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Show Page 4 : The UTAH, INDEPENDENT The Paper That Dares To Take i A October 6, 1972 Schmitz Says GenI. Lavell acted in 5 kind isolationist. Is this true? U.S. Best Interest would call it If you want to call it isolationist, its a semantic difference, I suppose. Might it sound like I am g if I say that George Washington and I feel that we should stay out of foreign entangling alliances. You see, Schmitz: Well, I anti-internationalis- m. principles over party. the dispossessed Americans majority type who are a little tired of carrying the whole load, as opposed to those on the top Kaplow: Do you find yourself a little alone out there among Conservatives? foundations, sock their money into them and use the tax-fre- e foundation as political leverage to Continued from Page 1 party over principles, not who take take more money away from the middle class or those at the dont know. has Ashbrook Congressman John been saying many things that I Schmitz: Oh, I bottom who find that the difference between working and not working isnt worth working for. And that group in the middle is mighty tired. They are blue collar workers, they are white collar workers. Ill give you an who are example of our donating to the American Party have been saying. Phyliss Schaffley has been saying the same things I have been saying. But, you know, it does get a little lonesome when you run out of the' trenches when the battle starts and you say, Come on Gang, lets get them and you look around and the gang is still in the trenches. campaign.is Our largest what do you Schmitz: What do you mean this isnt ethical? He is only a minor killer. After all, Mr. Nixon has been endorsed by Peking which killed 65 million of their own people. Sherwood: 1 think you changed the subject. Herb asked, how do you ally McGovern with the Manson family? Is it because some of his supporters are young people are learning that government big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take everything youve got. The next biggest contributer is $5,000 from a lumber man and $4,000, the. next largest from a physician who sees us headed into socialized medicine. You know, Richard Nixon, undet four years of a moderate conservative administration, has so-call- ed faster tahn anyone that I have seen in my lifetime. He has run up 14 of the entire national debt. As one liberal editorialist put it, Richard Nixon, if he has done nothing else, has destroyed the Schmitz: It has been reported that the Manson family, endorses George McGovern. You know, my mother used to tell me, You can tell a person by their friends. the contribution $6,000 from a North Dakota farmer who feels that government subisidies arent worth government control. You see, he has learned what a lot of totalitarianized this country and have long hair? Republican Party as a conservative entity. He has found that all hes got to do is to keep a couple of big name conservatives in his tent and he can move as far left as he wants. What difference does Kaplow: Manson Well, hes keeping few a big names in his tent. quite Schmitz: I was just referring to the fact that back in 1964 people were criticizing Barry Goldwater because he was endorsed by the Ku Klux Klan so I thought we would turn it on to you liberals a little bit. Schmitz: Thats right. And theyve got to answer for it, Herb, not me. I have a very clear so-call- ed Kaplow: endorsement mean? Sherwood: Who are you endorsed by? Schmitz: I l4th Kaplow: Well, go to the question of the trips of President Nixon to China and Moscow . . . Schmitz: Yes, theyre peace trips. Kaplow: Well, you say, how do the conservatives justify it? I think Governer Reagan and others have said, This is the man that can be trusted not to sell out to Peking. and Moscow. You obviously dont buy that? fat-ca- ts Kaplow: Mr. Schmitz, this claim of yours that McGovern is backed by Hanoi and the Manson family. That reference to Manson, does that raise a certain ethical question there mean by that? their tax free administration running up of the entire national debt? am endorsed by that great middle ground of conscience. Its Richard Nixon who has these people behind him and theyve got to answer for the fact that they are now pointing with pride to that which they used to view with alarm when it was done by the other side. How can Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan justify this so-call- ed moderate conservative prepared for war. Im doing more by being a Lieut. Colonel in the Marine Corps Reserve, having served 8 years active duty and now in my 21st year total, Im doing more by being a Marine Reservist, by keeping the strength of this country than Richard Nixon is in signing the SALT agreement because there is virtually no historical precedent for treaties leading to peace. As a matter of fact, theryis a recent by Lawrence Bealenson called The Treaty Trap. He takes 300 years of world history and shows that the exact nations and times that relied on treaties instead of peace Schmitz: Obviously I dont. You know what the Nixon family motto is? Its Be sincere whether you mean it or not. Now, he didnt get the name of Tricky Dick for nothing. Hes the best Pavlovian psychologist in the world. You know what Pavlovian psychology is they ring the bell, the food is there and the saliva flows for the food and after the saliva flows for the bell even when the food isnt there. Richard Nixon is a Pavlovian psychologist. He has been ringing a moderate conservative bell but theres only totalitarian food there. Hes the best living example of the old adage If you get the reputation of being an early riser, you can sleep until 11:00. through strength were the exact nations and times most apt to get Sherwood: Well, hes talking doing is that weve been about working international diplomacy and that of course is part of being the United States of America, the President. You have to work in a world, not just in a country. Schmitz: You know, I may be but I kind of like to go back to the map once in awhile to see where we are going in the future. When we go to the map laid out that our founding-father- s for us we find John Jay, thats one of our first diplomats, saying, I wouldnt give a farthing for parchment security. They last only as long as either side is willing to tear them up. He was referring to paper treaties. This old-fashion- ed SALT agreement, or these treaties going off to enemies and using treaties as a substitution for strength. Geoige Washington said something to the effect that the surest road to peace is to let it be known that you are always war. When you. seek ... the best books, that is QUALITY! Our goal to supply a discriminating clientele with books of high quality. is Quality Bookstore X X 71 West 3rd South Salt Lake City, Utah 84101 363-773- 5 Alpine Specialty Foods Specializing in HERBS VITAMINS Professional Counselling 7793 So. State Midvale, Utah 255-626- 6 tyrants traditionally have and used . . . (static) historically foreign entanglements to keep the peoples, minds off of domestic problems and the fact that they are totalitarianizing at home. And its happening here. You know, Im a member of a real minority group;, a form conservative college instructor and I. used to teach History. Thats one of the historical facts, that tyrants use foreign affairs to get their the peoples minds off of domestic problems and Kaplow: Are you saying that, President Kissenger, or which anybody? ever one is . . . You know, hes going to make a secret trip to the United States one of these days. Schmitz: History shows that if you rely on those negotiations, paper treaties, that is a false Sherwood: Lets get on a little bit with the issues. What are the important issues we are facing wouldnt try to negotiate anything with in effect, you substitute for true peace. You today then? have peace when an aggressive Schmitz: Well, in the war in SE enemy knows that when they come at you they are going to get Asia there is the immoral clobbered, and you have war situation not of aiding our allies when an aggressive enemy knows but furnishing the sinews of the that when they come at you they Continued on Page 5 are going to win. The negotiation isnt going to do any harm unless you rely on it. What we have been reordering priorities, Herb, and in the last 15 years (static) while that euphemism for socialism, human resources development, has gone from 20 to 40. People out there in your audience John Schmitz to Campaign in Idaho Falls are out of work because of this reordering of priorities. If the social workers are not out of work, if they arc in defense, they are out of work. Do you know Presidential candidate John G. Schmitz will campaign in Idaho Falls on October 11. He will arrive from Boise, Idaho at the Idaho Falls airport. at 4 p.m. what the third largest cut of pie Congressman Schmitz will be the is? It is interest on the national guest speaker at a 6 p.m. dinner at debt. You know, when our 7th the Westbank Restaurant and will baby was born I rushed up to that speak at a rally in the Bonneville window where the babies are on High School Auditorium at 8 display and up in the corner was a p.m. He will leave for Billings, little sign. The sign asked the Montana following the evening question, Why does a new born rally. Ron Pedersen, chariman of the baby cry? Then it answered the question, Because he is naked, Schmitz-Anderso- n campaign he's hungry, and he already owes (American Party) for the Idaho the government $5,800. 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