Oh It lias OX or 1O1 Inhabitants I guess Q llov I fur Is It from Salt Uiko City A Twelve I miles Q Are you acquainted with the children of LouIsa Smith Roberts A Yes air somewhat Q Will you state how many she has A Well I dont know whether I can state the exact number or not Q Well approximately A Well she has either lIve or six children Q Are you In any way by marrlago or otherwlHe related to Louisa Smith Rob orts and If ho how A Only In this wise Mr Robertas father and myself wore married on tho amo day and we married sisters Ills second wlfo Is my wifes sister Q bias CelIa Dibble Roberts any children chil-dren A Yes sir I j I Q How many hat I you know of A I 1 think she Is I the mother of six if I recollect I recol-lect right I I Q How many of them aro living A I Five I think i I Q Do you know anything concerning I I the uxlHtenuo of some reputed twins that are said to have boon born to her AYes I A-Yes sir Q What do you know of them A 1 J I I r know that on tho morning of the 11th of August IW7 It wis the current report around Cenlervllle that Mr B II Roberts l hail had a pair of twhls born to him by I i Celia Roberts Q Thai Is Cella Dibble Roberts AYes A-Yes Va Dibble Roberts I Q Have you since 1 then seen the children chil-dren A Yes sir i Q Frequently or otherwise A Woll I not very frequently 1 have seen them several times I I Q What other children has Cella Dlb blo Roberts A 1 think all her children I wn girls except one hey Q VluiL Is tho nexl youngest child besides I be-sides the twins A I dont I know of any S anyQ I mean the noxt oldest A I could not tell you I believe It Is a girl i Q JIavo J you seen her A Yes I have seen lur Q Can you tell approximately her areA are-A T dont know that J i an but some whores about well l kink I she was born somewhere about JS03 but I would not bo I I certain I Q I I would ask you whether or not Iheso i chlhlren of Cella Dibble Roberls arc I recognized in Cenlervlllu as the ihlldren I of Brigham II Roberts A Yes sir Q When you were postmaster at Cen tervlllo did any of tho children of Cella Dibble ever cull for tho I mall uf Mr B IT Roberts or 1 Vila Dlbblo Roberts A Yes they frequently called Q How did they call for H I < A They called for Celia Robertss mall and sometimes some-times Cella Dibble Roberts s but most generally Celia Robertss Q Did they make any request for tho mall of Mr B H Robert < and If so j how A The request came from Mrs Cella Dibble Roberts like this That she wanted 1 her mail kept by Itself and did not want It to go to the other house Q I mean as fO Mr Roberts Did the children ever call for Mr Robertas mull A Yes occasionally Q And how by what designation if I any A Pas mall Q And 1 will ask you whether or not I In find about Centervllle Cella Dibble Roberts Is generally recopnled as tho plural wife or B H Roberls the Con gressmanelect from Utah A Yes sir I both publicly and privately Q lave you ever seen Mr B II Roberts I Rob-erts about there Oh I have seen him about there once In a while not very freuen Lly Q You have seen him about the promise prom-ise of CelIa Dibble Roberts A Yes Q As well as the premises of Louisa Smith Roberts A Yes I have seen him theru but not very frequently By Mr Roberts Q Mr Brandon you say It Is currently reported In Centervllle that Cella Dibble Roberts Is the wife of Mr B II Roberts A Yes sir Q Did Mr B H Roberts every Introduce Intro-duce you to her or her to you as his wife A No sir Q Were you ever at her home A Xo IrQ S Q And you have never called at tho house have you A No sir Q Youdo not visit at the house of Mr B H Roberts do you A No Fir 1 Q You pavo an aflldavlt In hut February Feb-ruary did you not covering substantially the same ground you now testify to A 1 think F did Q I will now ask you If about iho 1st of November you did not over your own signature In a card In UK Salt Lake Herald say that you had given no testimony testi-mony concerning B H Roberts A I do not recollect Q Dont you remember that in response I to point criticism of your neighbors you did that and that you wcro indignant alI lie al-I siKKoslion that you were giving any I Infornnllon upon the subject A I sa ill J I 1 hilt given none to Mr Owen I recollect that fj You recollect that as staling it In tho paper A Yes thai T had given IHIIIO to I Mr Owen cither directly or Indirect dIrectly S ll And you published a card lo lhat I effect in the Salt Lako IIcriM aboul the date 1 mentioned I A Yes sir Q Did not hal I card of yours In the I Herald that you now recollect rover the subject cenerullyTilml you bad given no lnformallon on lie subject whatever A No sir It did nol I did nol Intend that II uhould either III Q You strictly ronllncd your denial to having given Mr Owen any Information A Yea sir I Q Ihcn It Ans merely a subterfuge on your purl A It I was a statement of the truth so far IIM that was concerned Q Did von not attend i1 reunion of the village people In December of lust ear A 1 think HO I ihlnk I recollect It Q You wore invited lo sneak on that occasion wens you not A Yes Q And did you 1110 Ice any reference to tho Roberts case at that time A I think I did III a kind 1 of a roundabout wav i I Q Did you not rtnte thai you voted 1 for T H r Roberts I did I I Q And did you not say that you did NO I l because ho was the only white man up for the candidacy A I said this that ho was the beat man on either Hide 1IPJ Ci And you hoped lo t1 eo him sealed III C nRr x No I dont think I ever made that c > irchMion U Mr Brandon you arc not n Mormon A No sIr I Q S Yuu arc what IH generally regarded as a dissenter or un uwiHtaln from the church are you not A By some and not by others Q But how do you regard yourself A I regard myself sImply is Outgrowing Mormonlem and quit It of my own ui curd If you want mo to answer It Just as 1 see It I will do JU Q I merely asked you for the answer you have given You know nothing ppr ptunnlly of any relations anmunilne to co habitation on thr hart of Mr B II Rob erts whIm ella Dibble Roberts Mr Srhroedcr think thai Involve a ccIUt lon of law perhapH an to what COnStItutes cohabitation The Chairman do not care Mr bchroedor Tho witness may HQL ho clear about It that Is all A No sir I do not By Mr Roberts Q You never knew him to publicly or privately maie a statement thnt she was his wife A I dont know that I ever did S didQ Q All you know then Is general repute on that question A All I know Is general gen-eral repute on that question and by see lag tim women and by seeing the chil dren and by associating with them for ten years Q Do you know It to bo a fact that Celia Dibble Roberts bus never lived In CenteryiUo until recent years that IK until her reputed marriage 1 A rOB I knew who had not lived there until along In the nln Ue She moved along aboul Hint time from Knysvlllp Q Do you not know she lived 1 in Colorado Colo-rado from tntp In iwe until late In 1WS 1 k No j I dont fc > ow Mho did I Jienril he dIe Q You dont know then that she lutd a ionic In 1oiurido during all thmw ycartc o air I do nut Q Do 0i1tgtttPrpber the taonor th death ot r > II clld In tho fatally qf CelIa Dibble KoNrl A Yen nJr I Q Old you attend the funrntl striIcss7 A I 1bt Q Do you remember whether or nojt i Mr r Jf Roberls was there as one of the mourner A He was Q Havo you seen the tombstone since A Yen Q I5y what designation is the child described de-scribed upon the tombstone A Lena daughter of B5 IL nnd CelIa Roberts I By Mr Mfers i Q What was the dale of that funeral I A No date on It By Mr Schroeder S C Q As you remember It A Tt wns Iho summer before last as I remember It I fly Mr Roberts Q What was the aGe of the child as I you remember A 1 dont remember Q Was she 12 or 14 years old A 1 could not tell you fir Q IK It not probable that she was of I thai ape A I think sho was 11 or 12 somewhere along there and il may ho older Q And when did she die A I didnt take any note oC that Q About how long ago according to your recollection AA year ago this last inmnicr By the Chairman Q Mr Brandon when did Louisa Smllh become tin wife of Mr Roberts If you recall aboul the lime A Well I did not koep ihe date bat It must bo over twenty years a no Q And tihout whn was It Jlnt reputed hiLt I Celia Dibble became his wife A It was along In tho t eighties Q Early or hue in the eighties A I Well to the be st of my recollection It was about tho middle of the eighties Q Y ni recall a prosecution against Mr B II I Roberts I do you not In connection with his relations with Cella Dlbblo Roberts Rob-erts A Yes sir Q Have you any recollection as lo how long before thai It was ald he married her A 1 could not say how Ion before that Q When fella Dibble Roberts camo to Cenlervlllo to live where did she live A She lived In T Porters house close by l what Is called Porters lane on the left hand side of the road as you go north Q And where was Louisa Roberts living at that time A She W1I living at lint time where Mrs Celia DIbble Roberts llv > s ru Iho present lime Q Where did Louisa Roberts go when she left tIme houses In which CelIa Roberts now lives A She wont to a new house lhat Mr Roberts bulll Q And when she moved in tho t new house Cella moved Into the house that Louisa had formerly been occupying Js thai right A Yes sir that Is right Q And are they both lIving In those houses looa A Yes sir Q willi their children A Yes Dy Mi McPherson Q Who owns the two houses A Mr Roberts far as 1 know S Q When did that change lako place When did Louisa movo Into the now house amid Celia Dibble move Into tho house formerly occupied by oulsa A 1 could not tell Probably two or three years ago By Mr Llltlefleln1 Q How far do you live from thr > house occupied by Cello Dlbblo Roberts A Well I dont think It 13 n quarter of a mile to eIther plnco from whero I live By tho Chairman Q How far aro the two houses apart A The Celia Dibble Roberts house is I about a quarter of It mile I should Judge from the house of Mrs Louisa Smith Roberts not to exceed that X should think By Mr Roberts Q You say there Is a tombstone overtime over-time grave of Lena Roberts A No sir Q Do you say that thcro Is anything that marks the grave of Lena Roberts A Yes sir = thcro In a headboard Q And hal f Is I Inscribed Tho daughter daugh-ter of B II and Celia Roberts A losS los-S Ir I S IrQ Q Do you know that tho house which Celia Roberts liven In Is the house of Bib B-ib L Roberts A No I dont know that there has been any transfer I know by general repute It la said to bo your building By Mr Llttleficld Q What about the mall delivered to tho children when they called for their fathers fath-ers mall what mall was delivered to the children A Cella Dibble Robertss mall Q When tho child called for her fathers fath-ers mall whoso mall did you deliver A I delivered onco or twice to a son he has got Harold Roberts I Q Whose mall did you deliver A Most generally Cella Dibble Robertss By tho Chairman Q S You dont understand tho question You said they asked for Pas mall AYes A-Yes Q AVhat mall did you deliver nt that time A At that time 1 delivered Mr Robertss mall By Mr 1 Morris Q The mall of Mr B IL Roberts AYes A-Yes sii By Mr Llttlefleld Q VnK there any objection made on his part to such delivery A Ho never made ann an-n Mr Roberts S Q Do you know hint the mall thus cilied for was at the I Instance of Mr B II 1 1 Roberts 1 A I do not sir By Mr McPherson Q During what tlmo were you postmas hi t there A 1 think I v vas appointed In 1VJ2 and I think 1 gave It up In 1ZII I or somewhere along there Tho dates have slipped my memory and T could nol toil exactly I By Mr m Morris Q Ls there I any general reputation In your community as to the habits and status of Mr Roberts and these two women Louisa Smith Roberls and Cella Dlbblo Roberts as to thou being his wives or otherwise A5 The general rcpu Intlon Q 1 Is theio > any such general I repute in the community A Yes sir I Q What Is It A And their general standing Is I this that I Cella Dibble Rohers Is I recognized by the entire community as I B II Robertss seond wife She Is I dealt with In all the societies In the Mormon church as B IL Roberts second wife Q IIov I aboul lie oiher one Louisa Smith Roberts A She Is I lie llrst wIfe and she Is recognized both of th < l1lanti Mrs ivlin Dibbh Roberts has got good slandliir in society Q I didnt ask you anything about the oclei > Vhat 1 want to know Is I about tho community she lives In A That Is 1 whnt I mean In the community all rw Sheet her and she is 1 treated In Mocluty wherever Mho goes ml H II Robi > rlss second sec-ond wife Q And the other on > as B TL Robertas Ilmi wife A Yes sir My Mr MePheion < J iJy second wlfo you mean plural I wife A Yet fir his plural wife By Mr Robert Q I wish to ask tho wllnoj If while Iho I peoide may hnvo recognized Mrs Ce llu Dibble Roberls In time capacity she has been described whether he knows orB or-B II Roberts doing It 7 A Yon certainly recognized her liS your wifo at the tlmo of the funeral when you blood with tho mourners Q WHS there any further recognition al that lime I I limn I lh fact lhal I attended attend-ed tin m funeral of her eldest daughter A Only In the funeral the bishop condoled Mill Mr and Mr B II I Roberts III the lops of their dnughlcr Q And that daughter was how old 7 A I could not sayS say-S Q You say II or 12 years old A I know I she mien have been that old oml slu might havo been older j By Mr Morris Q Do I understand that the address Was dellverad publicly A Yes sir Q And you heard 1t1 A Yea sir I By Mr Llttlelleld Q And It was delivered In Mr Rob ortsx presence A Yes sir I By Mr Landis I Q Did you over know of Dr Margaret I 1 btilpp Roberts A I have seen her butt I but-t ont know anything about horI hor-I CQ You dont Know of her visiting at I pnterII1 A I have seen hor nt Len I tervIhle She was present there the dayS day-S of tho funoral I think Q lou I her at tho funeral A I i i think ho Bonded tho funeral l QDo you know how she came there A Zbn air i do not > ii Q Yon do not know whether she come ihero with B If Roberts or not A No l By Mr Roberts TiP0 you kIio w sho was there A I w S d nor bo JPo tlvp but 1 think she By Mr LandlH Q And von have xwn her In Cenlcr r HIe A i havo seen her In Ccntorvllle 1 Continued I on puco 71 IIERTS9S POSOTON Continued from page 5 or at least LID woman thai was pointed out to mi > ns Mr Magglo Shlpp By Mr Lltllclleld Q Do you know whether thero Is t any Tcord of the marrlngo of Celia Olbblo to B II Roberts A 1 do not Q What IH Iho fact about tho record > f marriages out there A Tho recorTi if I tho second marriages aro kept In tho Temple By Mr Schroeder Q There Is no public record made of them Is thoroV A Not that 1 know of By Mr Lllllpflold Q That Is subject lo the church or ranlzntlon I suppose A Them Ig 1 no record out ldo of the church organisa tion T dont think Bv Mr Schroeder Q There Is no public record required bylaw by-law as to theplural marriages A No By Mr Lanham Q How about the first marriage A I guess there Is a record of that Q A public record A Yes Thero hns to ho now there probably dldn t have to j be at the Tlmo ho was married By Mr RoberUs Q Do you know that thn records of tho second marriages aro kept In the Temple Tem-ple A I dont know because 1 have not upon thero for a good many ytnrs Q When were you there last when wore you In 1 the Temple IaM A In lf C I I Q Do you mean the present Temple ANo Q And that was the custom then AYes A-Yes Q You do not know l that that Is tho custom cus-tom now A No sir Q You do not know anything about tho records of marriages A Not now I do not By Mr LittleHeld Q Can you stnto to the committee what Mr Robertas business Imn been during ho lat eight or ton years A Ho has generally been In tho employment of ilia church Q In vhat capacity A Well ns a < Teacher and assistant hi Ihc Sunday ehooK and flit a writer That Is as far r is I know i By Mr RobertsOn Q Roberts-On that r would like toask has not dr Roberts general occupation been tout of newspaper work and literature generally A I brllevo It hns Q Is It not r fact that tho Mormon liurch does not pay HB ministers a sal ulry A Those of the rank nnd Illo I do not think they do but those In higher Vlllre they pay a regular Kalarv Q Is not Roberts in the rank and file A I fhlrk not Q Do you know that ho unit been paid any salary nt all A 1 do not know only by heanwiy Q But IK It not true that ho has clivoJecl hl tIme to literary work either on the 7 Salt Lako Herald or as editor of the Improvement Im-provement Era A Well at tin time iyou were called down In that campaign I by thin pnwMR lint bo It way fiirrtntly reported from headquarters that you worn receiving a halnrv of flf a month from tlu church and that t In j one of the reasons that thy called you down Q But was It not denied in the papers nt tho limo that Robrrts VIIS receiving nny remuneration for what church work ho did A 1 do not recollect Q Did not Robert over his own sipna i lure say thai A Ho might and 1 might fc not Imvo seen It jr By Mr Morris f Q Whore has Mr Roberts boon living 1 during this time A His homo Is In Cen torvllle His I place of business Is In Salt r Lakc City < By Mr Roberts t Q Didnt he have an office there nnd rniKugf in lllernry work thereIn Salt Lake City A Yes sir I think so I By Mr Morrls f Q What do you mean by his homo be Ing In Centorvllle Where does he make his home A lie makes his homo mostly < with his first wife Y Q Louisa Strilth Roberts A Louisa f Smith Roberta 1 By Mr Roberts Q Do you know of his making his homo anywhere olse A Yoi have visited the other home frequently and that home Is ft recognized by the people of Centervliic f ff yoniH and thebishop says that he sends a part of the tithing up there to Z that place to pay you for your service Q As a matter of fart did tho bishop b ever send nny tithing there A I rlonL know I only sny what Is reported from I tim bishop L A DASTARDLY QUESTION i Tho astonishment of members of the committee and others present when I Roberts In his crossexamination Inquired I In-quired I wish to ask the witness If while the pooplc may have recognized Mrs Telia Dibble Roberts in the capacIty capac-Ity sj has boon described whether he knowa of B H Roberts doing II If ho does nol he rhoulrl do so remarked re-marked a member of the committee In an undertone It Is certainly not to his credit hit he does not do so remarked re-marked another gentleman present k THE TWINS f Chairman Taylor took a hand In the examination of Ray F Brandon son of Judge Brandon when the subject of the twins came up The chairman evidently proceeding on the theory that children and fools toll the truth went nftor the small boy of the family Mr Taylor evidently thought if there was a small hoy brother to the twins he would know something about them Jle nsked j cj By thlD Chairman Q Is thoro a boy In that family A y o sir yc Q How I old Is i ho A I Hhoiild judge ruium 10 YOUTH possibly II J I years old Q Yon know him do yon A Yes sir O Did you jipo him about Iho I time I tho twin worn born A YPH sir r saw him R tlttlo afur that and beforo alho Q Uns anything said by him about the twin > < lng born A Yep sir Q What did ho say about H A VeIl wr weiv tnlklnc In u crowd there about the wind and ho said they I iv re born iimj they nro asking him what kind of Hilldrcn thoy were and he suld they wore Iris Q Did you over hear any of the chll dren of Louisa Robertas family speak of I ho ohlldron of Colla Dibble Roberts family A I hoard thr t young man Bonnv onco That Is all I remember Q How did hn speak of them I mean what relationship If I nny was Indicated by Ills InnginiKC A Me I did not Indicate any relatlon hli atthat time I Q You hoard no talk by lie children of the two families ivspertlng each oilier ns to their h lng sister or brothers or nny tnldg of that kind A 1 havo heard them cnll Cnlla Roberts aunt that Is all 4 NOT PROUD OF THEM Mr Rnborts evidently Is not proud of tlio fain that bo Is the father of twin and evidently he thought to raise a doubt In the minds of the members 1 of thin committee by the questions bo propounded to this witness young Brandon on crosacxamlnallon He Inquired In-quired T Q DM you oVor go to ibo homo of Celia DIbblo RolwrtsV A No sir Q Wfio you ever nt tho home of Louisa iobwriH A Ye sir Q ire you prosont at Conlcrvlllo at the time of the birth ot the children re ferred to A Yof sir y You havo no personal knowledge In relation to thoyu faot Imvo you that 1 nn to the children being the children of I H Roberts A No sir only what has CL < > n told mo r Q It Is l murvly repute Is it nol A Yc lr lrQ Neighborhood talk to that effect AYe A-Ye sir SCATHING COMMENT What will Cella say when she reads that asked one of the newspaper men I doni know sold the gentleman to whom the question was addressed Were It my cane J am sure I would never know what my wife had to sny because I would never go home to find out HOSTILE CONCLUSIONS It U from such evidence as the fore cplns that the pcoplu of the East arc forming their opinions of conditions in Utah Some gentlemen were discussing Hie case one afternoon In the lobby of the House when one of them Bald Of course Roberta enu never become a member of Congress It la simply a nuciition nlmll polygamy be recognized uy Congrtw It m not a queHon strIctly strIct-ly speaking of bin moral character Ho roprpnenU a principle n rellslotiH doctrine if you pleaae which If put Into general practice would revolutionize revolution-ize tide Government bccau It affects time home the foundation of tht Government Gov-ernment It Is I not a moral proposition which we can shrug our shoulderx and ulnk al w e muat meet It squarely and say y or no When I remember my dear old mother and my own borne and measure In my mind the condItions in those lioini H uud juiivgnmy prevailed thovc t bd > Nul ith a steal big N Polygamy may have been right In the past which I doubt It may prevail in the future which 1 dont believe but one thing Is certain the people whose opinions govern hi such mutters as this In the United States have said No and the people rule |