Show I P D 0 D DEPARTMENT T TU U UNDER R nl DISCUSSION U SIO i T i I t Mr 11 f Heath Comes In for a Very Large Share of Senators Attention l J f AN INVESTIGATION IS WANTED Y I Senator lodge Lo gc Says That Congressional Ones for lor Discovery of Crime Come Arc ArcI I Worthless Worth tess I 1 h Washington Jan 6 Alleged Irregularities In the department constituted the only theme In n Iho sen senate senate ate aLe today The Th question cams came up on it a motion lint first made by Mr Lodge and afterward by Mr Penrose to refer reCer the Carmack resolution looking to n a I sena tonal investigation of oC the de do department to tho the committee on post pool offices and post poet roads The Tho Democratic senators resisted the Iho motion find and con contended cont contended tended t that the tho country would not lIoL be bo satisfied with an Investigation In of oC a IL do lIo made by tho the department It Itself self Tho no debate continued for tor almost two and a n halt half hours hour and was wall extreme extremely ly spirited from Crom start starL to finish Further consideration of oC the tho subject was wall de Ic deferred erred Cerr d until Friday When the senate met today todar Mr tr Mor Bans Kans nl resolution declaring that the president has hM no power to declare de lare war was AS read r ad but nt at the request rOQuet of oC Sir Mr Morgan It Il went ent over for tor tho the day clay du Tho of ot Mr cl dl tho the postmaster general to send to the the tho papers connected with lIh tIe the department and providing for far n it 1 senatorial Investigation was wall taken up lip nail Mr Todge Bodge moved Its reference to tho the com coil millee on Oil Mr earmark Carmack resisted this motion de declaring daring claring that If It departmental Irregularities ties tiel were wera to be bo Investigated only by hy bythe hythe bythe the departments department It would not be long until they ther the would bo ho n R stench In the tho nostrils no of ot the tho people The Tho only safeguard was W 8 In congressional al of investigation he sold wid 1 TUB THE III BRISTOW BRISTOL REPORT n Mr Ir Hay flay IR expressed surprise e that there th re should he be opposition to the ie rello ieso o and ond ho called railed attention to n tho the declarations by hy Fourth Assistant Post Poat Postmaster III t master General Bristow and Counselors Honar arte and Conrad that tho the llnA Ration should be carried Carrll t further 10 done rd that the tho Bristow report dein dem on tho absolute guilt tul of the late lato first postmaster general Mi Mr i Heath He Ito Bristow pays nays himself this leading high was n guilty mud 1 tho the proof overwhelming If J this IM Is true trill Mr fr Heath Reath should here have been Indicted j J l will do Mr the credit to say PAY r that his report shows that the tho of oC the lo department originated or In Heaths It f en so n he ho must have haver had 11 cognizance of ot them then Then why should the subordinates In that be Indicted and tho the principal bo ul nl 1 lowed to escape Mr Clay Cia quoted extracts tram from tho It report to substantiate his nr n I I OF OJ I lr Jr he said Mid this tills report speaks the tho truth Perry H Heath originated all 1111 tho the f frauds iu ls In III the thc o ke If It he continued conti nucci the report Is not lIot correct the facts be bl Known arid aM Mr heath neath vindicated If it the tho charges e nr well Tell founded Mr Heath bo indicted and punished L any AH All for tor himself he did 1 hI not want to 10 do Ill on Injustice t r to Mr Ir Heath nth or 01 any oth ers rl and an for ter or this reason ho desired the tho Reference also alRo Will was made malle to tho the ne no with whit D S H nn eon con the Indicator which Mr Str lay Iny said sold there were w ro many sut sus features pointing to Mr Heath W JIlT lAHTY OP OF ALL AlII Mr r Clay Cia declared his lili conviction from n II thorough rending leading of ot tho the re cc pure port that Mr hud had been sails nulls lied tied beyond u n doubt that thai the guiltiest party of oC nil was tho retired t us atal rab yet ire postmaster general t yot ot hu ht hUll hud thud never been Indicted or In li the Interest of ot fair tuh play In the tho Interest of oC Justice Ju III In tho the Interest of oC Bo government and and clean annuals he ho said there thoro should by bi Jp an 1111 inquiry und and I nm tun surprised that my III tho the senator lena tor from rom Massachusetts 4 io Lodge should Mr air day Clay Cia also 0 declared that I the thu pros pres Mont dent reflected upon Heath and desired the of p Mr SIc Heath from Crom the ship of oC the t I Mr rr Penrose chairman of ot tho the com coin on and post roads road expressed his hili wish willi that there thero should bo be O in an Investigation but added that In ns as there hero WitH was ns to the tho lie ho preferred to have havo the entire question referred to the tho com on l pledging himself to call an nil early meeting moet 1 for tor the pur pose Jiosa of oC taking the tho question up f TAKES A HAND Mr Teller fell r said laid that If It for tor no other than that charges were mado against senators tors and Ind members of o tho the house of ot an nn Imes should be made letter Later he ho spoke of ot tho the newspaper reports that a I lease of oC n a building was wan wn owned by b rt n I United States Slates senator and also quoted the tho press preen reports saying that tho department had ex i that the tho lease KHio In thus this case COHO hind had been made because became tho the senators build log Ing could be secured scouted t at nt a It lower price then than any other That he said Mid In Is h meet astounding When did dm tho post mutter master general or the tha president presIded tar for or that matter gel get the tho right to suspend the th statute forbidding thus this practise Mr Ile h Foraker J Interrupted Mr Ir Teller loller to say Hay that It was van his hili understanding 1 that this the lease of ot the building tinder r consideration lind beer been mado made before tho the property had como come into Inlo the tho possession of t the senator R rho ho now lIaw owns It that the tho senator did dM not know of ot the lensa lenso when hen he ho acquired the tho building nun that he Jle had hM been bC n tr trying to get Rot rid of oC It jt since h he hud had made mado the discovery If It that Is true responded Mr Tel fei ler her the line to which I have havo referred arc nr a gross slander Mr Ir Foraker l admitted the tho correct peas ne of oC this Inference FOR SENATORIAL INQUIRY I Mr Carmack made incite a n general plea for r a senatorial inquiry mid n l quoted i this the newspaper reports Ito to the tho effect I that tho postmaster general had not liCIt i i been hecl in III sympathy with the tho I inquiry t when undertaken I end and that he ho hind pronounced thu tho Tol To folI I loch charges chare to bo be hot airl air l I This Thill statement aroused Mr 1111 11 oho nho ho sold mid that the Iho charge did dill great In 1110 t i It justice jubilee to tl the thc IO general So Ho I or an RH the inquiry wu w us con COli concerned t 2 corned Mr had been hew In III thorough thor I sympathy with It and had placed the entire machinery of or tho the department rl nt lit la the Ilia command of fit II the Ilse who had i i mado n a most remorseless r Inquiry 11 f Ile flying Mi Mr II disclaimed i say any ny intention to charge Mr Payne with l l i complicity In or sympathy with the tho II h III In W his Ills department ills His mis SUs I h l lIi it Ii 11 I was that of ot indifference to the wrong and tho the natural Inference was wal that If of tho the Inquiry had hilt been left to him Julio there would have hoo been none In other words said Mr Spooner the charge Is that ho had no sympathy thy with whit the tho wrong but with the wrongdoers I 1 did not nOl say Bay that responded Mr Ir Carmack Practically commented Mr Spoon Spooner cr er l Nor Nol even practically that link Mr Car CRr Carmack muck mack Insisted Inel ted INVESTIGATIONS Mr Lodge Io go said that congressional In ns conducted for Cor the purpose Q of oC discovering crime ore are pretty worth worthless less legs lie He called attention to 10 the rho con 1011 Into the conduct of ot Mr Machel while ho he was superintendent of ot free Cree delivery Both tho the senate and house ll gated goh 11 ho ald at the thu very ery ver in wasai rey time which time lime In which hue he was lIS Indicted as 18 n a Arc re result sult lIlt of oC the tho department and 1 hath both cleared him of oC the the th charges upon which the lire Inquiry was predicated Mr Ir Carmack explicitly dented denied any In Intention tendon on his part to reflect on the tho postmaster general but hut contended that lilt alt that had been brought out emphasized sized the necessity for lor Investigation Mr 11 sold said ho he wax was willing to have hr nil the tho resolutions culling calling for In III Investigations ll lIons of oC tho the e depart department department ment referred to 10 the committee on and post po t roads rond as liS he ho had ic re from time the chairman that prompt action would bo he taken PURPOSE In this connection however ho lie said eald he wanted to call tall attention to tn the tho fact tact I that all of oC the debate on hl Its hili subject I had but hut emphasized tho the necessity of oC an nn I Investigation of ot the depart department ment Ho lie said saki ho he had no deMro destro lc to In Investigate any particular that ho believed ld the Investigation should bo be much broader thou than that as the Irregularities had crept In by hy degrees and tho the corruption possibly po lad had been beon a I part of oC three or 01 moro more administrations It now lias hlll reached a point Pal 1 he said SHU where men who tire are corrupt themselves have havo din IIII closed clofed the corruption of ot others other My 1 purpose purpose he added la III H not so much to expose 1 this corruption as nB by tho the action of lC Congress In lit making protective lawsto laws lawsto to eliminate tho chance of ot such ouch corruption than tion In la the future In tho the de tic department department SPOONER ASKS QUESTION Mr Spooner asked nAked If IC Mr Jr Gorman would not bo ho willing to supplement that suggestion by calling on Congress for fora forn Co a n thorough Investigation of ot nit nil depart departments departments ments at stated periods an that he would be bo willing but for lOI tho the present he be was vas W II content to deal drill with the question In hand Continuing he hc declared that tho the corruption was WaR not 1101 notH nota H a 1 party matter matte that tho the present post postmaster master general could not have been re roo for lor the stale of oC affairs In his hM department ns as It started before he lie en entered entered upon his hi duties us as tho the head of oC the tha department He Ito declared It lad had been bee beetho tho ho policy polley of oC the tho president to Ignore hU his cabinet ministers In thin matter and I give Ivo tho the credit for tho the exposures In the tha department to M 0 O doriT dorC anti William Allen Mien White While news new newspaper newspaper paper men of oC sagacity The Tho senator expressed a 0 willingness to do dl Justice to the the tho president In this time line of ot trouble In his house household household household hold but said ho he could not noL understand why tho the Republicans In the tho senate lied had persistently refused to give gle to the min olty Information concerning the tho department He Ire declared that tho the de determination termination to Ignore tho time wishes of ot the tha minority had been beon manifest at nt this ses sen shoe don tar for the tho first time since ho he had Lean bean Leann beann n member of ot the he senate Ho lie called at nt attention to the resolutions Introduced by himself Mr Carmack and amt by I Penrose asking for tor tho Bristow reports of tho the po Investigation n anti declared that every overy Ier effort to get Jel thin Information had 1 been beep thwarted by I the Republicans t S DENUNCIATION A severe denunciation of o the charge of ot suppression of oC Information was made by Mr 11 Lodge who said that he was thoroughly tired of oC that old weakened story which had been mado over ocr and andover andover over oer again by hy senators on the other trio aide of or tM thur chamber Ho lIe said It Is quite true truo that tho the Republicans had nearly of the members of ot tho the Ben sen senate ate ale and he ho wanted to Inform the tho other side hie that they the were thoroughly sibin Albl for their conduct of or attaint affairs and that ns IS they the 1110 were responsible they pro proposed proposed posed to 10 conduct their affairs In their own way a Continuing Cont Conn ho lie said Wo We are arc not afraid of oe daylight wo we are arl not afraid of ot tho the senators from fro III Maryland and anti leant IcaRt of oC all we wo are ara not lIot afraid of or that story of oC suppression of oC public Information ARRAIGNS LODGE LODO Mr Teller arraigned Mr Lodge Lohe for forthe forthe or orthe the statement that Rat tho thin Republicans were responsible for tor the government by Allying that ho lie wanted to place his hits ca caveat cis vent veat on the boast toast that tho the Republican caucus would do the business for ter tho the senate Mr denied the tho Re Ito Republicans publicans lied had n caucus Mr Teller said ahl that perhaps It was merely merel that tho the Republicans had hud a 0 lends leader so suave and persuasive lint ho howa was wa able to control the Republican votes vines and ho lie was wn responsible for tor tho Iho solid Holh front offered by Republicans In tho the vote on the lie Cuban bill Mr Ir Spooner wanted to know If It tho the Democrats who whit voted for or the Cuban bill were controlled by h the tho th t Republicans and Mr Ir Teller answered that the Demo Democrats Democrats WHO divided according to I II I 11 1 u III beliefs Mr Spooner said that Republican caucuses do not net bind the Iho consciences of ot senators any more now than they did when Mr Ir Teller was waR a R member amber of or that party Tho Tire duty duly of ot senators Mr 11 Spoon Spooner cr or continued wan to serve tho Iho ho Interests of tho the whole country cOlin try and mid for tor himself ho would not consent to tn hold holt a I sent seat In the tho senate enalo It If ho Ito was to la ho controlled by b others Mr bur feller Toller recalled recoiled that Mr Spooner had Ind cast cot ninny many Independent votes voles but hut ho hI thought that In late bale years yearn aarA there had been n a growing tendency on tho the Hide aIde or of tho to consolidate H HI lie spoke of o tho he duty of senators to net Act In accordance with lIh theIr own tons lion when Mr Burton Hurton interrupted hUn him to 10 rusk If It ho lie had bad reference 1 f to the recent decision of or thin the n for fop party solidity on oil questions he hue fore foro the this senate Mr Mm h Teller replied by b 1111 that tien illy he knew nothing of ot such Hurll n A conclusion I do know this however he M said lillI that while I nut Hat oi on the tho Republican Mile alto of ff this chamber I haver yielded 1 my any personal Judgment to 10 a II majority and I T never expect to do so 10 co so long HH no I nt sit here An agreement lt was to post port I pone POliO further discussion of at tho subject ct Friday sent until I until Friday next and at tho sell sen ate adjourned |