Show r nf rT rr ftc n i i THAT INTERVIEW tho deseret aws of saturday evening publishes an extended interview between john tuy lor and col J II ollister on tho subject of tho cormons mormons Mor mons attitude in regard to alio llio recent supreme court decision the clonel expected to accomplish anoro than was ever arrived at before judging by the tone of his and questions and expected to astonish the world by his unexpected imd demoralizing onslaught upon alio llio leaders of the mormon church bill ho was disappointed iery question propounded was answered hi a becoming manner and with a of courtesy and liberality such as alio interviewer was doubtless unprepared for the discussion for it assumed more tho aspect of a discussion than in interview ter view took a very broad coic considerable mutter apart from the objects of tho encounter having been engaged in but everything that baid having dioro or lesa to every body in utah mr hollister ascertained among other things that the cormons mormons Mor mons lieve not forgotten even if they have forgiven alio outrages perpetrated against them in ohio illinois and missouri that they have not and do not to abandon the practice of polygamy notwithstanding alio hostility and bigotry of the world that they do not look for the friendship of mankind but babo their faith upon alio llio support and guidance of a superior power that they do not look upon themselves as kofl andera except so far aa they have been mado so by the unjust action of congress recently upheld by tho supreme court and finally that having endured all bilings for alio sake of their religion they are not now willing to forego any portion of it because of alie frowns and caprice of dissenters at home or abroad r r after somo preliminary matters said I regard eliat a religious anith amounts to nothing unless wo aro permitted to carry it intoci act con iriss and alie court are car lying out alie tamo principles that were practiced practised in the persecutions huguenots Huguen in francette Franc ethe and in piedmont the nonconformists yon in england and others alio have bean per on account of their religion allot those people had alie right in heir respective governments any oliero and everywhere to entertain their religious beliefs but it was ii aati ing them that mide it ost and I look upon this in lie same way article I of alie amendments to the constitution states that congress shall miiko no law respect ng an establishment of religion or prohibiting alie free thereof they will allow us to think what an unspeakable privilege that is but they will not allow us the hoo of eliat faith which the constitution guarantees here it the nj and the manifest breach of aali in answer to the question by mr whether it is true hat marriage is is society hat poof it ihring tle acial relas eions obligations and duties with which must noces eardly concern themselves and whether or not it is within lio legitimate scope of alie power of every civil government to determine whether marriage polygamous or mo nogo under its dominion taylor said I consider that alien the ion of alie united states was and adopted those high contracting parties did positively agree hat aliey would not with religious affairs now if our marital relations are not religious chatis this ordinance of marriage was a direct lation to in through joseph smith lit prophet which wo as a people in roper you to my testimony given not long ago in a united states cobit and will tell you now as I there mated under oath eliat haw that god has given this to us for our guidance in clicc e you may not know it but I know anat this is a revelation from asod and ri command to his people I do not that the court of the united states nor of the united state has any to interfere with religious views and in doing it they are violating their most eacret obligations after mr had stated liis ideas of theology prest taylor asko I him if ho was tho bible to which the colonel that ho believed in eliat portion of it which his reason approved of prest taylor then added that it would bo useless to discuss alio subject but feair as wo are talking for tho benefit of alie public I will tato that I bc liova in tho bible and believing in it f believe in those principle therein ret forth led the colonel to ask if every duty and calling in lifo could bo usurped by alio church what place would there bo left for aliis query was very cleverly answered by mr penro c who was present saying the function of tho should be averted when onen religion interfered with lie righta and liberties of others to altia we feel diapered to add a few suggestions of our own there is a very circle of in ev cry community ahoo peculiar uro like unto theio of col II ollister ami which lead to regard with special any branch or feature 01 social life looking to an beyond lie nc sent or any other power than blut on loot ly man aliis censa leavo tho camo right to their bat leavo to theirs they aro to the bame protection that others are entitled to and their belief whilo utterly to that of the peat p eat majority of humanity lo 10 it is for alib among other blat aro in aanon nian not that any particular creed or all alia creeda combined may crush out or sa lievers but aliat all may lia shielded aliko tho state is not or for tho purpose of enabling alio church to bacomo despotic or the opponents of tho church to liline I likewise neither i it to allo ona or thy other to be CLAO tte Us calling Is 1110 g of a proper equilibrium which shielding both from oppression anath eos of enemies gauged the with such impartiality that neither banera by tho presence of tho other thus it will be observed tho state has a very wide field of labor even when tho church is permitted to prescribe its own regulations and practices taylor then asked whose lights acro with by tho cormons mormons Mor mons to which col replied that iio con they in with mani aid childrens rights which lad to the following reply and rejoinder mr T nov can we interfere with men s rights or comans womans rights if all enter into it voluntarily ahe man is not injured by it for ho assumes and knowingly alio responsibilities eliat lie voluntarily into the rights tiro not for lier notions aro ns tho mans voluntary and she understands the nature of io covenant ns well as the responsibility sh ami mr II 11 think if interferes with the rights of men and women because when n man marries a second woman some other man must do without any travelers such as liv and arth tell us eliat the slave arido in africa has beeh supported for ages by the domand for plural wives or concubines in polygamous asia you believe that sni will bo universally ver sally received but polygamy cannot become rail because alio sexes are born in about equal num bern giov can not of applicability bo c lly sound or sound in any alio discussion was further conducted with interruptions as follows mr T I do not think it necessary to enter into a discussion on cheso points speak of facts and conc I do not think they can bo successfully ed and furt liermore Iier more we regard alio plural order ot marriage M being voluntary the part of tho min and alio bomin if there should bo any disparity as you refer to if there should not be two wives for one man why then lie could not get hem mr U Is it not a trespass on the rights of others chobo of men be carifo when a man marries two wo somo other man must do without any thoo of women because they aitio each entitled to ft husband and because alio essence of canjuga love is exclusiveness thoe of clail dren because they that rare aiom a poly gamie they ought to and do have from a nion father mr T you propose to interview me in relation to this matter and on the other liand I propose to inter you you give me credit for my good fabilli I give you credit for your you aro ft united states officer and I am a believer in alio united states government I have taken tho catli of to alie united states government not being american born and I alway admired its institutions and I have been very desirous to see alio pi and carrying out of these principles of our government I have boon anxious to foo public affairs in nn honorable intelligent correct philosophic os patriotic and statesmanlike form in all ti lings these lp resume they iro yudis would tho eov take a courso that would bo calculated to promote union bonfi danco and fellowship among all I am not ono of elioso eliat jacl like damning hoso thit do not believe as I do I feliceo that god i the father of all md I this government was instituted by god for certain trin purposes in the interests of ity and I wi ili to bilings conducted in that manner that will tend to promote tho hap and well being of all grades ind classes irrespective of creed I know in fait wo are rais lood in many boac people think wo aro enemies to this government I can truthfully say I never was an enemy to the government neither have a feeling of enmity in my heart I do not think for one moment clial outlier joseph smith or ghim young was tin enemy to the government neither I that any of our leading men comprehending correct prin ever feel inimical to the government of the united state jo it rev elation could ho help that if tho lord saoko to him ho to blame I believe eliat revelation you do not eliat is all light gnp is baptist ay another athia in livic lual business not cinci look it that wo anro all having a per feet right to mercy and ivull freedom of notion without distinction awl would be to o correct in tho united and spread throughout that is my political faith mr in to alie question cau religious belief in our opinion be accepted by siny government as justification fi of an act it lias by law made criminal its functions as a government preat taylor replied well cliot bould bo a qu cation nd knitting of a great deal of argument depending altogether upon circuit out in tho ficht place a constitution guaranteeing to all men freedom in regard to their religious right and then violates eliat constitution ho government then becomes tho traus gr breor eor not an interesting colloquy then ensued which to rum mario would bo to mar ao wo give it in full mr T do you believe that tho constitution if binding con grasi and upon tho court ann yei fir mr T then although I cm eor ry to say it yot I that both of branches of tho government leavo violated thih most acied obligations to eliut in mr hcan H can your longer entertain a expectation of or modifying american aco ply on allm subie ct mr T unless aliey go back to birdt principled wo cannot wo can atut very little liopo anle they fcc ot tho constitution and donot tamper with unit gafred vo venant arll if nothan you expect asa to e polygamy indefinitely hedging it about with cc recy and judicially ovado or deny it mr T in relation iff our U S judiciary as well aa all the of government are in the hauda of oud und v and ebule alie ue mr II 11 viewed socially or philo sar t aiu ajl do you regard poly gamy as worthy of perpetuation at the cost of perpetual antagonism bo your people and their countrymen mr T wo may respect abo government and its institutions I say wo are not thop arlies who produce this aniag prism it ia men who place them helves in antagonism to the constitution ot the united stales wo are governed by alio law of god which what in violation of that tion our given in august 1831 specifically states eliat tho laws of god wo need not break tho laws of the land congress has since by placed w in nisia to what wo term an unconstitutional law and it now u question whether we doboy god or man mr II 11 but in taking that tion do you not set yourselves up a the judge of tho constitution whereas alio laws sec 11 S kiako tho supreme court tho judge af alie constitutionality of alio lawa tl mr T without any interpretations from the supreme court atako it that the words t are explicit on this point requiring no interpretation terp und any interpretation could not make them plainer we take them to mean what they say when alio constitution bays shall make no law respecting nn establishment of religion or prohibiting tho free exer ciao th croot wo take it to mean aliat alio dic dicksion then aasum osan in terest mg phase for tho interviewer auti puti tho question direct to tho interviewed as to whether he regards polygamy as superior to monogamy if so wherein and why receiving from prest taylor the following lengthy but logi caland invincible reply I consider it altogether superior to the law a great many particulars first I baskit upon the will and command of god both in ancient and modern I bue it upon alic natural results of tharo is in all mono gamio countries the united states not excepted a terrible terri blo state of things arising from alio practice of monogamy infanticide and foeticide foet icide prevailing to nn alarming extent statements anro on record of reliable men such a statesmen and others to the effect that they feared that in consequence of such practices the original stock of people in certain districts would run out it is said eliat they arrange lie size of their families to suit ahem salve sc lve generally calculating to have about two children aad the rest must bo killed cither before they come into the world or after ward making murderers and murderesses murde of all who engage ni it their hands in the blood of innocence and taking the lives of those whom god committed to their cire and it austbo admitted that whore doms and practices aro veto good or civilized society and contrary to the laws of earo carried on extensively ten and that people aro doing dorfo things according o their own admissions associated with monogamy than wo are even charged with and that while thoe things are sanctioned and protected to ft certain extent by government at least winked at all those highly moral and religious principles ordained of god by which men ought to bo actuated are trampled under foot A man ni arrie a wife hu docs not to be truo to her but there in united polygamy it offspring monogamy does not how many arc there now in washington new york chicago philadelphia and cities that make it a practice to with other women to whom children are of their adultery whom they do not acknowledge but who aro turned out upon lie to become caifa in alio eliapo of street sweep er etc outcasts and pariahs of society augmenting tho criminal classes and the paup erx leaving other people to provide for alx ir illicit oll pring and it is not an tiling for bubli while engaged weeping ho crossings to ask their own father or a penny alie child not knowing alio father nor the ithoc the child after much oilier discussion of a ike character alio colonel announced that lie desired to to the indof questions and ns ceita ined by his queries taftt the cormons mormons Mor mons regard polygamy as ari institution tf tho almighty not of nan eliat ft was given to joseph revelation that it is for as ia tun that it in not o great a thial biml th rials or aro produce il by are to some etna en barged in polygamy that the rove L on celestial marriage tho product imagination agi nation but n direct covenant from the almighty which aro not at liberty to abridge or forego bat there is not it growing distaste toil dinong alio younger members or tho Church but t better understanding in relation thereto prevails which makes tho belief among eliat class more widespread wide spread that tho fact ot taylar not having taken a among other lie wn well on in years that we have but little faith in the integrity of a court members decide political que in accordance political bia i is yens the ewo alio electoral swindled kim acl out of the presidency that though choie judges canno g to up their bias they call upon us to giva up our loua buis eliat tl a monarchy lias out the practice ofilio in india afon cited ia a corresponding oil anso to polygamy it hotd protected alie latter practice by law nud our republic could 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